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Tower block on fire in London

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posted on Jun, 16 2017 @ 01:18 PM
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I saw him on the BBC today, he was a guest. Loved what he had to say then too. He's a great spokesperson for this . I think he's a film maker.

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posted on Jun, 16 2017 @ 01:27 PM
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Protesters storm City Hall





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posted on Jun, 16 2017 @ 01:58 PM
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originally posted by: carewemust
Do they make quick deploying parachute gliders? If so, they're a must-have for high-rise residents.


Even a glide suit requires a parachute. Your parachute would require 1 square meter per kilogram of weight (adult human = 82 kilograms). You need to be at least 500 meters above ground for a parachute to deploy successfully and deaccelerate.

Even giant air bags used for visual effects could really only be used one per person.

There had been ideas in the past (1970's) for inflatable helter skelter chutes that could be transported by helicopters. Imagine a giant slinky wrapped in PVC and flown by helicopter to the top of a building. It is released and a whole set of spiral levels drop down to each floor level. People just climb out of windows and into the holes at the side.



posted on Jun, 16 2017 @ 03:38 PM
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Some of the Victims



posted on Jun, 16 2017 @ 03:41 PM
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a reply to: stormcell

Sounds like a pretty complicated slinky and rather hard to attach to a burning building.

Plus chances are in this nation it would probobly be made of something flammable.

Best way to protect such structures is to ingress to a fireproof/smoke proof area/stairwell and begin or await evacuation instructions.

That being said the area actually needs to be fireproof and not fill will poisonous fumes or reach temperatures upwards of 1000 degrees.



posted on Jun, 16 2017 @ 05:07 PM
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I posted this in another thread:

Max Fordham is the one who said you could skip the fire stopping between floors while other work got done. So it's unclear if all the others working on the job were putting them back in


The building services engineering firm Max Fordham was also commissioned as a specialist consultant, according to the report. Planning documents published in 2012 show the company suggested temporarily removing “fire stopping” between floors of the building so as to install new heating pipework. It is unclear whether this happened and the company did not return requests for comment, while its website does not mention Grenfell.


There's a long list of who worked on the job.
Contractors who worked on Grenfell Tower

A case of too many cooks spoiling the broth, so to speak

Building Plans

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posted on Jun, 16 2017 @ 06:31 PM
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Escaping from a burning building not easy - especially for civilians not trained in how to do it

As a firefighter we carry an escape pack in right hand pocket of out bunker gear. Also wear a full rappelling and
ladder belt over out bunker gear.

Our escape pack g=has 50 ft (16 m) of line, a grappling hook and a hand operated descender

We are taught to look for "substantial object" to tie off, if this not available (and usually will not be)
then to lock hook into corner of window sill and then roll out window

Have to push on the hand descender to feed line through device to lower yourself down

Been taught advanced rope techniques .....

Smallest line recommend for rescue is 9 mm ( 3/8 in, 4500 psi breaking), can use 8mm or in real emergency even 7mm

Now question is tying anchor point - Do you know how to do that?

Next need a friction device to slow descent - can use your body, problem is only really effective on slopes, not vertical
descent, also leaves rope burns and is dangerous as not tied to rope, just wrapped around your body

need to tie a harness - a swiss seat can be tied using piece of rope 10-15 ft in length in about 15 seconds

Using a karabiner as friction device can safety rappel

Now do you have the necessary equipment ? Sill to use it? How about doing in stressful situation ?



posted on Jun, 16 2017 @ 06:35 PM
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originally posted by: bloodymarvelous
Phew!

The thread title had me worried someone had actually set fire to "London Tower"! Not just some tower in the city of London.

Sucks for anyone who died. If my house burned down I'd lose all the data on my computer hard drive. Insurance would probably take care of the rest. And possibly provide a temporary place to live? But I don't know that for sure.


Thank goodness we live in a time of insurance!

Are you serious? Insurance doesn't bring people back to life, you are such a material minded american typical.



posted on Jun, 16 2017 @ 06:44 PM
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Some interesting posts are also in this thread here - I've posted quite a bit in that thread about how the contracting tends to work in local authority housing. I'll link to the thread instead of reposting : www.abovetopsecret.com...



posted on Jun, 17 2017 @ 04:17 PM
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So for the want of the merge sum of only £5,000, 58 people burned to death in there own home because TPTB could not be bothered to spring for the fire-resistant version of cladding!

