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My Reptilian Abduction

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posted on Feb, 7 2005 @ 02:18 PM
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And how do you know what people on drugs at parties would say? Thats just ridiculous.

I know several sane people who insist they are sane. Does that mean they are crazy? They tell me about very strange things that happened to them.

Your logic still makes absolutely no sense, perhaps you should see a shrink since you value them so.

Just because his story is weird, does not mean he is crazy.

Attack the facts. Not the witness. Suggesting drugs and insanity is a common cheap and weak tactic used by debunkers when they can no longer attack the facts.

I see plenty of facts that can be attacked, plenty of details that can be debated.

But suggesting drugs or insanity is the crybaby equivilant of throwing in the towel.




posted on Feb, 7 2005 @ 02:52 PM
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Thanks guys im tired of responding to such people and their personal attacks on me.
It just goes to show how violentlly people react to things they dont understand.

As to my sanity if I saw all these things just myself, i would consider that line of thinking,
However when my friend with me had same memories right after,
and the cow was reallly dead!
So it really happened, accept the truth!

your mental illnesss theory is absurd and highly offencive,
insanity doesnt kill cows by mutalation nor does it implant like memories of events in different peoples minds.

It took 10 years to discuss this, people like you Nygdan
are the reason.

ANd keep your insults and sarcasm directed at me!
leave ambyt alone, I asked him to talk abut this for your sake ATS so dont release your talons on him!
That seriuously disrespects my kind, disabled freind and i will not have that!
Ill ask him to leave first.... comprende?

PS i should have never typed PARTY it was a get together in the begining stages of a get together, we always hung out there at his house, their was always more than one person there.
So its not a rave or something if that is what you are thinking of.....

PUT YOUR MONEY WHERE YOUR MOUTH IS!
I will take a lie detector test - if you pay Nygdan
I will take a brain wave lie test - if you pay Nygdan
I will anonymouslly go to a shrink- if you pay Nygdan
I will take an mri if -you pay Nygdan

Now what excuse have you?
Thats the best i can do , lets see your best ---Nygdan
I have not had luck contacting these other abductees such as chase,
their emails dont work... and i noticed i ALSO took chase 10 years to talk that was in 1979!!!!!!!

To the general public i say this:
You as a whole will never get the answers you seek if you do not change your attitude toward what you think you know!
As long as you attack those who wish only to educate you,
and praise all those who only make money off of you,
you will never DESERVE any truths you seek!
as long as you continue to think ,act, and react like children alone in this universe, the longer you will be treated as such by your GOV. and its citizens!!!!!!!!
Wake up then grow up.

[edit on 7-2-2005 by lizzardsamok]



posted on Feb, 8 2005 @ 11:08 AM
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Originally posted by sdrumrunner
if you are in fact stating that he should seek out a professional psychologist because he had an unusual experience, then yes, as per the referenced scientific study, I would most definitely say it is unreasonable.

Then do you suggest that the experiences are definitively real?


Lastly, I ask, is this your "professional" opinion, i.e., are you a practicing and/or licensed mental health professional?

No, I am not. As far as offering advice, I am not more qualified than anyone else here to offer advice. That doesn't change that I would and do suggest that he see one. I understand the arguement you make, if there is no higher rate of psychosis in people reporting abductions, then there is no reason to expect, merely because of reporting an abduction, that a person is psychotic.

However, the fact remians that he saw something so unusual, so incredible, that one can't merely 'brush it off' as insulting to see a psychologist and verify this. Some people that have these experiences are psychotic, others have other mental health issues, and others have no mental health issues at all. Why not verify it?


skadi
And how do you know what people on drugs at parties would say? Thats just ridiculous.

Ok, its ridiculous, it was a ridiculous offensive suggestion. And?


Your logic still makes absolutely no sense, perhaps you should see a shrink since you value them so

If I ever start seeing giant lizards that fly space ships and wear skin tight jumpers I think I will see a psychologist.

Just because his story is weird, does not mean he is crazy.

Excuse me, but I did not say he was crazy, delusional, lying, or trolling. I merely suggested that a reasonable person would want to eliminate the possibility..

But suggesting drugs or insanity is the crybaby equivilant of throwing in the towel.

