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What is going on in South Africa

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posted on Jun, 29 2017 @ 10:11 AM

originally posted by: heavymental
a reply to: 2Baaka

sounds like afro guilt is what you are describing, the forlorn reality that minorities usually muck up all that is given and find ways to blame the white and the imaginaty supremecy. What some would call white supremacy others would call education and hard work ethics

Simply a matter of perspective.

Are you unaware of white supremacy and its ill affects on brown people?

posted on Jul, 1 2017 @ 09:09 AM
Please watch:

posted on Jul, 1 2017 @ 02:16 PM
a reply to: 2Baaka

Wait till the Arab slavers come.
Still going on today in the Sudan, Yemen and Mauritania.

When Saudi princes gnaw their slaves to death, and Uganda becomes the 4th country to ban their women from working in Arab countries.

But then again maybe you never cared about black people.
You just wanted to bash whites, because you're a racist?

Not that it matters, because when we are gone, all you will be is a slave.
And you're not coming to our territory.

posted on Jul, 2 2017 @ 11:54 AM
a reply to: halfoldman

Here's another good video, an interview with Simon Roche who represents Suidlanders which is a registered civil defense group in South Africa.
Don't know why but the video won't embed.
edit on 2-7-2017 by Asktheanimals because: (no reason given)

posted on Jul, 3 2017 @ 03:06 PM

originally posted by: DbDraad

Agreed. I'm always amazed at how obtuse people become when thinking humans are any different from an organized group of animals in the wild. Let's look at a pride of lions for example. If the two males who are at the head of the pride are losing their strength, power, and ability to secure the best feeding grounds then another set of male lions will begin attacking the two older / weaker males. Eventually the invading male lions will kill both and take over the pride.

This ensures the strongest males will continue to breed superior offspring which directly correlates to lions remaining as an animal species on this planet. If it worked the way socialist liberal snowflakes wanted the older males would continue breeding inferior cubs who eventually would become extinct because over the course of their evolution they would simply become a weak species and die out.

Why are humans exempt from this same course of natural selection? If we allow other nationalities to selectively target their fellow citizens because they view them as inferior then who are we to stop them? Some might argue that we should head off their rise to power so that one day they do not become powerful enough to challenge us and our way of life. With this point I would agree, however, it still proves my point about the process of natural selection. Then we would be called upon to defend what we hold sacred and if we are the stronger of the two then we will prevail. If not then we don't deserve to prevail. Natural selection.

EDIT: I will take the "it's us or them" a little farther. Suppose you are a father or mother and a person is threatening to hurt your child. Your survival and protective instinct is going to hopefully take over to where you actively prevent harm of your child. Even if that results in you killing another human being then so be it. Natural selection is about a species ability to adapt to their environment and remain strong and prosper. It's the very primal core of what lies at the heart of any species on this planet and humans are no different.

You are right, we are guilty of being white. The one problem with your statements is that here in South Africa the black folk are suffering exactly the same problems that the whites are, it ain't about race - well not all of it for sure. One item which I may not have mentioned in my earlier post was that we have probably the most porous borders in the world, we have had a massive influx or foreign "'refugees" from other parts of war torn Africa, they have (and I say this at the risk of sounding like a bigot) absolutely no empathy, compassion nor place a value on human life in anyway.

If you believe this was all caused by Apartheid (which I voted OUT the first vote I was old enough to vote because it wa wrong) then explain the raping of babies? Explain the fact that today there was a dog raped and allowed to bleed to death, an innocent DOG who has no race what so ever? Explain the xenophobic attacks against other black people which I am afraid has NOT gone away and continues. Explain why, for a Cell Phone they will rape and murder regardless of whether the victim is black or white or indian or coloured?

It makes no sense, it is violence unabated, completely sickening and dare I say 'In-Human". Unless you live here and experience it you will not understand. As my other fellow South Africans have posted, it is not as simple as just upping and leaving, we have family and friends here who are unable to do so - I could never leave my family behind and live happily somewhere else while she stays here and there is no way we could all afford to go.

