Anti-Sharia marches, counter-protests planned across the US

a reply to: Breakthestreak

Any more questions?

a reply to: heavymental



Why would a person who is not a Muslim but pro-Sharia be ''retarded?"

I am thinking you don't mean to say that from the tone of the rest of your message but it looks like you are saying that.

But being pro-Sharia doesn't mean anything other than you support Muslims right to practice their religion, as it's analogous to Halakhic law which IS actually partially US law, specifically the 7 Noahide laws (because only Jews are good enough for all 10 commandments), as of 1992.

Are anti-Halakhic Jews treated equally in Israel? Nope.

They are forced to pledge loyalty to it in order to return under the return law even if they don't believe in the Talmud whatsoever.

Most Muslim majority nations aren't even governed by Sharia. Only the ones that are bedfellows with the US and agree to do everything possible to make it seem barbaric are allowed to, S.A., Iran, Pakistan I imagine.

Turkey is governed by Donmeh-Sabbateans who pretended to convert to Islam in the 17th century and have done everything possible to destroy it since, Secular and not Sharia governed at all.

But things were SO much better before Colonial oppression and under Sharia than they are today so I would say a lot of lies about it and propaganda against it have been effective at getting people to forget that the Christian Europeans have a history of savagery unrivaled in all of history including a bicoastal genocide of the Native Americans to almost extinction, the 1492 Colon(Cristo-baal Colon was Coloumbus real name)ization that began with the religio-ethnic cleansing of Spain in Europe and continues to morph and pass from Empire to Empire under the guise of spreading democracy. Forcefully converted more than half of a hemisphere to Catholicism, including S. Americans who some of which vanished "mysteriously​" (obviously genocide), Europeans have been guilty of the MOST barbaric acts for 2,000 years just like the ones mentioned now.

The massacre of Jerusalem that is famous for being boasted about by the criminals who did it who reported the blood was ankle deep to a camel or a horse, where Muslims and Jews and Asian Christians were wholesale slaughtered in imitation of Joshua pbuh and Canaan, although they ACTUALLY DID kill every inhabitant, down to children.

So yeah... Ask the Native Americans surviving today what's scarier, whitey or Sharia.

2:256 Qur'an

"There is no compulsion of any sort in matters of religion for the right way stands clearly distinguished from the way of error."

Sharia is based on the Qur'an, forced conversion illegal and can't be made an accusation against Islam as it was a diverse​ Ummah of different religions and Europe had ONE that was LEGALLY THE ONLY RELIGION ALLOWED in Europe and at no point in its history did it not kill people for refusing to convert or persecute out of existence for being even an Arian Christian that denied the Trinity of Nicea.

Killing men of science were standard operating procedure.

Until the science of the Muslims was learned and the philosophy of the Greeks preserver BY ISLAM and translated into Latin FROM ARABIC that also influenced Islamic law, Aristotle especially, Europe lived in a permanent Dark Age.

Back to the Native American:

If he doesn't own a Casino and irrationally think it could possibly replace the Constitution, in which case I don't think he'd be a casino owner if thst stupid but regardless my point is (I know not all N.A.'s are casino owners it was funny because gambling and interest charging are 2 things that would be illegal under Sharia, not Sabbatean Arabia's rewrite of it but REAL Sharia, although I also know they are not bankers but it is a worthy law to mention and would be the greatest single change to US law that could be made IN US CONGRESS, but will never happen)....


He is going to tell you that the white man is far more dangerous with his laws, courts and military might to ever be vulnerable to replacement of their US Constitution with Sharia and that propaganda against it's a diseased blanket... accept it and you WILL be sick.

Hate being the particular illness.

One of the symptoms is insulting people who are clearly more in touch with reality than they are whenever logic doesn't support their misguided biggotry they don't understand even is biggotry.

I don't mean you but I did briefly notice that a few people decided to send comments questioning my intelligence and I am capable of displaying how mistaken they are so I am going to do just that.

