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Why I decided to oppose universal healthcare

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posted on Jun, 15 2017 @ 06:55 PM
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Some people might say, if children receive free education from childhood to 18 with taxpayer money, then why is it not fair for everyone to cover everyone else's healthcare with taxpayer money? Everyone's kids need education, but not everyone needs to see a doctor. People who are genetically good almost never get sick. People who are genetically bad get sick pretty much all the time. That's why everyone are willing to pay for free education for everyone else, but not everyone is willing to pay for free healthcare of everyone else.

I've never been to a doctor all my life, so why should I pay for someone else who needs to and can't afford it?


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posted on Jun, 15 2017 @ 06:58 PM
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Those who won't look after the weakest in society (re:" If some poor people have genetic disease and needs to see the doctor a lot, why should I be forced to pay for his health fees"), are no friend of humanity.

It borders on sociopathic to measure the health of your people with dollar signs.



posted on Jun, 15 2017 @ 07:00 PM
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a reply to: Hazardous1408

God's law is natural law. Survival of the fittest. If it wasn't for survival of the fittest over the past hundreds of thousands of years, 99% of people would have to take medicine every single day, common flu would be lethal.



posted on Jun, 15 2017 @ 07:03 PM
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originally posted by: allsee4eye



God's law is natural law.


Irrelevant.
(From a true Believer.)


Survival of the fittest.


Doesn't exist.
It's a myth.


If it wasn't for survival of the fittest over the past hundreds of thousands of years, 99% of people would have to take medicine every single day


That is simply not true and can be proven with the workings of the immune system.


common flu would be lethal.


No it wouldn't.
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posted on Jun, 15 2017 @ 07:05 PM
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a reply to: Hazardous1408

Not to mention most folks are a tragedy or two away from being broke.



posted on Jun, 15 2017 @ 07:08 PM
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a reply to: allsee4eye

The private insurance industry IS privatized socialism.

Right now if you use any health care services, you ARE paying for the guys and gals who do not pay their bills and the cost of medical services is dragging the US economy down.



posted on Jun, 15 2017 @ 07:08 PM
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a reply to: Hazardous1408

Survival of the fittest doesn't exist? Every day, millions of herbivores get eaten. Every day, millions of carnivores starve to death because they are too slow or stupid to catch food. That seems to exist in my books. That is natural selection. Without natural selection, humans would be as silly as apes, still sleeping in trees.
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posted on Jun, 15 2017 @ 07:10 PM
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a reply to: seasonal

I'm in Canada and universal healthcare is very bad service. Hours of wait. Slow service. This is because of lack of competition.



posted on Jun, 15 2017 @ 07:15 PM
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a reply to: allsee4eye

In the US we are #1 in cost and #37 in health outcomes. Guess what you get in the US if you need to see a specialist? A wait, sometimes a long wait.

The US system is broken, I fear it will only be addressed when the unwashed finally refuse to pay $1000 a month +12,500 a year deductibles, copays and pharma and the system crashes.

The US system is not sustainable, and is now a few companies seeking ever increasing profits.


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posted on Jun, 15 2017 @ 07:16 PM
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a reply to: allsee4eye


Survival of the fittest doesn't exist?


No.
Or illness would have been eradicated millennia ago.


Every day, millions of herbivores get eaten.


That is not survival of the fittest..
That is the eco-systems food chain.


Every day, millions of carnivores starve to death because they are too slow or stupid to catch food.


Where do keep pulling "millions" from?
And again, that is not survival of the fittest.

That comes down to fate, the lion that starved to death today may have caught his prey tomorrow...
Such is life, he just failed on this attempt.

Everyone fails at some point. Sometimes it's costly.


Without natural selection, humans would be as silly as apes, still sleeping in trees.


