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posted on Jun, 10 2017 @ 01:32 AM
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originally posted by: mOjOm
a reply to: DBCowboy

Nobody is going against constitutional law. He's not being denied because he's a Christian. His Religion isn't the issue. The issue is his inability to think outside his own religious dogma and treat people equally.


Then his religion IS the issue.


Anyone who isn't also a Christian in this guys eyes is Condemned. They are against God the Almighty. Whether he openly will admit that he holds that bias or not it's clear as day by the things he says.


So? Some muslims probably consider many as "infidels", so we can't elect them now?


To your earlier post. Why would Bernie only vote for socialists??? That would be supporting the same viewpoint that he's Not supporting this guy for. If Bernie was only going to vote for people who believed like him then that would make Bernie into this guy. But he's not like that guy. Bernie actually does respect the fact that others may not believe what he does.


That's bullsh#t.

In my opinion.




posted on Jun, 10 2017 @ 01:34 AM
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originally posted by: mOjOm
a reply to: DBCowboy

Nobody is going against constitutional law. He's not being denied because he's a Christian. His Religion isn't the issue. The issue is his inability to think outside his own religious dogma and treat people equally.

Anyone who isn't also a Christian in this guys eyes is Condemned. They are against God the Almighty. Whether he openly will admit that he holds that bias or not it's clear as day by the things he says.

To your earlier post. Why would Bernie only vote for socialists??? That would be supporting the same viewpoint that he's Not supporting this guy for. If Bernie was only going to vote for people who believed like him then that would make Bernie into this guy. But he's not like that guy. Bernie actually does respect the fact that others may not believe what he does.


That is the response my heart meant to write. You're just way better at it.



posted on Jun, 10 2017 @ 01:35 AM
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a reply to: mOjOm

And from the bases of his faith he believes this to be true, I have no problem with him having a faith and showing that expression (as long as it doesn't infringe on anothers rights).

Yes everybody lies even Christians.

I can only go by a persons word if I don't know their past history, do you have any information to present showing that Vought has used his faith to infringe on another person rights??? Or are you just letting your hatred of Christians cloud your thinking???



posted on Jun, 10 2017 @ 01:41 AM
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a reply to: DBCowboy

We're going in circles. I know you are smart enough to understand what I'm saying. You're just looking for a way to twist my words into something else.

So I'm ignoring your first statement of "So it is his religion which is the issue." Because I've already answered that.

I'm not sure what believing people are infidels means. But if it means that you think infidels are a lower or condemned type of human being then no, you shouldn't elect them. Why would you??? That would be like electing someone who thinks some minority culture of people are subhuman. Why would you elect someone like that knowing the people he'll be representing in his mind are subhuman or condemned by god???

Beliefs don't make anyone better or special. We all have them. Some are good and some bad. Some also are beliefs that are only for ourselves and don't need to be acted on or expressed, especially when they can hurt others.

LOL, what's bull# about that last part BTW??? I love your reply though.



posted on Jun, 10 2017 @ 01:45 AM
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a reply to: LockNLoad

You say you take him at his word, right. Then what about his word that he wrote for that article where he is saying people who aren't with Jesus are Condemned and have chosen the wrong path in life???

Why is that "word" less valid than his "word" saying he believes all people deserve respect???

Because you can't have it both ways. Unless you can tell me how someone can respect "The Damned who chose the wrong God".



posted on Jun, 10 2017 @ 01:46 AM
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a reply to: mOjOm

Sanders chose to vote "No" based on the guys religion.

This is unconstitutional.

Just as it would if he based his vote on the color of his skin.

It's a prejudice Sanders openly stated.



posted on Jun, 10 2017 @ 01:57 AM
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a reply to: mOjOm

Yes it really is possible to "hate the sin" but "love the sinner". I myself believe that the only way to Heaven is through belief/acceptance of Christ as ones Savior, but I would never treat anybody any different then I would a fellow believer. So I am one example of a Christian that believes that if you have not accepted Christ as your Savior you are damned to hell, but I would still treat you with respect. (IMO) This is what Vought is saying.
edit on 10-6-2017 by LockNLoad because: typo



posted on Jun, 10 2017 @ 01:58 AM
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a reply to: DBCowboy

No, it's not his Religion that is the problem. The problem is that the guy can't act or think outside his religious mindset or rules.

Bernie is acting very much within the constitution. Namely the separation of Church and State. Which is extremely important.

We have a secular Government based on Democratic principles. Meaning we base our rules and laws on the Democratic process where all voices and opinions are supposed to matter. (That's the idea even though it's far from how things actually work, but just stay with me.)

Religion isn't Democratic. Nothing about Christianity is Democratic. It's all Top down authority. God's Law is all there is. You're opinion and everyone elses is equal to dog sh*t. Because God is THE ONE Authority and that's it. No room for Democracy there.