Pretty much did. All that's left is more insults but nothing I have said have or would I say without knowing for certain is true, unless I was joking like about Casinos or something similar or made a minor error I am not aware of, I can say with total confidence everything I said is true.

I recommend it to anyone and everyone that they only say what they know as fact and only if you are capable of determining fact from fantasy should you try.

Clearly not everyone is but other than that mysterious comment I think might be you manually quoting someone I would not say that about you from your comment, the only 1 I've read but still you seem level headed, a rarity today, I respect you for that at least, it's all I know about you so all I can say

Yeah I get it,

"Anyone who is opposed to executing rape victims is a Muslim hater",

"It's ok to denounce nazis and the kkk because of their hate and intolerance but it's not ok to denounce Islam and sharia FOR THE EXACT SAME REASONS'

Protesting the hateful supremacist ideology of Islam is not ok but protesting against a policy of protecting a country's sovereignty from illegal immigration is perfectly fine'

'Standing on a soapbox and calling for the execution of all non Muslims is "free speech", calling for Islam to be outlawed......jailable offence'

Don't worry about revealing your IQ, it's already showing.

From the amount of protests and counter protests I get the picture the seeds of social discord are being sown among Americans and that this isn't spontaneous, probably was engineered to a degree.


I just don't understand how you find so many uneducated and miserable hypocrites willing to pretend they know what Sharia is and that there is even the SLIGHTEST chance of it ever having an impact on the Constitution or State or Federal laws in any way.

Exactly what this propaganda and extremist rhetoric from people who do not comprehend the first Amendment or even get that Sharia is not what governs mostly Muslim nation, that Muslims don't want non Muslims to be forced to live under it, and don't as it governs the conduct of Muslims and Christians and Jews were always allowed to self govern according to their own Laws as long as they didn't violate civil laws in the process.

Muslims in America already practice their right to freedom of religion and Sharia is a fundamental part of Islam that enjoys total protection as long as it doesn't violate civil laws.

They are not protesting it's currently being practiced in America which it is already but the idea that it could be a problem and some even believe that Muslims want to or possibly even could.

They don't realize it's practiced by Muslims in America and abroad already and isn't a problem, and that they are protesting the "coming" of Sharia when it's been here since the first Muslim immigrant and hasn't left.

People who still think or say that 9/11 was an act commited by Muslims are the same people who protest Islam, they only say they are protesting Sharia but they are just using people's general ignorance about the fact it's a religous Law for Muslims and not capable of becoming US.

Why would people protest the Laws of a religion that isn't theirs, doesn't effect them and never will?

They would not.

But they would SAY they are while actually protesting Islam and creating tension in commuties using slander, propaganda, etc.

It would have the same effect and does, so it's devious and the best way to avoid being advertised as a biggot and racist because it is a religion and not a race.

And people have been indoctrinated to hate Islam and believe that it's justified because they are "terrorists", when such a small number have anything minor even to do with terrorism which are probably orchestrated by the Europeans and Americans just like 9/11 was, to blame on Islam.

They really did a number on our schools in the Bush years that hasn't much improved since he left office.

a reply to: Breakthestreak


That's a bit extreme.

Who said "Anyone opposed to executing rape victims is a Muslim hater.?"

Islam would bring the rapist to justice and not victimize the victims so SAYING that Muslims do that IS MUSLIM HATING by lying.

And a disturbing example of it more than normally​ disturbing it's extremist propaganda and rhetoric, lies.

Muslims don't execute victims of rape and you are definitely a hater if you think that.

That's slander and that has a source in biggotry, hate

Hitler did the same thing to the Jews, accused them of b.s.

I don't know how that conversation arose but killing rapists us more in line with Islam as capital punishment and only an ignorant person would say that they don't hate Muslims just because they are against killing rape victims, because the association of Islam with a practice so sick and twisted could only come from the mind of a demented human being and that doesn't care one bit about facts and loves only hate and spreading misery.

