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Thank you Hillary Clinton and the DNC...

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posted on Jun, 10 2017 @ 12:35 AM
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a reply to: Abysha

Ahhh.... But you see that would be going by a "voting record" which 'can be' faith independent, and a perfectly acceptable reason to vote for or against that person. Bernie did not do that he voted no based on Vought's expression of faith.
edit on 10-6-2017 by LockNLoad because: typo




posted on Jun, 10 2017 @ 12:41 AM
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a reply to: LockNLoad

Bernie isn't giving him a religious test of any kind. He's clearly assessing the guys ability to see beyond his own religious programming and respect the beliefs of others.

Which he is clearly not able to do because at every response he just tries to hide behind his faith. What he wrote was the fact that he thinks everyone who isn't of his religion is Damned. Then when asked about that statement and his ability to see beyond that kind of thinking he can't and won't do it. He just lets out some BS about "As A Christian. or I'm a Christian, so therefore ......bla bla bla."

Yeah, well to me that's someone who has given up their ability to think for themselves and also given up the ability to both empathize or identify with others, especially others who aren't Christian.

Sure he says, "As a Christian I believe all people deserve respect.....etc etc." But does he??? I don't think so. For one, you don't need to be a Christian to respect other people. But his response seems to hinge in repeating what he thinks he's supposed to say without even understanding what he's saying. He's a religious zombie.



posted on Jun, 10 2017 @ 12:44 AM
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originally posted by: lordcomac
a reply to: LockNLoad

If anything, we should be moving away from allowing religion. It's an antiquated form of social control that promotes violence at best and outright societal stupidity at worst.


You, sir, win the internet today.



posted on Jun, 10 2017 @ 12:47 AM
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originally posted by: LockNLoad
a reply to: dukeofjive696969

You say "gotta love the Constitution" but you don't seem to understand the Constitution. I put a link to the relevant article in the OP.

As I said in the OP it doesn't matter (in the view of the Constitution) what a persons faith or lack thereof is, no government official can use a persons faith or lack thereof against them, as Bernie did.


Could you quote the part where it says that believing in fairy tales is ok for people in power i understand the whole freedom of speech and religion but it has nothing to do with finding a job last time i checked.



posted on Jun, 10 2017 @ 12:47 AM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: Abysha
a reply to: LockNLoad

When a person's voting record is clearly enslaved to their mythological beliefs, it's a relevant framework to base an opinion on.


So we can never elect anyone who has religious beliefs ever again because they're "enslaved" to their mythological beliefs.


Religious beliefs are not a problem as long as you don't use it as an excuse for denying rights or not following basis ethics.
edit on 10-6-2017 by Abysha because: Goddamn me...



posted on Jun, 10 2017 @ 12:52 AM
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originally posted by: LockNLoad
a reply to: Abysha

Ahhh.... But you see that would be going by a "voting record" which 'can be' faith independent, and a perfectly acceptable reason to vote for or against that person. Bernie did not do that he voted no based on Vought's expression of faith.


Did you not watch the video?! It's not any "independent" thought that makes a person say "all these people are an affront to my god and are to be condemned" (paraphrased; on my phone). A person who says that is basing their politics not on independent thought but on personal myths.
edit on 10-6-2017 by Abysha because: Goddamn phone...



posted on Jun, 10 2017 @ 12:55 AM
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originally posted by: Abysha

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: Abysha
a reply to: LockNLoad

When a person's voting record is clearly enslaved to their mythological beliefs, it's a relevant framework to base an opinion on.


So we can never elect anyone who has religious beliefs ever again because they're "enslaved" to their mythological beliefs.


Religious beliefs are not a problem as long as you don't use it as an excuse for denying rights or not following basis ethics.


So people can be religious, just not follow their beliefs.




posted on Jun, 10 2017 @ 01:06 AM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy

So people can be religious, just not follow their beliefs.



If they hold the belief that it's their duty to force others to believe as they do, then no, they aren't allowed to follow that one. Certainly not to legislate it either.

Because we should all have the freedom to believe whatever we want. However that doesn't mean we also have the freedom to act on those beliefs or make others believe them too.

So no. Just because you chose to believe something, doesn't mean you get to act on those beliefs when they conflict with others.



posted on Jun, 10 2017 @ 01:08 AM
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a reply to: mOjOm

Isn't that already against the law to deny an individual something simply because your religious beliefs don't ascribe to it?



posted on Jun, 10 2017 @ 01:11 AM
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a reply to: DBCowboy

If it is, then I'm not too sure how well it's enforced. People deny others things because of their beliefs all the time. They don't even have to be Religious beliefs. Just a belief that certain people don't deserve something is usually enough for someone to try and deny it to somebody else.

