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Why I decided to oppose universal healthcare

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posted on Jun, 15 2017 @ 10:13 PM
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originally posted by: allsee4eye
a reply to: Ohanka

It should not be need based because people who are poor or weak would have the most need, and it wouldn't be fair to rich and strong. In society where everyone has 1 vote regardless of wealth or genetics, it would not be fair to treat people differently based on wealth or genetics in a universal healthcare.


You are enough of a dick to say the poor do not need healthcare?




posted on Jun, 15 2017 @ 10:13 PM
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a reply to: seasonal

But rich are often strong and don't have a lot of need.



posted on Jun, 15 2017 @ 10:14 PM
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The system kind of works and kind of not work.

Why doesn't it work.

1. First off you have corporations trying to take control with drugs. Instead of preventing disease or disaster they profit off the people from this. People are paying for small things, when it should only be for extreme conditions.

2. Second too much waiting/queuing. Some people may die, the doctor is working like crazy. Have you seen the line up lately? For such small things like a common cold, they shouldn't be any line ups for it. People need to be informed, not by corporations to tell them how to cure themselves. There should be an information desk to cure small problems, not waiting for the doctor to do things for you when they could be doing something else more important like surgery.


Why does it work.

1. If no one pays the doctor, we would have no doctors at all. Technically, the doctor could be teaching people at a lesser cost. I call bull for the amount of money just to get a medical degree. They say we need more doctors. It is 100% truth when it comes to population balance ratio.

2. It cost too much to already to deal with your health, especially for extreme conditions such as being shot, etc. No one want to see a big bill after having accident or just being shot. If the doctor needs money, they don't have to fight the person for money, the people payed to save people.


So basically, it can work 100% as long as there are information for prevention and cure for common things without corporate advertise telling what is good, what is bad for you.



posted on Jun, 15 2017 @ 10:14 PM
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a reply to: BubbaJoe

Poor have more need, but it would be unfair for rich to pay for it.



posted on Jun, 15 2017 @ 10:15 PM
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originally posted by: allsee4eye
a reply to: seasonal

But rich are often strong and don't have a lot of need.


Have you got a shred of evidence to back that up?

You keep saying it, but not once have I seen you back up your statements with anything.



posted on Jun, 15 2017 @ 10:15 PM
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originally posted by: allsee4eye
a reply to: BubbaJoe

Poor have more need, but it would be unfair for rich to pay for it.


Why? They clearly have the wealth to be able to contribute more to the system.



posted on Jun, 15 2017 @ 10:15 PM
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a reply to: allsee4eye

How do you figure that one?

Do you have a source for the rich being so strong?



posted on Jun, 15 2017 @ 10:16 PM
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originally posted by: allsee4eye
a reply to: Ohanka

It should not be need based because people who are poor or weak would have the most need, and it wouldn't be fair to rich and strong. In society where everyone has 1 vote regardless of wealth or genetics, it would not be fair to treat people differently based on wealth or genetics in a universal healthcare.


Does douche weasel have any meaning in your world? You are one.



posted on Jun, 15 2017 @ 10:16 PM
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originally posted by: allsee4eye
a reply to: BubbaJoe

Poor have more need, but it would be unfair for rich to pay for it.


And don't forget, the poor are the weak. Get rid of the poor, get rid of the weak.

Eugenics 101.
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posted on Jun, 15 2017 @ 10:18 PM
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I wonder what'd happen if they made Bill Gates fight a Ugandan lumberjack on 33 cents an hour.

I think the poor might be stronger than the rich on average. They do all the demanding physical labour after all.



posted on Jun, 15 2017 @ 10:18 PM
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A.I. is on the way, there's gonna be a lot of balancing happening soon and some people ain't gonna like it much.

I know I didn't, but it didn't kill me.



posted on Jun, 15 2017 @ 10:20 PM
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a reply to: allsee4eye

The general bad state of health is not because natural selection has been interfered with (like anything prolly a few exceptions ) in the main.

One look at the high carb/high sugar diet coupled with inflammatory fake oils should do it.

We have a crisis of T2 diabetes and cardiovascular disease that leads to a whole slew of other medical complications including cancer.

All of this is chonic high cost treatment disease that is entirely preventable by lifestyle change (again there are surely exceptions)

One 400 billion annual cost saving to medicare might be achieved by forcefully changing diet of pre T2 and T2 diabetes patients for 3 months and if no improvement in condition they remain eligible for payment of medical needs related to diabetes - on the otherhand those that respond to the diet change by having their T2 diabetes go away will no longer be eligible for diabetes related coverage because their condition is brought about by choice not nature - in other words - it's their own damn fault after that.