Suggesting it is the act of a cry baby? I'd say whining and crying about it long after the suggestion was brought up and answered in the negative is the act of a crybaby.


lizzardsamuk
Thanks guys im tired of responding to such people and their personal attacks on me.

Apparently you aren't tired of personal attacks. You complained that that happened in the previous thread. You then proceeded to create this one, and apparently have posted other threads in other places about it. You obviously aren't 'tired' of it.

And I have not insulted you. Honestly, anyone who hears a story about someone fighting super intelligent lizard men in their space ship, and doesn't say 'are you crazy or something man?' or 'were hallucinogenic drugs involved', is a dope and a fool. They are perfectly reasonable questions to ask.


your mental illnesss theory is absurd and highly offencive,

I did not propose a theory that you were infact mentally ill, i suggested that you have yourself checked out. Personally, I do think you are mentally disturbed, unfortunately there is no way to refute that since you wont' see one.


PUT YOUR MONEY WHERE YOUR MOUTH IS!
I will anonymouslly go to a shrink- if you pay Nygdan

Ok, lets start this process, what city are you in? I had said before that you should can see a free social worker or free clinic. I agree that the situation changes some if you have to pay large sums of money.

You, however, are the one not 'putting your money where your mouth is', i have no particular interest as to the veracity of your story, you are the one who brought it here and directed people to your webpage.

Chace apparently posts, at least up until late last year, that I can see anyways, at the below site
www.virtuallystrange.net

Why don't you contact him about your experience? Maybe he can put you into contact with other abductees?

Or am I being 'insulting' and 'offensive' again?


So it really happened, accept the truth!

Beleive your story merely because you request so?

And, again, what are the details that you are leaving out? Why are you starting this thread but purposely being secretitve?


leave ambyt alone, I asked him to talk abut this for your sake ATS

Is he going to answer the questions put to him or not? He is here for your sake, not anyone elses. Anything that happens here is a result of [iyou starting the thread, any involvment on his part is a result of you requesting him to come here and speak on your behalf.



posted on Feb, 8 2005 @ 11:15 AM
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hey Liz,
we actually have something in common !
my mother-in-law's family is a direct decendant of a scottish family that had a castle, she even went there last year and signed the book they keep in the castle for decendants. she has a modest little picture of the place now. I was thinking maybe you should go to scotland and check out the castles of your family, she says it was a great experience.

peace



posted on Feb, 8 2005 @ 12:08 PM
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Originally posted by Nygdan

Originally posted by sdrumrunner
if you are in fact stating that he should seek out a professional psychologist because he had an unusual experience, then yes, as per the referenced scientific study, I would most definitely say it is unreasonable.


However, the fact remians that he saw something so unusual, so incredible, that one can't merely 'brush it off' as insulting to see a psychologist and verify this. Some people that have these experiences are psychotic, others have other mental health issues, and others have no mental health issues at all. Why not verify it?



Please let me further illustrate this point with a far more "down to earth" example:

The year: 1997. My first business trip to India, which lasted several months. It has been previously mentioned in another thread that I have in fact lived there off-and-on for about three of the last seven years (now going on eight).

1997, Ajanta Caves, a couple hours outside Aurangabad in the state of Maharashtra (where Bombay/Mumbai is located). I was one of three westerners (at least that I was aware of) to visit the caves that hot, pre-monsoon afternoon. I sat in this small eatery to quench my thirst before journeying down the path to visit the string of temples.

Across from me sat this older gentleman -- I would have guessed 50-going-on-80, as he probably looked far older than he was. He wore this white flowing robe, and a small cap upon the crown of his head. He was soon joined by a couple younger men, closer to my age. He stared at me... long, and hard, to the point that I (mis)interpreted his stare as a sign of animosity. He would speak to the others, but never took his gaze off me.

I wasn't sure what was going to happen. Mentally, I was preparing myself for a number of scenarios.

That was when the driver (responsible for bringing me from Pune) entered. He spoke English in addition to the same mother tongue spoken by the gentleman sitting across from me. I asked him to please ask this gentleman what his problem was. By now, I had grown very uncomfortable.

