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BREAKING: House Majority Whip Steve Scalise, multiple aides shot at Congressional baseball practice

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posted on Jun, 14 2017 @ 12:18 PM
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a reply to: Xcalibur254

I'm not sure he understands in any way shape or form what insanity might entail.




posted on Jun, 14 2017 @ 12:18 PM
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a reply to: Vroomfondel

I think you'd have a hard time arguing that Griffin's portrayal of a beheaded Trump satisfies the Brandenburg test for an attack on some Congressmen.

A hard time arguing it cogently, anyway. Griffin is a convenient punching bag, though.



posted on Jun, 14 2017 @ 12:23 PM
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originally posted by: vonclod
a reply to: SBMcG

What a load of tripe..you a mental health expert?


I have a graduate degree in Psychology (MA), though I have never used it professionally (I'm a land developer).

You?



posted on Jun, 14 2017 @ 12:24 PM
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a reply to: SBMcG

Touche
None of your credentials..how could you be so wrong?

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posted on Jun, 14 2017 @ 12:24 PM
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originally posted by: IgnoranceIsntBlisss
a reply to: introvert

LIES.

There's hardly a BLM thread alll last year that didnt have you in there for pages derailing the threads that all the stuff BLM fanatics were doing in response to the BLM campaign wasnt the results of BLM's campaign. It's all on record here. And i saw you in action in all the same ways in multiple islamic terror attack threads. Its these hot breaking news threads of particular note. Like this one here today you're doing it again.

If people are driven to terrorism in the name of leftist causes, NOPE it wasnt the propaganda / social engineering that drove them to do it.

I think in some circles that might be considered being a terrorist sympathyzer.

If you disagree please explain what it would be instead.

Maybe its just subconscious, you never evem realized it.

If so I hope this helps.

The first stage of curing a lot of cognitive issues is recognizing abd facing them head on.


I wish I could give applause.


Its the same tactic every time and then nothing but denial. I am glad someone else called him out on it too. It got old a long long time ago. Either he doesn't get it or he just lies for the sake of lying and getting attention.

I agree that some of that behavior is akin to terrorist sympathizing. You cant get much closer anyway. At some point people have to stop finding ways to excuse the behavior or excuse themselves from it. Denial is not a solution.



posted on Jun, 14 2017 @ 12:25 PM
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I also want to make it clear that I in no way want to call for the censorship of anyone as a result of this incident.

I have no problem criticizing the rhetoric that many in the media and politics have used, but I will not call for the government to try to limit their speech (unless its a direct call for violence).




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posted on Jun, 14 2017 @ 12:26 PM
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a reply to: Vroomfondel

But none of these media outlets or whatever are coming out and saying "Hey, you should go out and kill some Republicans." A political bias does not equate to inciting violence. Just because a crazy person takes something you said or did as a command to go and kill doesn't mean you're inciting violence.



posted on Jun, 14 2017 @ 12:26 PM
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a reply to: Shamrock6

That was probably a bad example, but it made the point. I agree though. It would be hard to prove. Even when there is a physical link conviction isn't guaranteed. Getting a prosecutor to pursue that would be next to impossible.



posted on Jun, 14 2017 @ 12:28 PM
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originally posted by: Shamrock6

originally posted by: muzzleflash

originally posted by: Grambler

I am not even going to go through how insane your statement is equivocating murders to people with a policy disagreement.

I will just say as long as people with your insane mentaality are out there, this sort of violence is inevitable.


I agree.
Let's bring all the troops home and stop justifying violence around the world.

Oh and let's demilitarize our police forces here at home too, they have way too much firepower for mere domestic issues.
And let's scale down the police raids and all that stuff.
Etc etc



Boy when you go off-topic you go right the hell off the rails, don't you?


How was I off topic?

First guy says he condemns violence, especially when one political party denies healthcare to 24 million people which is 24million times a violent as killing one person would be.

Then a dozen people respond to him saying he's immoral or wrong for justifying reprisal / reactionary violence based on the perception that a certain party does certain things which can be construed as extremely violent or death causing actions.

I decide to put a cherry on the cake and respond to someone with a hint of sarcasm by merely stating let's end all the wars and disarm the cops - and I'm off topic.

Dude we were off the rails for pages - this entire thread is off the rails - this entire nation doesn't even know where the hell the rails are anymore. Maybe we never knew to begin with??



posted on Jun, 14 2017 @ 12:28 PM
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edit on 14-6-2017 by abago71 because: sorry



posted on Jun, 14 2017 @ 12:29 PM
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originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: SBMcG

That logic is a bit spurious. Ted Kaczynski was a genius that wrote out an entire manifesto explaining his views and actions. Last time I checked he was hardly a paragon of sanity.


I read the Unibomber Manifesto. He was clearly insane. His disjointed leaps of logic and schizophrenic ramblings could never be confused with the rational and reasoned writings of today's Virginia shooter.



posted on Jun, 14 2017 @ 12:29 PM
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originally posted by: introvert
It is disingenuous for us to blame others for the acts of individuals. Their beliefs may be informed from outside influences, but in the end it is their responsibilty.


So in Nazi Germany, all the little details of everything that Nazi influenced triggered, it wasnt the fault of Hitler and the Nazi's, it was all the little people to blame?

Well you had better call the UN then, tell them how the Nuremburg trials were incomplete. They forgot to charge all the Nazi soldiers and civilians whom were part of the SS citizen snitch network.
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posted on Jun, 14 2017 @ 12:29 PM
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a reply to: face23785

Don't be silly only 22 times more dangerous just do the math.



