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Why I decided to oppose universal healthcare

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posted on Jun, 16 2017 @ 09:33 AM
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I just can't understand why some people are so terribly opposed to helping other people.

I'm from canada, I don't know a single person who is opposed to our healthcare, everyone has benefited from it from birth (literally if they were born in a hospital).

I probably would have died as a child if we didn't have the system we have.




posted on Jun, 16 2017 @ 10:46 AM
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This drivel is just this guys attempt at making himself feel better for the moral vacuum in his soul. He should be mocked/shunned from society as an example that even social evolution can weed out the rejects.



posted on Jun, 16 2017 @ 10:58 AM
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a reply to: allsee4eye


" People who are genetically good almost never get sick."


.......


"genetically good"


I think..my brain..has exploded. Much science. Way smartical u iz.

R.I.P. 2017



posted on Jun, 16 2017 @ 11:07 AM
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originally posted by: wheresthebody
I just can't understand why some people are so terribly opposed to helping other people.

I'm from canada, I don't know a single person who is opposed to our healthcare, everyone has benefited from it from birth (literally if they were born in a hospital).

I probably would have died as a child if we didn't have the system we have.


How do you know you helped someone? For all you know, your taxes could have gone to funding military operations. In short, paying taxes is not the same as helping others. In fact it's the exact opposite.



posted on Jun, 16 2017 @ 11:10 AM
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Ron Paul makes some good points. But he needs to cut the geezer chord. We are a different society than we were 100 years ago. Old timey conservative rhetoric just doesn't apply to health.

You are either pro life, or you are not. Health insurance would be cheaper if a single payer system existed.

Nobody is going to stop going to the ER for non emergency services unless the resources are there without fear of being rejected by doctors.



posted on Jun, 16 2017 @ 12:50 PM
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originally posted by: allsee4eye
a reply to: seasonal

I'm in Canada and universal healthcare is very bad service. Hours of wait. Slow service. This is because of lack of competition.



Come to America and you will wait hours at the hospital to get treated... And they will rob you blind too. Don't boo-hoo us with your FREE health insurance just because you waited an hour and a half to get your cold treated for free!

Come to America and see what our mess is!
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posted on Jun, 16 2017 @ 12:51 PM
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Typical elitist attitude It's all about me me me me. I'm sure the billionaires have the same attitude in this country. Why should they pay taxes right?

I'm all for making this country a better place everybody not just myself. We have a problem a lot of people think they don't have to contribute anything back into the system which they gained from.

That's the problem with capitalism. People willing to cut anyone's throat that gets in their way as long as it servers their best interest.

In the 1950's the rich payed 50% of their income into taxes.

This entire system made up of greedy people is starting to show. It's everyday in the news.

Let's make America great again but only for those that can afford it.
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posted on Jun, 16 2017 @ 01:32 PM
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originally posted by: allsee4eye
I would accept universal healthcare under 1 condition. The same dollar amount for every person with no discrimination based on need or age or any social factor. Let's say every person pays tax to provide every person with 200 dollars of healthcare annually. The rich will likely not need it and therefore keep it. The poor will likely need it and therefore spend it. The end result is this plan would, to a large extent, not hurt the rich and benefit the poor.

However, people who have certain genetic vulnerabilities like hemophilia would be exempted from this plan because we do not want to interfere with natural selection which naturally weed out those with genetic vulnerabilities in order to keep their numbers low. Due to genetic mutation, people with genetic vulnerabilities are born from people without genetic vulnerabilities all the time, and it would cause problems to save them and increase tax burden over time as their numbers increase in society.

Lastly, I would support free healthcare for the elderly simply because humans have compassion compared to wild animals.