Note also that the true history of Africa is not that the current black population where here before Jan Van Riebeek landed but were coming down from the north - the only true indigenous peoples of South Africa are the koisan and under the ANC they have less rights than dirt.

Please stop being ignorant - ALL lands were once conquered and then settled. In fact ALL humans spawned from Africa - these are simple facts. Anyway enough for now and apologies if I misread your post but I am tired of being guilty for everything and people saying I/we deserve it.
edit on 3-7-2017 by Crymouth because: quoted the wrong item

posted on Jul, 4 2017 @ 02:59 AM
Another recent article to give an idea what is going on in SA...

FSI: Only civil war-torn countries are in a more fragile state than South Africa

. SA is 16.6 points worse off than in 2006, where they recorded a score of 55.7 and were within the ‘stable’ category
. Only five other countries have seen their stability ratings plunge further in the last 10 years – Syria, Yemen, Libya, Senegal and Mali.
“Racial scapegoating has also served as a means for blaming the economy’s ills on ‘rich white capitalists’ rather than on governmental mismanagement of the economy or failure to provide basic services.”

Bold mine.

At least South Africa is at position number 92. So there are 82 worse countries to live in...

And looking at the African continent compared to other continents...

I'm surprised to see that the USA is still in the green...

edit on 4/7/2017 by Gemwolf because: (no reason given)

posted on Jul, 4 2017 @ 05:52 AM
On a scale of 1 - 7 by Genocide Watch South Africa stood at 6 - the last stage before genocide.

Julius Malema, current President of the EFF (economic freedom fighter party).
Here's some banners they displayed:

A picture showing a red banner with the words “A revolutionary must become a cold killing machine motivated by pure hate” was quickly shared on various social networks on Monday.

Another picture shows a banner saying "Honeymoon is over for white people in South Africa".

posted on Jul, 4 2017 @ 07:38 AM
a reply to: Asktheanimals

Thank you very much for the link and the pm,ATA,much appreciated

posted on Jul, 4 2017 @ 07:40 AM
a reply to: Crymouth

Well said

posted on Jul, 4 2017 @ 10:52 AM
a reply to: Raxoxane

Few people outside SA realize just how serious and explosive the situation is down there. There's been a flood of people coming down from war-torn countries in the North adding to the already awful unemployment problem. Add people like Malema who talk like human lives mean nothing and you have a recipe for disaster. At least some are preparing for it should worse come to worse.

To me the story of SA is a story of betrayal, especially by England, having served in the Allied forces in both world wars and after ending Apartheid willingly the rest of world has forgotten them. You once had a strong economy, good government and civil services like police and fine Armed Forces - among the best in the world. All that is gone replaced by a "Rainbow Nation" that has collapsed under the weight of corruption. Where are all the music stars now who cared so much about Mandela and Apartheid? The whole world refused to trade with SA because of Apartheid now that it's gone you are forgotten. Afrikaaners are tough peope though and have been through some very hard times. I believe they will survive this too.

posted on Jul, 4 2017 @ 11:54 AM
a reply to: Gemwolf

Very telling that the site you linked to has a page devoted to moving to other countries and what they will require of you

Sad, such a big, beautiful country abounding in resources where there is no need for anyone to be living in wretched conditions. The politics of race have poisoned everything and promise nothing but misery. Going too far the other way is not the answer to Apartheid.

posted on Jul, 4 2017 @ 12:14 PM

originally posted by: Asktheanimals

To me the story of SA is a story of betrayal, especially by England

I don't know whether you are on the right track there. Great Britain was the one holding back on total crippling sanctions during the 70's and 80's. Thatcher was if anything a saving grace for South Africa during that time. Britain and South Africa were totally bound up in banking and industry/extraction, Britain could have really put crippling sanctions on South Africa - it didn't right to the end. Quite what betrayal since 1994 on the part of Britain is a mystery, what can London do? Send in the Royal Marines to secure the mines for the Randlords? Come on this is the twenty first century. Sure it has economic ties over there but the new regime has swung towards to emerging world and BRICS is the way they are going...........not Empire
Britain I am sure has behind the scenes done much to help our million plus people who live in South Africa. Remember there could have been real civil war twenty years ago like a Bosnia type afair, but it didn't happen. There must have been incredible diplomacy behing the scenes to keep the whole ball rolling as well as it did. I'm rather proud of the way my country has dealt with its former spheres of influence post Empire but I can assure you South Africans across the spectrum won't want Britain dominating them in any form ever again lol

posted on Jul, 4 2017 @ 01:51 PM
a reply to: ufoorbhunter

You are correct. I had typed up a long response and got booted off site and lost it.