Not Islam. Another example of how depraved the Islamaphobe is and why they must slander Islam, they are sadists and biggots and those types have never understood the truth never mind spoke it.

a reply to: Disturbinatti

I don't care and I think most people don't care who prays how to what.

My litmus test is very simple.

Do I have the freedom to mock your religion? Can I draw a picture of a prophet, can I put a cross in urine, can I say "Buddah" sucks?

If the answer is "no", then you have a bad religion and I will use my freedoms to mock and deride it.

a reply to: DBCowboy


Mock whatever you want it's your right.


While I am sure you think you have some form of litmus test you think makes you a special kind of genius I assure you there is a big difference between humerously mocking religion, something I do to Christianity all the time and don't care if others do to Islam...

and being a biggot but using your rights as justification for hate.

I do take issue with people who do it just because they hate people that they don't know, a mental illness if ever there was one. These are the slanderers and are the majority of Islamaphobes


Also hiding behind free speech and your right to do something not illegal but immoral for sure doesn't make you good. If someone does that they are just using freedom to justify hatred, which again is not illegal but if you don't know the people who you hate your a biggot plain and simple.

a reply to: Disturbinatti

hahahahaha

Thanks for answering.

So it's cool if you mock Christianity, but it's hatred if someone mocks Islam.




Brilliant.

I appreciate you take the time to answering my question.

a reply to: DBCowboy



Hey it's like they say if they don't hate you yoy are not doing it right because the majority of the world are haters.

The majority evil rats whose love is more curse than blessing and they can keep it. I don't to be friends with KKK level biggots
. It's good to know that evil people hate you, the Trumps and all the racist biggot Islamaphobes out there can @#$ a @#$_&- until they hiccup.

a reply to: Disturbinatti

Sorry to inform you but you subscribe to the politically correct non accurate version of islam and the crusades. There are many books written by muslims that offer a very biased view that is not borne out historically. Either way everything about islam is at the very least outdated and not applicable in the 21st centurty I personally believe it to be the most dangerous force in existence. Why dont you defend the nazis? and I am being serious because any one who would attempt to defend islam in any way is eithe islamic or deluded. I can address your incorrect fallacies later. This is not about ego. I care not about being right or wrong .Years ago I was totally ignorant about islam. Now I am awake to the true and diabolical evil that is excused defended promoted and is taking over the world.

So what I'm hearing from the left is:

Opposing the most openly hateful, intolerant, supremacist ideology that has EVER existed, bar NONE, is racist and bigoted.

No wonder support for leftist views is waning, FAST.

Opposing nazism: fine
Opposing Islam ( which is faaaar worse): racist

Islam executes rape victims for 'adultery' FACT

The left supports Islam.

Go figure

a reply to: TinySickTears Islam means" submit"-not peace on earth good will to men. I believe there are sharia courts in Texas and Michigan they fly underneath the radar. A cult by any other name. Incompatible with western culture.

a reply to: Annee Oh yeah just like other religions. Honor killings, stoning to death for adultery, female mutilation, how is that remotely like the Amish ? The courts are already here, if you cant recognize a threat to your way of life or the Constitution you will pay for it. islam means Submission do you know what that means?

originally posted by: PsychicCroMag
a reply to: Annee Oh yeah just like other religions. Honor killings, stoning to death for adultery, female mutilation, how is that remotely like the Amish ? The courts are already here, if you cant recognize a threat to your way of life or the Constitution you will pay for it. islam means Submission do you know what that means?

Someone has been watching too many movies.

I mean you. Those things are very rare and not practiced today, female genital mutilation isn't a Muslim practice and if practiced is not the fault of an entire religion anymore than the Inquisition and Crusades are Christians

Your trying too hard to make the rare sound like the norm.

Americans mutilate infants genitals without possible consent.

It's just as sick bad but accepted is the only difference and most circumcised men had no choice and suffer from loss of pleasure.