How pathetic is that???

The mind simply boggles at such a belligerent act of depravity.

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posted on Jun, 17 2017 @ 05:07 PM
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Anyone watched DJ Ayla rant ?




If what she claims is true than I am afraid it's more than a incompetency and greed.


I don't buy that this was an accidental fire.



posted on Jun, 17 2017 @ 05:25 PM
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There isn't a cover-up going on, although I can understand why it looks that way to some people. The bottom line is that the bodies have to be identified and the next of kin notified before an official declaration of someone's death can be released.

As you can imagine, in this instance that is a long, gruelling, difficult, and complicated process. Hence the first victim only being named today (Saturday 17 June).

But it also cuts both ways, so to speak. When you can't announce that someone is dead, you can't release a figure for the total death-toll either.

This is complicated by the fact that the media have strict rules about intrusion into grief and shock, and no-one wants to be the journalist who made things worse than they already were, by releasing misleading information and exacerbating an already horrendous situation.

There are indeed many more deaths to be announced. The Government has been fully briefed on the number of bodies recovered so far, and the next few days are likely to be extremely difficult for Mrs May. She's a bit stuck, because she can't say anything and has to watch the death-toll slowly climb.



posted on Jun, 17 2017 @ 05:52 PM
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I personally think that this was a delibrate arson to force May's [read:Queen] resignation.

Other than that you are correct .

500 dead is hard to forget, if true.



posted on Jun, 17 2017 @ 05:53 PM
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started by a fridge that blew up maybe terrorist trying to make bombs and it went off early. This is there own fault for coming to the wrong country. They need to go to place like turkey that can accept them, turkey backwards enough they fit in there.



posted on Jun, 17 2017 @ 05:56 PM
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a reply to: 23432

started by a fridge that blew up maybe terrorist trying to make bombs and it went off early. This is there own fault for coming to the wrong country. They need to go to place like turkey that can accept them, turkey backwards enough they fit in there.



you disrespectfull punk.



posted on Jun, 17 2017 @ 06:00 PM
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That's not very Christian of you.

As it happens, there is one particular brand of fridge sold in the UK which is infamous for exploding - and not as in 'door flies off with a "pop" sound' but as in 'turns into a fireball and takes out anything nearby'. I'm not going to name the brand, for legal reasons, but it's not hard to google 'refrigerator explosions, uk' if you're curious.

Quite apart from anything else, the fire service investigation at Grenfell Tower will identify the 'seat' of the fire (this is pretty much an exact science, and has been for decades), and they will confirm or refute the people who reported a small fire resulting from a fridge explosion.



posted on Jun, 17 2017 @ 06:04 PM
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a reply to: chortled

That's not very Christian of you.

As it happens, there is one particular brand of fridge sold in the UK which is infamous for exploding - and not as in 'door flies off with a "pop" sound' but as in 'turns into a fireball and takes out anything nearby'. I'm not going to name the brand, for legal reasons, but it's not hard to google 'refrigerator explosions, uk' if you're curious.

Quite apart from anything else, the fire service investigation at Grenfell Tower will identify the 'seat' of the fire (this is pretty much an exact science, and has been for decades), and they will confirm or refute the people who reported a small fire resulting from a fridge explosion.



Quite .

I doubt s/he is a Christian.



posted on Jun, 17 2017 @ 10:08 PM
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I personally think that this was a delibrate arson to force May's [read:Queen] resignation.

Other than that you are correct .

500 dead is hard to forget, if true.



As I pointed out - ignorance does not a conspiracy make......

Death toll is not 500, final total , while horrific, will be several dozen

As for arson - looking like case of improperly installed insulation material, material not fire resistant and
installed leaving gaps which allowed fire to travel up side of building

Local council to save money used material not fire resistant - such material as banned in US and Germany for
high raise buildings, badly installed

As it most cases of mass fire deaths (Triangle Shirtwaist, Coconut Grove Night Club, Beverly Hills Supper Club, Etc)
cause is flammable materials allowed to accumulate with blocked/locked exits



posted on Jun, 17 2017 @ 10:32 PM
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death toll is 58 and counting as of now, could easily hit 100.
How come no sprinklers in this high rise?



posted on Jun, 17 2017 @ 10:33 PM
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Was it the same material as used in the Dubai towers that burned?



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