Well, turns out my read was mistaken, at least according to the driver. Apparently, this older gentleman was on his first trip outside his native village some several hundred km. from there, and he had never seen a Westerner before. Imagine that -- over five decades on this earth, near the end of the 20th century, and I was the first "white guy" this man had seen!


His look had simply been one of curiosity -- albeit rather intense curiosity. His world was one without electricity or running water. There did not exist a single telephone nor television in the village. The other gentlemen who had joined him were simply answering his questions based on their limited knowledge and/or interaction with Westerners.

Turns out this is actually not that uncommon, as over time, I came to call the long, endless stares I would receive pretty much everywhere in India the "Elvis Syndrome," as with very rare exception, almost anywhere I have travelled in India, people stare at me as if I had a conjoined fetus growing out of the side of my neck...

And to answer the quetsion of all our young, budding smarta$$es out there, no, I don't.


Anyway, this man, as well as the men who had joined him at the table, all accompanied me on our now collective tour of the cave temples.

I was still using my old PowerBook 180c back then, and had also purchased an early Apple Quicktake, one of the first ever digital cameras to hit the market. So in addition to brining my 35mm SLR, I was able to bring my laptop and digital camera.

***CAUTION: POINT OF THE STORY AHEAD***

So image the utter amazement on this guys face when I a) took photographs with a device he had never personally seen (a camera, let alone a digital camera), b) downloaded them onto my laptop computer to show him.

He had never heard of nor imagined the concept of a computer.

Do you by chance think this might have sounded "unusual" to his family when he returned to his village?

Do you think when he told this story of meeting this strange foreigner with white skin, who magically captured his likeness on a little grey box, connected this to another bigger yet still small grey box with a chord, and showed him his own likeness -- on this freaking grey box!!! -- that just maybe this sounded a little unusual to his friends and family?

As an extension of your very logic, are you actually suggesting this villager should seek professional psychiatric help?
Why, because I had a laptop and a digital camera in 1997?


Are you truly so confident in your assumption that we know everything there is to know in this universe as to rule out any possibility of the occurrence of an event that we are unable to completely understand or explain in the context fo our existing knowledge base?

Having said this, do I think the story LA has shared with us here is possible in a universe of infinite possibilities? Well, yes.


I hope this better illustrates why I belive there is no need for LA to "see someone" about his experience solely based on the fact that he experienced it.

Lastly, as you have in fact verified in your own words that you are not a licensed nor praticing professional in the field of psychological study, as per my last post on the subject, you are not qualified to as much as offer this advice.
No offense, and none intended. But this is nonetheless a valid statement.

[Edit: due to more n00bish mistakes.
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[edit on 8-2-2005 by sdrumrunner]



posted on Feb, 8 2005 @ 12:42 PM
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I would just like to say I believe you lizzardsamock. And no you do not need to seek a psychiatric evaluation. Nygdans insistance upon an evaluation only shows that he doesn't believe you, which is his perogative. He obviously does not realize how insultive this may seem to someone who actually had an experience that is typically looked at as a impossible.

Now as for being prepared for these creatures. If they are as technologically advanced as they seemed to you, then it appers there would be nothing we can do about it except to keep an open mind and await their arrival. As for your evaluation of their intentions towards humans being a hostile one, do you perhaps think that this could have been a natural response of feeling totally out of control. As in we fear what we do not understand.
One think I will keep in mind is not to follow any UFOs, if and when I see one.



posted on Feb, 8 2005 @ 10:07 PM
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srummruner
I cannot exprees how much I appreciate your brotherly support !!!!!
and what you said last post in defence of logic was eloquent at the least.

seeQ
no they were very hostile trust me,
I gave them an oppertunity, they did the opposite.
thank you for beliving me, i would be happy as to just an open mind......
More open minds here than before


here is some old world background on them all on 1 page....
www.nationmaster.com...

[edit on 8-2-2005 by lizzardsamok]



posted on Feb, 8 2005 @ 10:26 PM
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Originally posted by sdrumrunnerAs an extension of your very logic, are you actually suggesting this villager should seek professional psychiatric help?

Sure, he should, if westerners weren't all over the place and in the mainstream media, or if westerners weren't just regular people that look a little different, even if they have very advanced technology.