Happens all the time.



posted on Jun, 10 2017 @ 01:14 AM
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a reply to: mOjOm

You should re-watch the video, Vought stated the he "believes all persons regardless of their religious beliefs deserve dignity and respect" so it does sound like he can treat others (regardless of faith) fairly, just because a person follows a tenet faith does not mean they can't treat others fairly and respectfully.

And Bernie goes on to say right after his questioning that "this person is not what this country is about" and that he will vote no. The Statement "this person is not what this country is about" is a value judgment that he made based on Vought's expressions of faith.



posted on Jun, 10 2017 @ 01:14 AM
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a reply to: mOjOm

So it's not just religious beliefs but political beliefs as well.

Hell, Bernie shouldn't nominate anyone that doesn't adhere to his socialist beliefs.

*smirk*



posted on Jun, 10 2017 @ 01:16 AM
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a reply to: mOjOm

I don't believe that theological law trumps Constitutional rule.



posted on Jun, 10 2017 @ 01:19 AM
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a reply to: dukeofjive696969

I posted it in the OP but I'll re-post just for you:


but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.


So it doesn't matter if someone is "believing in fairy tales" they can still hold a public office and it is unconstitutional to deny them that office due to their belief in said "fairy tails"

You don't have to like or agree with a persons faith you just have to look and evaluate them on past performance.



posted on Jun, 10 2017 @ 01:22 AM
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originally posted by: LockNLoad
a reply to: dukeofjive696969

I posted it in the OP but I'll re-post just for you:


but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.


So it doesn't matter if someone is "believing in fairy tales" they can still hold a public office and it is unconstitutional to deny them that office due to their belief in said "fairy tails"

You don't have to like or agree with a persons faith you just have to look and evaluate them on past performance.


Your partially right, dude can be religious as much as he wants, but he cant use is position and religion at the same time, religion is a personnal belief, not something you can use will in a power position, pretty simple.



posted on Jun, 10 2017 @ 01:22 AM
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a reply to: Abysha

I did watch it, and he goes on to say he "believes all persons regardless of their religious beliefs deserve dignity and respect" so yes according to his own words he can work and deal with other people of differing faith just fine.



posted on Jun, 10 2017 @ 01:23 AM
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a reply to: LockNLoad

Yet in that article that he wrote, which is what Bernie is asking him about. He states that "Muslims have chosen the wrong faith and the wrong god and are therefore Condemned."

That's what he wrote. But when pressed about it he comes back with "As a Christian I believe all people regardless of faith deserve.....etc." It's a nice speech and I'm sure he's practiced it a lot over the years. But you can't exactly believe everyone is condemned who doesn't share your faith and actually treat them with respect as well. Maybe you can fake it now and then, but clearly your religion won't allow them to actually respect the Damned who refuse the one true God.

But of course for you, the idea that this guy is just full of crap and lying about actually believing all people deserve respect doesn't even compute. Because he's a xtian and they don't lie. But, of course they do and we all know that.



posted on Jun, 10 2017 @ 01:24 AM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: mOjOm

So it's not just religious beliefs but political beliefs as well.

Hell, Bernie shouldn't nominate anyone that doesn't adhere to his socialist beliefs.

*smirk*


Here we go again, db the victim, we get it its only an outrage only when it fits your agenda.



posted on Jun, 10 2017 @ 01:26 AM
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a reply to: dukeofjive696969

And I agree with that, but Bernie stepped out side of that and violated the Constitution, and (presumably) voted no based on Vought's expression of faith outside of the political realm/job performance.
edit on 10-6-2017 by LockNLoad because: typo



posted on Jun, 10 2017 @ 01:28 AM
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a reply to: DBCowboy

Nobody is going against constitutional law. He's not being denied because he's a Christian. His Religion isn't the issue. The issue is his inability to think outside his own religious dogma and treat people equally.

Anyone who isn't also a Christian in this guys eyes is Condemned. They are against God the Almighty. Whether he openly will admit that he holds that bias or not it's clear as day by the things he says.

To your earlier post. Why would Bernie only vote for socialists??? That would be supporting the same viewpoint that he's Not supporting this guy for. If Bernie was only going to vote for people who believed like him then that would make Bernie into this guy. But he's not like that guy. Bernie actually does respect the fact that others may not believe what he does.




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