You obviously have a radically different concept of the word 'compassion' to the rest of humanity. You also have absolutely no idea about basic anatomy, physiology or even just medicine as a whole.



posted on Jun, 16 2017 @ 02:02 PM
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Every time I see one of these libertarian "I'm ok, you take care of yourself" responses, I am reminded of just how good I have it and just who deserves to be culled when the herd needs thinning. If you believe for an instant that all your suburban planning and survivalist skills will save you when tshtf then you deserve the medal for stupidity. Helping the mob with their physical ills is in no way harming the gene pool...on the other hand, pissing off 4 billion people who are sick and hurting, possibly starving when you DONT HAVE TOi is really really selfish and dumb. Do you think for an instant that some layabout whose baby girl needs medicine is going to forgive your family, regardless of how many bullets youthrow against him znd his many many many many friends till theyget what they want ? Ignore your fellow huam beings at your peril...keeping your property is one thing, denying some poor sucker's baby daughter medicine is quite another. I think you might be surprised at the different response.



posted on Jun, 16 2017 @ 02:07 PM
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I can't even begin to imagine if some of you happen to become a part of that "no insurance and can't afford anything to save your life" group how you'd feel without access to the tools/resources to keep you healthy.



posted on Jun, 16 2017 @ 03:10 PM
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a reply to: allsee4eye

I understand your point, and I agree with you to a small extent. But however, just because your are "genetically" healthy, doesn't mean you will never incur injury, be it small or large or even life threatening. Perhaps you are genetically disposed to shake the hand of some adult onset disease? Then would you change your tune at all?

The biggest reason that healthcare is as big an issue as it is currently, is that the healthcare system itself was abused by lawsuits and attorneys over the years. If we were to tune up our legal system, perhaps we could get the medical system under control...but until then the costs are just astronomical.



posted on Jun, 16 2017 @ 03:11 PM
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a reply to: allsee4eye
My dad sounded like you--healthy, only went to the doctor very little, etc.--and he was also uninsured.

And then, WHAM! He was in the hospital and having emergency hernia surgery, something that could have been caught and treated earlier had he had regular checkups. After the surgery he ended up with a staph infection, which led to a longer stay. The bill was staggering for my family, and the medical debt was overwhelming.

He wasn't able to pay the bill. Instead, he had to declare himself flat broke (we were) and declare our family indigent so we could get some assistance. If he had the choice, he would have worked and paid for this health insurance. He was a proud man. He didn't want to be considered indigent, but that was the only way to put a stop to the bill collectors and threats. But as a laborer, he didn't have the choice of employer provided health insurance. The insurance market wouldn't take him when he did try to get covered on his own. This is in the late 80s.

The man built our family home with his own hands, and was on the brink of losing it for one surgery. That's why I am passionate about universal healthcare. No one--not one American--should worry about losing everything because of an accident, genetics, or any other health-care related thing that can happen. It's something that we can solve as a society, and we were put on a path to fix our system under Obamacare.



posted on Jun, 16 2017 @ 03:15 PM
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a reply to: kef33890

With insurance, it still takes months for me to get an appointment with a specialist. The U.S. isn't that special when it comes to how long you wait for care.



posted on Jun, 16 2017 @ 03:21 PM
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originally posted by: icanteven
a reply to: allsee4eye
My dad sounded like you--healthy, only went to the doctor very little, etc.--and he was also uninsured.

And then, WHAM! He was in the hospital and having emergency hernia surgery, something that could have been caught and treated earlier had he had regular checkups. After the surgery he ended up with a staph infection, which led to a longer stay. The bill was staggering for my family, and the medical debt was overwhelming.

He wasn't able to pay the bill. Instead, he had to declare himself flat broke (we were) and declare our family indigent so we could get some assistance. If he had the choice, he would have worked and paid for this health insurance. He was a proud man. He didn't want to be considered indigent, but that was the only way to put a stop to the bill collectors and threats. But as a laborer, he didn't have the choice of employer provided health insurance. The insurance market wouldn't take him when he did try to get covered on his own. This is in the late 80s.

The man built our family home with his own hands, and was on the brink of losing it for one surgery. That's why I am passionate about universal healthcare. No one--not one American--should worry about losing everything because of an accident, genetics, or any other health-care related thing that can happen. It's something that we can solve as a society, and we were put on a path to fix our system under Obamacare.