If he went home and everyone told him 'you have imagined these things, old fool' and no one anywhere had ever heard of westerners and there weren't books and such with them in them, then, if I were him, I'd want to know if it was crazy to have seen this bizzare thing sitting there, obviously not belonging, but with no one else reacting to it, and I'd expect people to say 'old man, were you drinking again?'.


you are not qualified to as much as offer this advice.

Are you a licsened psych? Is everyone here that thinks he doesn't need to see a psych of some sort qualified to make that statement?



posted on Feb, 8 2005 @ 10:59 PM
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This guy Nygdan is gonna get this thread trashed as well.....

I have offered 5 solutions to you, you offer same oppinion!

I get it ! you think im insane,
and need a phsyciotrist, your oppinion is duely noted!

---> please add something "new" or respectively "MOVE ON SIR",
as i do not want a repeat of mistakes on this , the second thread!

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radagast

well , surprise surprise surprise ! lol
I remember something like that offerd to my parents one time...
Love to talk about it but only here:
www.abovetopsecret.com...


[edit on 8-2-2005 by lizzardsamok]



posted on Feb, 8 2005 @ 11:08 PM
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Originally posted by lizzardsamok
This guy Nygdan is gonna get this thread trashed as well.....

I have offered 5 solutions to you, you offer same oppinion!

I get it ! you think im insane,
and need a phsyciotrist, your oppinion is duely noted!

---> please add something "new" or respectively "MOVE ON SIR",
as i do not want a repeat of mistakes on this , the second thread!

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radagast

well , surprise surprise surprise ! lol
Love to talk about it but only here:
www.abovetopsecret.com...

[edit on 8-2-2005 by lizzardsamok]


How long ago did this happen again Lizzard?



posted on Feb, 8 2005 @ 11:50 PM
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Are you truly so confident in your assumption that we know everything there is to know in this universe as to rule out any possibility of the occurrence of an event that we are unable to completely understand or explain in the context fo our existing knowledge base?

this, people, should be a statement that we should ALL consider when dealing with the unknown.

GREAT point.



posted on Feb, 9 2005 @ 01:08 AM
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Ill accept to taking this ....
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Skeptic Eradication begins!





Disclaimer: As to said bat above it is simply metaphorical imagery,
I do not intend to use said virtual bat to virtually beat any skeptics virtually physically or otherwise.
No skeptics were physically harmed in the making of this thread.

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
blackSt33L
What do you refer to? thread closed?

[edit on 9-2-2005 by lizzardsamok]



posted on Feb, 9 2005 @ 10:33 AM
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Hey Lizzards,
have you looked into your scottish family roots any ? I'm curious if my mother-in-laws family might be from the same area your family is from....do you have any idea what part of scotland or area they come from ? i don't think its wise for us to exchange family surnames, but I'm curious to what part of scotland your roots go back to.....do you think your bloodtype and family history could be connected to your experience ?



posted on Feb, 9 2005 @ 11:20 PM
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I dont know if it does have anything to do with it,
but i still think it was because we witnessed it and
were right there in the open for the taking.

on the other hand , The reps always seem to be involved with blood for one reason or another......



posted on Feb, 10 2005 @ 12:05 PM
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Nygdan,

Before I once again address your questions and/or comments, I ask that in the future you please include the entire quote of mine you choose to reference as opposed to selectively choosing segments, so that new readers may receive a "fair and balanced" summary of the issues under discussion. I have taken the liberty of including your referenced quotes in their entirety for this very reason. Thx.



Originally posted by Nygdan

Originally posted by sdrumrunnerAs an extension of your very logic, are you actually suggesting this villager should seek professional psychiatric help?
Why, because I had a laptop and a digital camera in 1997?



Sure, he should, if westerners weren't all over the place and in the mainstream media, or if westerners weren't just regular people that look a little different, even if they have very advanced technology.


So, by your logic, if there existed a commonly accepted reference, i.e., if and only if his experience is socially acceptable is it valid?


My dear friend, are you truly so easily and blindly led? That you let others dictate your very state of mind via their interpretation of your experience?

And to the contrary, there exists a wealth of documentation pertaining to the existence of UFOs and alien life which by your very logic allows for the "social" acceptance of LA's story -- at least within the subset of the population that discusses such topics in forums dedicated to the subject matter... say, this one.