Ps of you people truly belI've this was the fault of MSN etc file a law suit and prove it in court.
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posted on Jun, 14 2017 @ 12:30 PM
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I was wrong to say it was too early and and too stupid to determine it was a lefty or a dem.



posted on Jun, 14 2017 @ 12:30 PM
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a reply to: Xcalibur254

Political bias, no. But holding a bloody severed head up for the camera isis style? That might be seen as encouragement. Isis certainly thinks it is. And on people who have been hammered with an ideology their whole lives it might be all that it takes to encourage that last step from activist to terrorist.

I don't know if this is the one, actually I doubt it is. But I believe there will be a single event that will be a catalyst in associating messages from the media/celebrities with real life events. There is probably enough data to start trending it now.



posted on Jun, 14 2017 @ 12:31 PM
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a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss



There's hardly a BLM thread alll last year that didnt have you in there for pages derailing the threads that all the stuff BLM fanatics were doing in response to the BLM campaign wasnt the results of BLM's campaign. It's all on record here. And i saw you in action in all the same ways in multiple islamic terror attack threads. Its these hot breaking news threads of particular note. Like this one here today you're doing it again.


BLM came out and specifically denounced what had occurred, yet people still tried to blame them. So I did stick up for them.

I don't believe I said anyone who disagrees with me is crazy. You made that up.



If people are driven to terrorism in the name of leftist causes, NOPE it wasnt the propaganda / social engineering that drove them to do it.


We are all exposed to propaganda. It's something within the individual that drives them to extremes.



I think in some circles that might be considered being a terrorist sympathyzer. If you disagree please explain what it would be instead. Maybe its just subconscious, you never evem realized it. If so I hope this helps. The first stage of curing a lot of cognitive issues is recognizing abd facing them head on.


As always, prone to dramatic hyperbolic nonsense.



posted on Jun, 14 2017 @ 12:32 PM
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So in Nazi Germany, all the little details of everything that Nazi influenced triggered, it wasnt the fault of Hitler and the Nazi's, it was all the little people to blame?

Well you had better call the UN then, tell them how the Nuremburg trials were incomplete. They forgot to charge all the Nazi soldiers and civilians whom were part of the SS citizen snitch network.


Besides, no one is blaming anyone else for the perp's actions. That's absurd.



posted on Jun, 14 2017 @ 12:32 PM
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originally posted by: Kantzveldt
a reply to: theantediluvian

You have constantly looked to undermine the legitimacy of the Trump Administration and promoted the traitor and impeachment narrative, thus reinforcing Trump is a traitor. Trump has destroyed our Democracy, if that was actually the case then any true American Patriot would be entitled to violently resist the Government if all legal means fail, that's the supposed reason they have the guns in the first place, your participation in the promotion of the false narrative triggered this individual to think that such a situation prevailed, you twisted the guys thinking so much he thought shooting up Congressmen was defending Democracy..


What a load of BS. Now you're blaming me? Lmao. You are completely unhinged.

First off, I haven't promoted any "false narratives." I actually haven't called for Trump's impeachment and to the contrary, I've said that I don't believe that there's enough to impeach him a number of times.

I've never said, "Trump has destroyed our Democracy." Not ever. That's not even something I would say. So not only are you trying to paint everyone on the Left with the broadest brush possible — and blame me personally for this asshole shooting people — you're misattributing things to me that I've never said or done to make a straw man to back up your own BS narrative.

Another I've never said is that Trump wasn't the legitimate POTUS and in fact, I've made statemetns to the contrary several times including the night of the election.

In fact, basically nothing you've said about me has any bearing on anything I've actually said or done except in your own mind where you've conflated all opposition to Trump, pushed it into a single "basket" and labelled it based on some distorted projection from your skewed world view.

Period.


if that was actually the case then any true American Patriot would be entitled to violently resist the Government if all legal means fail


Notice that is coming from you. It's always right-wingers talking about "entitled to violently resist" not me. We're in no way, shape or form nearing a point where "violent resistance" should even be mentioned. We have free and fair elections and there will be another one in a few short years in which we can remove Donald Trump from office.

I stand by everything I post. Donald Trump is a horrible president. He's a habitual and compulsive liar. He's also a feckless clown who has no clue about geopolitics. He says incredibly stupid things on Twitter with regularity and he isn't fit to be President of the United States. He was however duly elected and will remain in office until he loses an election, serves two terms or is otherwise legally removed from office.

If you want to come at me for something I've actually done, feel free. Otherwise, pack up your straw men and step off.
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posted on Jun, 14 2017 @ 12:33 PM
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originally posted by: dragonridr
a reply to: face23785

Don't be silly only 22 times more dangerous just do through math.



Respectfully, 15 x 22 = 330
15 x 37 = 555. I rounded it down. That was probably too generous. Anti-gunners like to inflate their statistics. They would say it's 38x deadlier.



posted on Jun, 14 2017 @ 12:34 PM
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originally posted by: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

originally posted by: introvert
It is disingenuous for us to blame others for the acts of individuals. Their beliefs may be informed from outside influences, but in the end it is their responsibilty.


So in Nazi Germany, all the little details of everything that Nazi influenced triggered, it wasnt the fault of Hitler and the Nazi's, it was all the little people to blame?

Well you had better call the UN then, tell them how the Nuremburg trials were incomplete. They forgot to charge all the Nazi soldiers and civilians whom were part of the SS citizen snitch network.


That makes no sense. The regular people of Germany were not to blame for the atrocities committed by their military and leadership.

Not a good comparison.



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