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Ticks and Lyme disease 06/10/17

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posted on Jun, 10 2017 @ 01:39 PM
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a reply to: Meldionne1

49th parallel north, Europe. It seems to be a global problem. Not that I'm glad, it's just a slightly better chance that it will be addressed.




posted on Jun, 10 2017 @ 01:51 PM
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a reply to: tigertatzen




However, something bothers me...particularly the joints, chronic fatigue...that doesn't sound like Lyme. I thought I had the same thing, only it went on for years, and every test was negative. It turned out to be systemic lupus. Lyme disease is not a chronic condition

Yes, lyme is chronic they don't want to call it that because of insurance issues and other issues.
lupus has many of the same symptoms.
I have chronic Lyme 20 years. After positive diagnosis my Dr didn't want to see ma again, he prescribed Doxy for a month and said goodbye.





A working definition was developed to categorize patients with ‘post-Lyme disease symptoms’ (PLDS), those patients with persistent clinical symptoms after treatment for Lyme disease,




Working definition of chronic Lyme disease proposed by ILDAS

For the purpose of the ILADS guidelines, ‘chronic Lyme disease’ is inclusive of persistent symptomatologies including fatigue, cognitive dysfunction, headaches, sleep disturbance and other neurologic features, such as demyelinating disease, peripheral neuropathy and sometimes motor neuron disease, neuropsychiatric presentations, cardiac presentations (including electrical conduction delays and dilated cardiomyopathy), and musculoskeletal problems.

Abbreviation: ILADS, International Lyme and Associated Diseases Society.

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...




f Lyme disease is not diagnosed and treated early, the spirochetes can spread and may go into hiding in different parts of the body. Weeks, months or even years later, patients may develop problems with the brain and nervous system, muscles and joints, heart and circulation, digestion, reproductive system, and skin. Symptoms may disappear even without treatment and different symptoms may appear at different times.

Untreated or undertreated Lyme can cause some people to develop severe symptoms that are hard to resolve. This condition may be referred to as post-treatment Lyme disease (PTLD) or chronic Lyme disease (CLD). We don’t know exactly how many people who are diagnosed and treated remain ill. CDC estimates range from 10-20%. A recent study of early Lyme disease treated at EM rash reported 36% remain ill. (Aucott 2013)

www.lymedisease.org...



posted on Jun, 10 2017 @ 01:54 PM
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originally posted by: Realtruth
a reply to: PapagiorgioCZ

Absolutely here in Michigan we have ticks now where we never had them. It's actually crazy.

www.freep.com...


There have always been ticks everywhere in Michigan....There are ticks anywhere there are animals....which means ticks are everywhere and always have been. [snipped]
edit on Sat Jun 10 2017 by DontTreadOnMe because: We expect civility and decorum within all topics.



posted on Jun, 10 2017 @ 02:37 PM
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a reply to: PapagiorgioCZ

Showering sucked cause you have to cover the site up with a plastic bag and tape the crap out of it. The cef makes your stomach queasy when you first give the infusion each day. But the PICC was an inconvenience really.



posted on Jun, 10 2017 @ 02:50 PM
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For all of you that hate tics?

Make sure you never kill a possum!



peace



posted on Jun, 10 2017 @ 02:53 PM
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I did some research on the bacteria that actually causes Lyme disease. It isn't too bad to kill with certain food chemistry. You need to first eat a proteinase like bromelain in fresh pineapple to strip the protective slime covering the bacteria. Then about three hours later follow up with coconut oil. It has lots of lauric acid in it and if it reacts with the lipidase in your digestive system it forms monolaurin. This kills the bacteria en.wikipedia.org...

If you take the proteinase too close to taking the coconut oil, then the lipidase in the digestive tract if killed by the proteinase. Some papain on your steak will also work fine as a proteinase.

Milk has monolaurin already in it, it is better to have full milk for this property and the monolaurin in grass fed milk is higher too. The cow, and humans, gives immunity to the baby that way. Monolaurin is supposedly heat stable at least above the temperature of pasteurization.

I read some pretty good research on this done by our government and found that coconut oil's properties are accentuated by the pineapple enzymes. The bromelain in pineapple is not heat stable, it pretty much falls apart at about a hundred and twenty degrees F but a little does remain till up to one sixty degrees F Frozen pineapple juice concentrate is active and so does some of the stuff in the dairy refrigerator section made by Dole. You only need about three ounces of good juice and about a tablespoon of the coconut oil later.