Very touchingly put. I hope you'll never have to see such hardships.

It still blows my mind that some people think that having access to healthcare is a privilege.
They would be quick to change their tune if they themselves were in that boat.

Society today is incredibly ignorant and selfish, no one can seem to think outside of their own needs. And the elites on top wouldn't dare give up their billions of dollars, even if it means innocent people will suffer.



posted on Jun, 16 2017 @ 03:30 PM
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a reply to: ReyaPhemhurth
Agree with everything you said. There's an economic benefit, too. The ACA meant that you were no longer chained to a job that you hate just for health insurance. The Exchange, ten essential benefits, etc. enabled me and millions of others to start our own businesses without worrying about coverage.



posted on Jun, 16 2017 @ 03:37 PM
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the op reads as if it were written to garner support for universal healthcare,
In a very twisted, reverse psychological sort of way. I know that if I were on the fence
over this issue, I would have dropped over to the universal side. The subtle suggestion
eugenics was a nice touch.

When the ladder falls off the paint truck on the freeway, who's genes are going to save you
when it comes through the windshield?

I'm assuming the op does not have insurance? Where the whole group pays, to take
care others in the group.



posted on Jun, 16 2017 @ 03:42 PM
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originally posted by: icanteven
a reply to: ReyaPhemhurth
Agree with everything you said. There's an economic benefit, too. The ACA meant that you were no longer chained to a job that you hate just for health insurance. The Exchange, ten essential benefits, etc. enabled me and millions of others to start our own businesses without worrying about coverage.



A person I am extremely close to has something called a leg length discrepancy since birth, meaning one leg was longer tan the other anatomically. It caused severe pain along his leg, knee, spine and all the way to his neck. It was debilitating. And he was very against pain medicines, as he had always wished to address the issue as opposed to abusing pills and becoming an addict only to mas the symptoms. At age 16 he lost his insurance through his family as they no longer could afford it.

Fast forward 12 years later, he was able to get an insurance plan through the exchange that was pretty decent that did not cost an arm and a leg. From there, he was able to get a great orth doctor that agreed to do the surgery. 6 weeks ago he had the surgery and he's on his way to recovery. No longer will he have to wear a lift in his shoe, that doesn't even help the pain. He'll finally be able to get a job again. He'll finally be able to wear normal shoes. He'll finally be able to not be in pain. He's just under 30 and he has aches and pains I've seen elderly people have.

Not any more.

I feel like a lot of people know someone close to them with similar issues. We're thankful that he was able to get it taken care of before they do away with it, as who knows how long he would have been suffering. And as much as I know he suffered, he and I know that there are others who are in even scarier situations who are suffering and will continue to suffer even more.....

All we can do is remain hopeful that people in the world will have a heart...



posted on Jun, 16 2017 @ 03:50 PM
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a reply to: spacedoubt

Maybe it's a weird avant garde troll post?



posted on Jun, 16 2017 @ 10:02 PM
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After some thought, I have come to this. There is universal education for all kids. Why? Because while there is public education, the quality is bad, so rich people send their kids to private schools instead where competition improves quality. On the other hand, there is no such things as public medicine and private medicine. Medicines you see in drug stores are goods just like TVs. If the poor deserve to be provided medicines paid for by the rich that they cannot afford, then why wouldn't anyone argue the poor also deserve to be provided TVs paid for the by the rich that they cannot afford? Medicines and TVs are both goods, so if people are entitled to medicines even if they can't afford them, then the same argument can be made that everyone is entitled to TVs even if they cannot afford them.



posted on Jun, 17 2017 @ 07:24 AM
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Personally, I would support universal healthcare under 1 condition. The exact same tax rate for everyone regardless of social status. In Canada the richer you are, the higher your tax rate. That is theft. That is communism. That deprives people of the incentive to become rich. Why be rich when you just lose everything with higher tax rate? So that's why Canada has serious economic problem.
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