& where did you gain this gem of wisdom from???



posted on Jun, 15 2017 @ 07:17 PM
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a reply to: Hazardous1408

Through mutation, weak individuals are born from strong individuals all the time. It is survival of the fittest that constantly weed out the weak and maintain a large proportion of strong in the population. To save the weak is going against God and nature. God creates sentient beings to know Itself. That is why through natural selection, life becomes more complex and more intelligent.
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posted on Jun, 15 2017 @ 07:19 PM
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a reply to: allsee4eye

I fail to see how this relates to health care.



posted on Jun, 15 2017 @ 07:20 PM
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originally posted by: allsee4eye
a reply to: seasonal

I'm in Canada and universal healthcare is very bad service. Hours of wait. Slow service. This is because of lack of competition.


Sounds like bureaucratic madness as opposed to a lack of vulture-like capitalistic greed.

It's a common problem in the western world with civilised (public) healthcare.

You know who is to blame? Good for nothing malpractice lawyers. They go around with their frivolous lawsuits creating problems where none existed before and as a result an effective health service is crippled by layers of bureaucracy. The NHS in my country is pretty bad for it. It's only been made worse by Cameron's austerity-privatisation cash grab.

But that's lawyers for you. Human misery fuels their profession you know.


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posted on Jun, 15 2017 @ 07:20 PM
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originally posted by: allsee4eye
a reply to: Hazardous1408

Through mutation, weak individuals are born from strong individuals all the time. It is survival of the fittest that constantly weed out the weak and a large proportion of strong in the population.


Translation; I'm a selfish asshat...

Tell me what survival of the fittest (lol at that) has to do with society helping each other in their hour of need?

Without sounding completely self absorbed & obsessed with money.



posted on Jun, 15 2017 @ 07:20 PM
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a reply to: seasonal

Universal healthcare forces the strong to save the weak by paying for their healthcare. That goes against survival of the fittest, natural selection, God.

And because, as I explained, everyone is willing to pay for free education of everyone's kids, but not everyone is willing to pay for everyone's healthcare.
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posted on Jun, 15 2017 @ 07:22 PM
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a reply to: allsee4eye


Public education is the United States is a poor comparison to the proposed idea of universal health care. First of all, in the USA, education isn't a right, that you can take or leave. Education is mandated. Ever try to ditch school, or take your kids on a school days holiday? For that matter, have you ever tried to enroll your kid in any school without a vaccine record?

Now, you're okay with paying for public education, because everyone needs it, but not health care, is another false equivalency. No one ever died from not graduating 8th grade. People die everyday from not getting proper treatment, even for things as common as the flu. Everyone needs health care, some time or another, that's why if everyone pays into a pool, all of the time, then nobody gets ripped off and everyone is covered.



posted on Jun, 15 2017 @ 07:24 PM
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originally posted by: allsee4eye
a reply to: seasonal

Universal healthcare forces the strong to save the weak by paying for their healthcare. That goes against survival of the fittest, natural selection, God.


This is really dangerous Quasi-Darwinianism. The kind used to justify eugenics, which itself led to mass genocide..

For the record rich does not equal strong, and poor does not equal weak.



posted on Jun, 15 2017 @ 07:25 PM
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a reply to: windword

People don't mind paying for everyone's kids' education, because everyone's kids needs education. People are not willing to pay for everyone's health, because most people don't need to see the doctor, only some do. That's why universal healthcare is infringing while public education for kids is not.



posted on Jun, 15 2017 @ 07:25 PM
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originally posted by: Hazardous1408
Those who won't look after the weakest in society (re:" If some poor people have genetic disease and needs to see the doctor a lot, why should I be forced to pay for his health fees"), are no friend of humanity.

It borders on sociopathic to measure the health of your people with dollar signs.


Those who force others to look after them used to be called "massa" too.

In other words, if you compel others to do for you, you're no better than a slave owner.



posted on Jun, 15 2017 @ 07:26 PM
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originally posted by: ketsuko

originally posted by: Hazardous1408
Those who won't look after the weakest in society (re:" If some poor people have genetic disease and needs to see the doctor a lot, why should I be forced to pay for his health fees"), are no friend of humanity.

It borders on sociopathic to measure the health of your people with dollar signs.


Those who force others to look after them used to be called "massa" too.

In other words, if you compel others to do for you, you're no better than a slave owner.


Good one... I needed a laugh.



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