Hey, it should work if you do it for a few days after taking off a tick. Some people who make lots of proteinase and lipase only need the milk or coconut oil. But there is no real way to tell how much we make, so better safe than sorry. I like pineapple and I like coconut oil, we stock the coconut oil and also some bromelain pills for my milk and icecream headaches.



posted on Jun, 10 2017 @ 03:37 PM
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a reply to: rickymouse

Sounds great. I thought Buhner protocol is the ultimate "all in one" and I never heard about this. It has to be new.
I'd combine with xylitol to dissolve the biofilm.
What I don't understand is how there's still anyone having Lyme



posted on Jun, 10 2017 @ 05:29 PM
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originally posted by: PapagiorgioCZ
a reply to: rickymouse

What I don't understand is how there's still anyone having Lyme


Because quite simply, it's just not that simple (to eradicate) especially if you are not diagnosed immediately, and too frequently it's not. I am very active in the Lyme community and this disease (and it's denial - even by Medical professionals) is the biggest travesty ever perpetrated on humanity in the field of medicine.

The truth is there are two schools of thought.

One perpetrated for decades by Drs. And scientists initially involved in the early years who somehow gave the CDC a false narrative. Namely "easy to diagnose and easy to treat". Both statements are blatantly wrong unless you acknowledge the "possibility" of Lyme before conclusive proof and treat immediately with antibiotics (and for long enough). Sadly, after all these decades of Lyme Disease, too many Drs. Are still going with that narrative, missing the opportunity to treat when it can be cured.

Second are the Drs. And professionals in the trenches, who have either suffered Lyme, or successfully treated difficult cases going outside the CDC guidelines. These medical professionals have been (again for decades) under scrutiny by medical associations, and the insurers, many of them lost their licenses over time. That is now remedied by the fact that those who actually speacialize in Lyme, do not take insurance - out of pocket for you. This alleviates what appears to have been the real problem (the insurance lobby does not want to be responsible for the exhorberant costs of treating Lyme past that early window, because for many past that, the treatment may go on for years). Within private support groups, all members know to never publically name a trusted practitioner. We've lost too many that way.

Other issues: (I think one can also point to a negligent CDC on this one.) There are still places in the US where the Drs. Are still following the CDC guidelines that say "we don't have Lyme here". For one, we are a mobile society. If one got it in NY and is now in FL, does that alleviate the Dr. from testing or treating? (Apparently it does.) Meanwhile, heaven forbid you actually were bitten where you sought help when they were denying it. No test, no treatment. (This despite the fact that the Vetrinarians were testing and treating it for years in the same place.) Years later, when it becomes critical you will be brushed off because it is just to difficult and costly to treat. The simple fact of the matter is, the CDC can claim none or minimal tick born illnesses reported in many areas (all of which have it), because quite simply - NO ONE IS TESTING FOR IT? Do you see how it was able to progress for decades.


I will tell you most Lyme support groups are long term chronic sufferers with place to turn if you do not have vast monetary resources. They are doing every protocal you may ever had heard of, some under the care of a private pay physician, some doing naturals. Some get relief with different things, nothing, no one protocal seems to be the silver biller for all. (This probably has a lot to do with the state of each person's immune system and genetic factors also. Their lives are pure hell, and guess what - it's been decades - and people are dying. When a new face shows in the group, it's frequently a dire emergency. "I just found a tick on myself or my kid." What do I do, the Dr says wait and see (like for the rash, most people don't get the rash). This person will be barraged with concern, and here it how it goes. "Demand the antibiotic now, while it can work, please don't end up like us."

Sadly, the "bad lyme attitude" (ignorance) in the medical profession in the US is still preventing many from being treated on time (after decades of this game). It's extremely difficult to eradicate after years. Meanwhile, the rest of the world has followed the US. It's in Europe, the UK, & Australia, now and it's bad, they are mostly becoming chronic. The denial is a perfect example of them emulateing the decades long script of the CDC, so now other Countries are right on our heels with the ever increasing epidemic.