Kinda like smoking is considered.

Btw 400 billion would balance national budget and leave surplus.

It not weak genes, people are eating themselves to death and expecting others to pay when they run into predictable problems heathwise.

I'm not sure I need to be contributing to healthcare expenses of the obese folks ahead of me at grocery store who have sodas hanging off sides of cart like bizarre trophies of gluttony and load of sugary carb loaded food along with six month supply frozen pizza.

Those people are making a clear choice - one I say they have right to - one rest of us should not be responsible for.

Not just spouting off as my father paid for that choice with an early death due his love of that type food which was greater than a desire to live longer.

Weak minds, not genes.



posted on Jun, 15 2017 @ 10:20 PM
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originally posted by: allsee4eye
a reply to: BubbaJoe

Poor have more need, but it would be unfair for rich to pay for it.


If the rich were able to pay for it, why would it be unfair. You obviously hate poor people, guessing that puts you in the "wanna be the 1%" category.

You are pretty much a dick with ears, nothing you can say will redeem you in my eyes, you are truly an asshat.



posted on Jun, 15 2017 @ 10:21 PM
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I'm leaving this thread before I say something that gets me banned.

The OP is against eugenics, but preaches it and hides behind their god while spouting utter nonsense.

Good luck anyone who tries to even make sense of the arguments the OPs so badly putting forward.



posted on Jun, 15 2017 @ 10:28 PM
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originally posted by: allsee4eye
a reply to: seasonal

I'm in Canada and universal healthcare is very bad service. Hours of wait. Slow service. This is because of lack of competition.

Hours???

Try weeks or months for anything in the U.S. - gotta schedule primary care weeks in advance at least.



posted on Jun, 15 2017 @ 10:32 PM
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a reply to: Greven

To see a specialist in Michigan can take 4 weeks +.

Maybe it is due to being weak if poor or being strong if wealthy?
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posted on Jun, 15 2017 @ 10:59 PM
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originally posted by: seasonal
a reply to: allsee4eye

In the US we are #1 in cost and #37 in health outcomes. Guess what you get in the US if you need to see a specialist? A wait, sometimes a long wait.

The US system is broken, I fear it will only be addressed when the unwashed finally refuse to pay $1000 a month +12,500 a year deductibles, copays and pharma and the system crashes.

The US system is not sustainable, and is now a few companies seeking ever increasing profits.


This is absolutely correct.

It is simply impossible financially for the us government to do universal healthcare with our current costs, there just is not enough money to pay for it.

Now the good news is costs could be reduced dramatically, even with the same care level.

The problem is, the politicians will not do it. Why? big pharma, the AMA, the insurance companies, all the hospital chains love the system the way it is, and they will spend whatever it takes to keep things the same.

I completely agree it is going to take a literal citizen uprising to drop costs.

Actually there is one other hope, new technology. If AI / robotics / early detection by smartphone of disease advance fast enough the medical monopoly could lose their monopoly and costs will drop.



posted on Jun, 15 2017 @ 11:03 PM
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You pay for healthcare all the time, it's cost is actually a part of everything you buy because employers pass along the cost of healthcare to the customer.. Part of your car insurance and house insurance is for people who get hurt.

We need to take the expense out of healthcare, there are too many people making a living in that trade and it causes the ordering of tests that are not needed to support the workers. We have to bring some jobs back to this country that create things, sales jobs and medical jobs are not a good thing for a secure economy.

If you think you will never need healthcare OP, you are wrong, you know the rules, now within the next six months you will be visiting the doctor a lot. You opened your mouth and now you have to pay the price, it always works that way. Knocking on wood will not help.



posted on Jun, 15 2017 @ 11:03 PM
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We cannot pay for anything when we are in debt, the fact that we are in debt means there is no money left over when taxes are collected. Individual wealth has nothing to do with it, unless the commies want to strip the rich to throw down the debt hole by destroying the means to make a living for all the people who work for the rich. Let's all go live in caves and rub leaves on our boo boos.



posted on Jun, 15 2017 @ 11:05 PM
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tell me this person is trolling us all? I've never heard such convoluted reasoning in my life. So, abortion is murder, but should the baby be born "weak" or sickly, you wouldn't want to provide it with medical care?

OP has to be trolling us all. No one can be this wicked



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