Thatcher did resist sanctions but the other Commonwealth Nations were pushing hard. It was easy to judge Apartheid from outside South Africa but it was analagous to why we don't let 10 year old kids drive, they don't have the experience. Few blacks had the experience of education to take over all the state functions and now it's a mess. It should have been a gradual process over the course of 10 - 15 years but the world demanded they change it NOW. We had no idea what a mess we were creating by our sanctions.

I really should have said the Western countries betrayed South Africa by forcing the end of Apartheid, the release of Mandela and de-criminalizing the communist party.

posted on Jul, 4 2017 @ 04:14 PM
a reply to: Asktheanimals

Yeah the West made a mess of it alright. Giving power away to the ANC all at once.............................. Should have gone down the power sharing route for twenty years or something like that. The West certainly should be making more effort against the current regime. What is going on looks like state backed propaganda for ethnic cleansing. All the anti anything not black for jobs etc. Its wrong. The farm murders to me look like straight out of the Soviet textbook. Exactly the same process as used by the USSR in ridding central and eastern Europe of its German population post 1944 onwards. Communist style sponsored training probably going on to this day (Russian secret services maybe gone rogue even to get revenge for the collapse of the USSR) behind the scenes. There is no way the West should have let that happen.
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posted on Jul, 4 2017 @ 06:14 PM
It's weird how some keep blaming the white man for slavery and everything which has happened since.

First of all, slavery was a widely used business practice of people of all colors and cultures throughout history. Second, people of all cultures and colors have participated in slavery. Arabs have done it. Whites have done it. Asians have done it. The Romans did it. Blacks have done it. The Aztecs and Mayans did it and on and on. My wife's people were enslaved by the Turks for 500 years.

Next up, just take a look at Africa. Many of their countries are led by black leadership and we see incredible amounts of modern day slavery, blacks enslaving blacks, across that continent to this very day. And it's not just slavery, Africa hands down is the continent which experiences the most genocide, the most mass murders, the most torture and really, all out mayhem. Till this very day groups of savages will go into villages and kill all the men/boys and then rape and enslave all the women. And it happens with regularity across many countries. And it's black on black. No other continent experiences anything of the like.

Blaming other countries and the white man for this is asinine on many levels. Many other countries have poverty, people with very little resources but they don't counter that by going from town to town and raping, pillaging and murdering many.

posted on Jul, 4 2017 @ 06:30 PM
a reply to: ufoorbhunter

I salute your depth of knowledge sir. Few people are aware of the Ethnic Germans who lived throughout Eastern Europe and the Ukraine being the victims of ethic cleansing after WW2. People who had lived in these countries for generations were slaughtered by the thousands, victims of forced relocation.
edit on 4-7-2017 by Asktheanimals because: (no reason given)

posted on Jul, 4 2017 @ 07:14 PM
a reply to: Asktheanimals

Yes, quite true....millions of ethnic Germans were made refugees and had to flee their homes after WW1 and WW2 as other countries were allocated their land.
My Ancestors were from the Prussian Empire.....the Town/City that my Great great great great Grandfather was from in the mid 1800s, no longer exists in history books.......It is probably now in Polish Territory with a different name, as they changed all the German town names in the early 20th century......Makes it near impossible trace ancestral history.

Their was a time when the white South Africa regime was Widely despised by the World Community.

The Movie "Lethal Weapon" with Aussie Mel (who was born in the USA), made that abundantly clear....the white South Africans were an evil lot, that should be wiped out...I think Riggs killed about 150 in that movie alone.......still "Diplamatic Ahmunitee, Kaffa Luva" (movie quote not mine)

That is one of the reasons for the current lack of Euro/Yank sympathy.....but it is certainly changing.