I'm sorry I don't write as well as I used to. I'm getting old now and I've had tick borne illness for more than half my life. I hope I have at least sparked greater awareness of the facts of this disease, because it is probably one of the fastest growing infections in the US at this stage, and all I know is what happened to me, just didn't have to happen.



posted on Jun, 10 2017 @ 07:48 PM
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a reply to: Relentless

According to quite a few studies I read monolaurin will kill lyme disease. But you need to lessen the slime on it.

www.ppt-health.com...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

Baicalein is in skullcap. en.wikipedia.org... That works differently.

Now if you have had lyme for a while and it has kind of taken over and done damage, you may need to get the shots. They have been giving the antibiotic shot to everyone who has a tick over twenty four hours now here from what I hear. My granddaughter had a tick for over a day and she got the shot, the doctor told my daughter it is standard procedure now. I am just attempting to give some alternative things that do work. If I got the bullseye rash I would go to the doctor, but around here you get ticks on you quite often if you go outside, I just learned a way to help to keep from getting the lyme in the first place.

Take a look at this. www.yahoo.com...

That medicine is not newly discovered. It is based on chemistry found in celery, it was discovered over ten years ago. www.huffingtonpost.com...

Actually there are two anticancer chemistries in celery, the apigenin acutally works on the same principles as this medicine. Parsley flakes are very high in these anticancer chemistries, parsley is great on food. Remember though, if you juice celery if is very potent, do not drink much of it. Plant defense chemistry is powerful medicine. The pharma companies made this medicine very expensive. The immunotherapy runs about a hundred fifty grand a year. The celery chemistry does not treat all kinds of cancer, but does do the same as the medicine covers.



posted on Jun, 10 2017 @ 09:02 PM
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a reply to: rickymouse

Thanks for this - I'll send it on to my sis who suffers from this.

I appreciate your info for sure!

peace



posted on Jun, 10 2017 @ 10:10 PM
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a reply to: PapagiorgioCZ

Nasty little pests.

People who live in wooded areas and Cabins, beware...



posted on Jun, 11 2017 @ 12:54 AM
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a reply to: hutch622

Shove it under the ticks what? Sounds like its good to know..



posted on Jun, 11 2017 @ 12:56 AM
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Man, I was thinking of moving from the city into the mountains but now I'm not too sure.

I notice when hiking that particular areas are infested with ticks and then you can move only a few hundred yards away and there are none.



posted on Jun, 11 2017 @ 04:37 AM
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a reply to: rickymouse

This aiming at lipid membrane makes my mind roam around many antibacterial fat-soluble substances.
Like cannabinoids! Major immunomodulators. Along with herbs like Brahmi and Skulcap brewed in milk/Coconut oil,Linseed oil,
Walnut oil (juglone) for brain, Avocado oil (unsaponifiables) for cartilage...
BTW. Linseed oil consumed with a curd is said to cure many types of cancer for some reason.


edit on 11/6/2017 by PapagiorgioCZ because: a little improvement



posted on Jun, 11 2017 @ 06:42 AM
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Holy Crap! I just looked into the Plum Island / Lyme disease connection!

That one has all the elements to push my paranoid buddy over the edge. Cold war bio weapons research, sloppy protocols, air dropped weaponized ticks, a project Paper Clip Nazi doing the research, a connection to the Bush family and the Rockefellers. That one has all the usually suspects and connects the dots on his current crazy "Operation Tick Drop" theory.

There is quite a bit of circumstantial evidence to back it up as well. Man oh man, that rabbit hole goes pretty deep. I'm not sure if it's a good idea to let him in on that one (but I will anyway). I don't really want to encourage him, but I'm sure it will re-enforce and heighten his paranoia a few notches.
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posted on Jun, 11 2017 @ 09:56 AM
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a reply to: rickymouse

Well, I'm sitting here with my jaw hanging open from everything you posted. I've been involved in support groups, research groups, activist groups, legal groups & medical professionals in the trenchs on this for as long as I can remember, and I've yet to come across anything you have described (least of all an area where a shot is acknowledged as best practices). What does MI know/have that the rest of us are left here sitting out in the cold. One of the groups I follow, people are posting the rashes on a new bite, and are told GET TO THE DR NOW, only for us to be told, the Dr saw it and said wait until you feel sick??? (I'm wondering if you can tell me exactly what antibiotic is in the shot and at what dosage, because the rest of the world is not aware of a one time prophylactic.