In fact, there exists more documentation pertaining to the existence of UFOs and alien life then there does the combined existence of both Jesus Christ and George Washington. Therefore, by your very logic, are you reccomending psychological help for anyone who is either a Christian, or of the belief that George Washington was the first president of the United States?


Regarding the latter half of the comment, that it is only acceptable as long as they are "just regular people that look a little different," are you suggesting that alien life can exist only if it meets these narrow-minded conditions?


If you truly have such knowledge (not conjecture nor speculation, mind you, but factual knowledge), then please share with all of us where we too may acquire such factual insight so that we, too, may speak with such absolute authority as to the limitations of physical appearance of alien lifeforms throughout the known and unknown universe.

Again, Nygdan, as I see you chose to not answer my question from before, I present it again:

Are you truly so confident in your assumption that we know everything there is to know in this universe as to rule out any possibility of the occurrence of an event that we are unable to completely understand or explain in the context of our existing knowledge base?


Originally posted by NygdanIf he went home and everyone told him 'you have imagined these things, old fool' and no one anywhere had ever heard of westerners and there weren't books and such with them in them, then, if I were him, I'd want to know if it was crazy to have seen this bizzare thing sitting there, obviously not belonging, but with no one else reacting to it, and I'd expect people to say 'old man, were you drinking again?'.


All I can say in response to this is please re-read my paragraph above which addresses the question as to whether or not validity is a function of social acceptance.

I understand that for some people, they [i[need to verify or validate their very experience, as they lack the self-confidence or emotional and/or mental capacity to internalize events they do not understand without assistance.

However, there are also individuals, who, confident in their intellect and ability to rationally internalize a wider range of experiences, do not need such external validation. I do not think you have quite grasped this, if for no other reason then simply because you are "wired" differently than such people. There is no offense intended by this comment. It is simply my humble observation.



Originally posted by Nygdan

Originally posted by sdrumrunnerLastly, as you have in fact verified in your own words that you are not a licensed nor praticing professional in the field of psychological study, as per my last post on the subject, you are not qualified to as much as offer this advice. No offense, and none intended. But this is nonetheless a valid statement.


Are you a licsened psych? Is everyone here that thinks he doesn't need to see a psych of some sort qualified to make that statement?


To answer your question, no, I am not a licensed "psych," but it is you, not I, attempting to postulate that someone else "needs" to see one. It is you, not I, questioning the validity of someone else's experience.

Do you not understand the fact that I'm not a licesned professional has no bearing whatsoever on the fact you are not qualified to hand out such advice?



posted on Feb, 11 2005 @ 05:23 AM
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I can back up myself....so i do noty hang out 23 hours a day at ATS....i do have other things in myh life to attend to...so you might have to wait a day or two,,maybe even three....quit harassing me about a reply.

I think i will wait a few more days to reply to posts on page 2&3 of the post.



posted on Feb, 11 2005 @ 05:02 PM
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I thought this guy was exposed and the thread was closed. What happened.



posted on Feb, 12 2005 @ 02:18 AM
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LizzardsAmok--

I had made up my mind not to post any more messages about your story, because the previous ones were far too long, but please let me make a short comment about a certain detail that annoys Nygdan:




Besides ther is more to the story anyway, stuff that he's specifically leaving out, heck he even said he won't tell 'unbeleivers'. Is it possible that those things that he is hiding, if they were revealed, might lead one to conclude, 'oh, you really should see a psych'?





And, again, what are the details that you are leaving out? Why are you starting this thread but purposely being secretitve?


You have already suggested that you choose to be silent concerning something that if told would make people mock you. This is probably what most contributes to the authenticity of the story, rather than to its being rejected. I suspect that you are hinting at the fact that you, like so many other abductees, were forced, or nearly forced, to
go through a humiliating procedure that normally only physicians are allowed to carry out.

Not only do I still believe all you have said, but I also think you have been given a risky mission, which is to warn your fellow human beings, and that you were chosen because you have a sturdy mind that would be able to handle the disturbing experience.



posted on Feb, 16 2005 @ 04:04 AM
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Originally posted by Macrento
LizzardsAmok--

I suspect that you are hinting at the fact that you, like so many other abductees, were forced, or nearly forced, to
go through a humiliating procedure that normally only physicians are allowed to carry out.