Which is why you can't have them work together. You must separate them. We operate on man's Laws here. Which we decide collectively. You can't do that with God's law. All you can do is just follow. No point in voting or even introducing any laws even because none of us are God.



posted on Jun, 10 2017 @ 01:59 AM
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a reply to: LockNLoad

So as a Christian you respect those who reject Jesus Christ and live in sin??? Is that what you're telling me???



posted on Jun, 10 2017 @ 02:00 AM
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a reply to: mOjOm

You're justifying Sanders decision based on a supposition that the person would be biased based on his religious beliefs.



posted on Jun, 10 2017 @ 02:05 AM
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a reply to: DBCowboy

Well since the guy himself wrote an article stating his bias for everyone to read, I wouldn't exactly call it a supposition.

I mean he did write it and confirms that he wrote it and also that it is his belief. What is there to be uncertain about at that point.

I mean he was either lying then or he's lying now saying something different.



posted on Jun, 10 2017 @ 02:07 AM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: mOjOm

Sanders chose to vote "No" based on the guys religion.

This is unconstitutional.

Just as it would if he based his vote on the color of his skin.

It's a prejudice Sanders openly stated.


He voted no because of what his religion makes him do. Big difference.

edit on 10-6-2017 by Abysha because: Goddamn phone...



posted on Jun, 10 2017 @ 02:08 AM
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a reply to: mOjOm

So Sanders is basing his vote on the guys religious belief.

See?

That wasn't so hard.




posted on Jun, 10 2017 @ 02:09 AM
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a reply to: Abysha

Well, we better not vote for religious people then, should we?



posted on Jun, 10 2017 @ 02:15 AM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: Abysha

Well, we better not vote for religious people then, should we?


I'm religious. My religion dictates me to ban guns. Yet I vote in favor of the second amendment.

Because I'm not alone on an island with only myself and my gods.

If I voted against the second amendment and you cited my religion as being the reason you won't support me (because I said the goddess said guns are bad, mkay or something) as your representative, you wouldn't be wrong.

And that's what's going on here.
edit on 10-6-2017 by Abysha because: Goddamn me...



posted on Jun, 10 2017 @ 02:18 AM
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a reply to: DBCowboy

Going in circles again. Let's try again...

If someone's Religious Belief means they believe the people they will be representing are Damned By God, then no, they don't deserve your vote.

Not every Religion or even every Christian believes that though. However, when the Religion itself demands that it's followers believe certain people are "Damned by God, or Condemned, or anything like that" then you shouldn't vote for them to represent those people.

Would you vote for a Muslim who thought all Christians are less than Muslims for choosing Jesus instead of Allah??? I would hope not. Same goes for the reverse of that.

Some Religions are Exclusive. Meaning they condemn those who aren't part of that Religion. Those who follow such teaching probably aren't a good choice when they are responsible for representing those outside their Religion. Does that make sense???

Because there is a conflict there. Whether or not they admit it, it's still there. How can they possibly represent someone who at their core belief are opposed and not allowed to agree with???



posted on Jun, 10 2017 @ 02:19 AM
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a reply to: mOjOm

I do, I may think they are making bad choices in life (but I really try not to be judgmental because God says that it is for him to judge and not for me to judge) I can still love and respect them for who they are and their accomplishments (if any).

I have friends that are not believers and I still treat them with love and respect.

Here's a little bit of personal information I'll share... I have a daughter that I am pretty sure has never accepted Christ, but I love her and respect her as a person and respect the accomplishments she has made, just as much as I love and respect my other daughter that is a believer.



posted on Jun, 10 2017 @ 02:26 AM
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a reply to: Abysha

And that right there is a perfect example of being able to set aside your religious dogma to follow the law.

"Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's." Christians can live in the world but don't have to be of the world.



posted on Jun, 10 2017 @ 02:29 AM
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a reply to: LockNLoad

Ok fine. I'll take your word for it.

But remember this guy isn't just someone on equal ground as other people. His job would be to represent these people and their wishes as an official.

Honestly, had he not fumbled around in answering Bernie's question things may have worked out different. But he couldn't. He stumbled around trying to claim the opposite of what he wrote in that article but couldn't do it. He tried to find some way of justifying his bias toward people which he learned from his Religion of choice.

There is a big push to get Religious Authority to take over Government now more than ever and it's all bad. It's bad whether it's Christians doing it or Muslims or Scientologists, or whoever. Doesn't matter really. Different to some degree, sure. They won't all be the same kind of horrible, but similar. But all directly oppose the way this country is set up to work. Once again, like I said earlier. No Democratic principles apply when Religion takes over. At least not with the ones who are actually trying to take over that is.



posted on Jun, 10 2017 @ 02:40 AM
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originally posted by: LockNLoad


Relivant section of the Constitution is Article VI Sec 3:
..."but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States."



Seems to me Bernie was using that very quote to criticize Vought.

Anyone who says

Muslims do not simply have a deficient theology," Vought wrote. "They do not know God because they have rejected Jesus Christ his Son, and they stand condemned.


Can't be expected to govern fairly in a non theocratic way. It's Bernies prerogative to make that reasonable assumption and vote no.
edit on 10-6-2017 by WhateverYouSay because: (no reason given)




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