As for the substances you have posted about, how could we not know about this either? The only thing I can fathom is it's under the radar, because it works? (Therefore, people who have the benefit of it do not end up in the groups floundering for answers?) In fact I spent yesterday catching up on research about the ticks themselves - what's new? - and one of your articles describes the Osp's in a way I have never seen before. It just sounds too easy, but I've definately got my research laid out for me today. Do you know anyone who actually used these things?

Appreciate the new insights!



posted on Jun, 11 2017 @ 10:00 AM
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a reply to: MichiganSwampBuck

Let us focus on the future. Like this scientist working on mice vaccination: link

Ostfeld himself is a proof-of-concept for this approach. He has been bitten more than 100 times, and his body now reacts to tick saliva. “I realize when a tick is biting me because I get a burning sensation. It's pretty intense,” he explains. Ostfeld has ample time to remove the tick before it can transfer an infection — if it even survives the experience. Often, Ostfeld says, he will remove a tick only to discover that, for unknown reasons, it is already dead.



An insidious pest is killing about 70 percent of moose calves across Maine and New Hampshire, and their deadly work is being aided by warming temperatures and shorter winters that allow the parasites to survive longer, scientists believe. They are winter ticks, which attach themselves to a single moose by the tens of thousands. Adult females can expand to the size of a grape and engorge themselves with up to four milliliters of blood.



posted on Jun, 11 2017 @ 10:24 AM
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You have no clue! LOL! In all my years of researching and following conspiracy theories, this is the one I've never been able to let go of. It seems so obvious and in our faces.

There does seem no doubt that Eric Traub (Project Paperclip), was specifically brought in to weaponize ticks (specifically) at Plum Island. (Even Borrelia is now known to always have existed since the "Ice Man" info was revealed). How did it go from no one ever heard of it when I was growing up (ticks were just things you saw once or twice a season if your dog ran in the woods), to now you can't walk a few feet without pulling one off yourself? Not to mention the diseases that are being spread so prolifically. How do you explain the epidemic specifically starting where it did (mere miles from Plum Island), and it is now a worldwide phenomenon.

It does not seem to be a stretch that something changed over the past 50 years, and I simply can't buy it is solely attributed to climate change.

In addition, outside of some very radical (but sadly oh too vocal and prolific) factions of the Lyme "warrior's" out there, (as in they have a theory why what I'm about to say is true, their science & tactics pretty questionable to me), there is still a huge question in my mind as to why the big conspiracy about lyme that started very early on (the 80's) and is still not resolved. It is why there is still no agreement in the medical community about the dire consequences, still not put to bed after 30 to 40 years, if you don't address tick borne illnesses immediately, and why so many stricken miss that opportunity and go on to (still denied) chronic illness. I can only hope - my only hope is - in my lifetime, whatever the truth is about how the entire debacle occurred, we get our answers.

As I think I said previously, this didn't have to happen to me. I knew when I got infected the last time (2005) what it was. I lived at the time in a state that denied it's existence (why did the CDC so drop the ball on this?). I had had it before, the rash was undeniable. What I didn't know then, was how devasting and impossible to treat it could become all these years later. I want to point out that I only left FL a year ago, and till this day, no medical professional in the Flagler/Voulusia area would test/treat me or acknowledge perhaps we should look there. The concensus of my PC and specialists at that time I left (fled?), was basically it was time (watching me progress over the years) to admit MS. Smh.



posted on Jun, 11 2017 @ 10:34 AM
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originally posted by: PapagiorgioCZ
a reply to: rickymouse

BTW. Linseed oil consumed with a curd is said to cure many types of cancer for some reason.



I believe you are referring to "high lignin flaxseed oil" (with cottage cheese). I used it back in 2001 on a specific tumor in my dog, that the Vetrinarian gave up on. Nailed it in a month. Didn't help last year though for my pup with lymphoma. Lost that one....



posted on Jun, 11 2017 @ 10:47 AM
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originally posted by: rickymouse
a reply to: Relentless

According to quite a few studies I read monolaurin will kill lyme disease. But you need to lessen the slime on it.

www.ppt-health.com...






Ummm..... this
. ???

www.ppt-health.com...-1-antibacterial-and-viral



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