Female circumcision is rare period.

originally posted by: PsychicCroMag
a reply to: Annee Oh yeah just like other religions. Honor killings, stoning to death for adultery, female mutilation, how is that remotely like the Amish ? The courts are already here, if you cant recognize a threat to your way of life or the Constitution you will pay for it. islam means Submission do you know what that means?

Why don't you go ahead and tell me the name of the last person to be stoned for adultery and what part of the Qur'an teaches women are to be circumcised.

I will tell you that it appears in Hadith that women wanted to be circumcised like men and tole by Mohammed saws it was unnecessary but if they want to do it do it you don't mutilate yourself.

Not exactly an endorsement, and not exactly Qur'an.


As a Muslim I have noticed that almost every complaint is from either a biggot that doesn't care about the truth just hates people or is a total misunderstanding because people don't investigate matters but think they know everything.

They are always the uneducated or racist segments of society too. Their arguments are usually lies or extreme exaggerations from a lack of historical knowledge and theological knowledge, lack of knowledge period

I just wanted to say that if you believe that charging interest on loans, gambling and alcohol have any chance of being made illegal which would be the case if Sharia (laughs hysterically​ that anyone would ever thinks this could happen in America) replaced the Constitution tell me, if they actually are afraid of Spiritual laws that have nothing to do with non Muslims, becoming US law or that you have a reason to fear Sharia tell me how are you not a vegetable?

America already tried prohibition and it created rich criminals and the same goes for loan sharking, it would just go underground with Gambling and the country would lose trillions a years.

That ALONE should tell you that it's insane to think Sharia is going to replace the Constitution.

What's hilarious is Halakhic law IS US law and yoy don't know about it because you are busy fantasizing about a Muslim invasion of the US and enforced Sharia which isn't even a thing in most Muslim lands!

Hahahahah

a reply to: Disturbinatti

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Contents [hide] 
1 Hadith
1.1 The fitrah is five things, including circumcision
1.2 A preservation of honor for women
1.3 Do not cut "severely"
1.4 When the circumcised parts touch each other
2 Scholars
2.1 Historical
2.1.1 Cutting out the clitoris is obligatory
2.2 Modern
2.2.1 Fuqaha’ of Islam are agreed that it is prescribed, not an inherited custom
2.2.2 It is sunnah and an honor for women based on sahih narrations
2.2.3 Any of the books of fiqh confirm it is either obligatory or commendable
2.2.4 A tenet of Islamic law, denying it is disregarding the Shari'ah of Allah
3 See Also
4 External Links
5 References
Hadith[edit]
The fitrah is five things, including circumcision[edit]
Note that the rule of hadith dictate that if it is not mentioned specifically or if the pronouns do not point to a certain gender, then the hadith is valid for both sexes. Hence, the following hadiths are applicable for both men and women.
Abu Hurayrah said: I heard the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) say: “The fitrah is five things – or five things are part of the fitrah – circumcision, shaving the pubes, trimming the moustache, cutting the nails and plucking the armpit hairs.”
Bukhari 5891; Muslim 527
A preservation of honor for women[edit]
Abu al- Malih ibn `Usama's father relates that the Prophet said: "Circumcision is a law for men and a preservation of honour for women."
Ahmad Ibn Hanbal 5:75; Abu Dawud, Adab 167.
Do not cut "severely"[edit]
Note that the judgement concerning what is severe is relative.
Narrated Umm Atiyyah al-Ansariyyah: A woman used to perform circumcision in Medina. The Prophet (peace be upon him) said to her: Do not cut severely as that is better for a woman and more desirable for a husband.
Sunan Abu Dawud 41:5251
When the circumcised parts touch each other[edit]
Abu Musa reported: There cropped up a difference of opinion between a group of Muhajirs (Emigrants and a group of Ansar (Helpers) (and the point of dispute was) that the Ansar said: The bath (because of sexual intercourse) becomes obligatory only-when the semen spurts out or ejaculates. But the Muhajirs said: When a man has sexual intercourse (with the woman), a bath becomes obligatory (no matter whether or not there is seminal emission or ejaculation). Abu Musa said: Well, I satisfy you on this (issue). He (Abu Musa, the narrator) said: I got up (and went) to 'A'isha and sought her permission and it was granted, and I said to her: 0 Mother, or Mother of the Faithful, I want to ask you about a matter on which I feel shy. She said: Don't feel shy of asking me about a thing which you can ask your mother, who gave you birth, for I am too your mother. Upon this I said: What makes a bath obligatory for a person? She replied: You have come across one well informed! The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: When anyone sits amidst four parts (of the woman) and the circumcised parts touch each other a bath becomes obligatory.
Sahih Muslim 3:684
Scholars[edit]
Historical[edit]
Cutting out the clitoris is obligatory[edit]
e4.3 Circumcision is obligatory (for every male and female) by cutting off the piece of skin on the glans of the penis of the male, but circumcision of the female is by cutting out the clitoris (this is called Hufaad)
Reliance of the Traveller: A Classic Manual of Islamic Sacred Law
Ahmad ibn Naqib al-Misri
Modern[edit]
Fuqaha’ of Islam are agreed that it is prescribed, not an inherited custom[edit]
Firstly:

Circumcision is not an inherited custom as some people claim, rather it is prescribed in Islam and the scholars are unanimously agreed that it is prescribed. Not a single Muslim scholar – as far as we know – has said that circumcision is not prescribed.
Their evidence is to be found in the saheeh ahaadeeth of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), which prove that it is prescribed, for example:
1-
The hadeeth narrated by al-Bukhaari (5889) and Muslim (257) from Abu Hurayrah (may Allaah be pleased with him), that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: "The fitrah is five things – or five things are part of the fitrah – circumcision, shaving the pubes, cutting the nails, plucking the armpit hairs, and trimming the moustache."
This hadeeth includes circumcision of both males and females.
2-
Muslim (349) narrated that ‘Aa’ishah (may Allaah be pleased with her) said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “When a man sits between the four parts (arms and legs of his wife) and the two circumcised parts meet, then ghusl is obligatory.”
The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) mentioned the two circumcised parts, i.e., the circumcised part of the husband and the circumcised part of the wife, which indicates that a woman may be circumcised just like a man.
3-
Abu Dawood (5271) narrated from Umm ‘Atiyyah al-Ansaariyyah that a woman used to do circumcisions in Madeenah and the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said to her: “Do not go to the extreme in cutting; that is better for the woman and more liked by the husband.” But the scholars differed concerning this hadeeth. Some of them classed it as da’eef (weak) and others classed it as saheeh. It was classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Saheeh Abi Dawood. The fact that circumcision for women is prescribed in Islam is confirmed by the ahaadeeth quoted above, not by this disputed hadeeth. But the scholars differed concerning the ruling, and there are three opinions:
1 –
That it is obligatory for both males and females. This is the view of the Shaafa’is and Hanbalis, and is the view favoured by al-Qaadi Abu Bakr ibn al-‘Arabi among the Maalikis (may Allaah have mercy on them all).
Al-Nawawi (may Allaah have mercy on him) said in al-Majmoo’ (1/367): "Circumcision is obligatory for both men and women in our view. This is the view of many of the salaf, as was narrated by al-Khattaabi. Among those w

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I am not a bigot and not uneducated Probably have more knowledge of islam that you will ever hope for.

a reply to: heavymental



What's your point?

Other than you aren't telling the truth?

a reply to: heavymental



Would you like me to quote the Hadith that says women don't need to be circumcised or should I just tell you that you are lying or misled?

Women started doing it on their own and consulted the Prophet saws who said it was not necessary but if they wanted to just the tip of the clitoris a small amount should be the maximum so as not to lose her womanhood.

Universally prescribed? Do you desire to slander Islam so bad you make up stuff?

Not even MOST in fact it's very rare, women, get circumcised and you are just making claims I can easily refute.

You think about that while I get you a link to the actual Hadith that refutes your slanderous allegation?

Watch your words...