Why dont you all come to Australia? I see that South Africa is about the 1/4 of the size of Oz.....we have plenty of places for you to live....from snowy Tazzy, to Tropical Darwin and North guys would fit right in climate wise, similar mind sets, we drive on the Right hand side like all British nations and we love V8s.

Get a group together and lobby the Oz govt. The big cities are expensive, but we have lots large size country towns calling out for people..

And we got No Africans!! (The local natives are generally ok and peaceful, and Very much a minority, sadly for them)

posted on Jul, 4 2017 @ 08:15 PM
a reply to: gort51

I'm an American but for some reason I feel compelled to learn more about South Africa. It's a rather unique country with a unique situation and to some degree it is a guide to the future of Western Nations should immigration continue unabated. No Nation should be forced to undergo demographic replacement, it is genocide by definition. Certainly few in the United States would vote for such a thing but it is our future if immigration continues at it's current rate.

posted on Jul, 5 2017 @ 03:35 AM

originally posted by: Asktheanimals
... No Nation should be forced to undergo demographic replacement, it is genocide by definition. ...

Quote of the day!


Many parallels have been drawn between South Africa and Zimbabwe. The "ANC Youth League" have again confirmed that this is the road they want to take...

ANCYL firm on land expropriation, but open to persuasion on next ANC leader

“Our position as the ANC youth league is clear, let’s expropriate land without compensation,” chairperson of the KwaZulu-Natal ANCYL Kwazi Mshengu said.

The league’s stance, however, does not enjoy the full support of the party.

“Obviously there will be those who don’t agree with us, but we are quite happy about the manner in which we have been pushing as the ANC youth league to say that the national policy conference and the national conference in December must resolve to amend the constitution to expropriate land without compensation,” Mshengu said.

A year ago I would have laughed it off. "They won't be able to change the Constitution." But today... The ANC is getting desperate ahead of the 2019 elections. They known they're losing voters in leaps and bounds, so in a last effort to turn voter numbers around they may go to extremes with their "radical economic transformation" and "land expropriation"...

What I don't get is how people think taking the Zimbabwe route in SA is going to be any different... Zimbabwe is a complete and utter disaster. The people of Zimbabwe - rich in natural resources and minerals - are starving and fleeing into South Africa by the millions... And then? When South Africa is completely ruined, where will they flee next? Namibia? Botswana? Angola? Mozambique?

What I also don't get is WHY. I would understand if black people were still oppressed. Then they had good enough reason to forcefully remove their "oppressors". But they're not being oppressed by the minority. They have complete free reign over the governing of the country and the resources. I suppose I shouldn't say "they". It should rather be "their leader". The one they elected into power. So Jacob Zuma is the epitome of corruption - he and his cadres ransack South Africa's treasures for their own personal gains, leaving the people exactly where they were 10-20 years ago... But they are still angry at white people? Are they so brainwashed by the spin-doctors with their catch phrases like "white monopoly capital" that they cannot see what s right in front of their eyes? The corruption is exposed literally on a daily basis, yet they still support Zuma and his actions? I guess these people are driven by hope? "If we vote for the ANC again, maybe it will be different this time? Let's give them one more chance? It's Apartheid's fault..." How many years will they be able to play that dead-horse card? And let's say they rid South Africa of white people, what card will they play then - when the race card is out of the game... Let's ask Robert Mugabe... Who is to blame for all his woes... Still blaming the British are we?

posted on Jul, 5 2017 @ 09:49 AM
a reply to: Gemwolf

Robert Mugabe has woes?
Has he run out of concubines?
Like Zuma he lives in luxury, with every amenity and armed guards for protection.
They have no woes - especially Mugabe since he answers to no-one.

Truly it is not about the appropriation of land but of the houses on it.
Political bosses get their choice of the best ones.
Few want or even know how to work the land,
it wasn't part of their tribal culture and if it was the women did the work anyway.
Tragic that one man can cause so much fear and suffering in either country.

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