No the procedure was cake compared to what we went thru after, and as far as physicians try really evil terrorists or criminals with science as a side hobby.
we would jail them for life if a human did it.



Not only do I still believe all you have said, but I also think you have been given a risky mission, which is to warn your fellow human beings,

Indeed, im already being discouraged by my own kind.....



and that you were chosen because you have a sturdy mind that would be able to handle the disturbing experience.


we were not chosen and you make it sound like god himself came down, try satan instead, it would be closer to the truth. these things are not compasionate or even reasonable....

thanks for your support,
ask around the black military about what ive said.....
If your lucky and respectful your eyes will be opened wide i assure you.



[edit on 16-2-2005 by lizzardsamok]



posted on Feb, 16 2005 @ 09:06 AM
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Originally posted by sdrumrunner
please include the entire quote of mine you choose to reference as opposed to selectively choosing segments, so that new readers may receive a "fair and balanced" summary of the issues under discussion.

They can look a few spaces up to see your original post to see if I have removed your, or anyone elses, statements from their context. I haven't destroyed the context and changed the meaning of anything you said and don't need to include the entire post to keep the meaning.

I have taken the liberty of including your referenced quotes in their entirety for this very reason.

This is against board policy.

So, by your logic, if there existed a commonly accepted reference, i.e., if and only if his experience is socially acceptable is it valid?

You do know what a society and culture is no? I mean, movement away from the 'norm' is what 'psychological abnormalities' are all about. If you, me, or anyone else, see's something so profoundly bizzare as tentacle laden spaceships ripping the flesh off living cows and have to fight giant lizard men, then yes, they have seen something so abnormal that they should consider at least seeing freely provided psychological help.

In fact, there exists more documentation pertaining to the existence of UFOs and alien life then there does the combined existence of both Jesus Christ and George Washington

Er, in fact there does not. There are lots of sightings of 'ufo', to be certain, but none have been demonstrated to be alien spaceships, no evidence of the existence of aliens exists either.

Therefore, by your very logic, are you reccomending psychological help for anyone who is either a Christian, or of the belief that George Washington was the first president of the United States?

Anyone claiming that certain beleif in the existence of jesus is Rational or Reasonable is saying far too much, because it is neither. Jesus, or any other god, is a matter of faith. Anyone who claimed, for example, that they've been vistited by jesus and talked to him and wrestled with the devil, i'd say that they should indeed see a psych.

are you suggesting that alien life can exist only if it meets these narrow-minded conditions?

We are talking about giant lizard men. Flying space ships. Chopping up cows. Not pale skin strange faced humans.

as to rule out any possibility of the occurrence of an event

Excuse me, but where have I said that this man must be insane? I have suggested that a rational person, after seeing that, would have to wonder, 'am i insane, do i have a chemical imbalance, heck have i had a stroke or a seizure or something' and that they seek out a doctor to rule that out. Short of the doctor saying 'wow, your brain chemistry is completely out of whack/you neurons have been horribly damaged in such a way as to produce hallucinations/certain areas of your brain are not getting enough oxygen', then he need not continue doubting what he saw merely because it was weird. Of course giant lizard men flying space ships are possible. Hell, giant monkey men flying space ships exist, so who knows what the heck is out there.

but it is you, not I, attempting to postulate that someone else "needs" to see one.

And you are equally convinced that he does not need to see one. We are both equally qualifed, certainly you are not more qualified than I so mere opinion can't make a difference here. It doesn't matter that I suggest he should see one whereas you say he need not. You are making a conclusion, based on your knowledge. So am I. We have reached different conclusions. If mine are invalid because of lack of accredition, then so are yours.

Do you not understand the fact that I'm not a licesned professional has no bearing whatsoever on the fact you are not qualified to hand out such advice?

Uhm, you do realize that the reverse applies, right?


lizzardsamuk
Indeed, im already being discouraged by my own kind.....

You've melted down at the first signal of critical analysis, you haven't been 'rejected', you blew up.



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