2017 UK General Election RESULTS Thread

originally posted by: Soloprotocol

originally posted by: DaveEngland
a reply to: Soloprotocol

Who cares? Jezza and the poisoned dwarf in scotland didnt get enough votes to form a government even with sucking up to the libdems. lmao
Lost and thank # coz that ragtag bunch wouldnt get anything done dup/cons will be interesting mixed bag

Your Government has just formed a coalition with the political wing of the UDA and all you can do is say 'Who cares' then change the subject to Corbyn and Sturgeon. Will you be saying 'who cares' when the troubles are reignited.

Though unabashedly Tory, even I think this is bad, bad business.

Things must be dire when I'm agreeing with Soloprotocol on a political issue!

originally posted by: SprocketUK

originally posted by: face23785
a reply to: SprocketUK

I must have a little Brit in me. I understood your point here.

Everyone should have a little Brit in them.

I've been doing my best, but women keep insisting on something called "standards". What? I offered to let them buy me dinner, isn't that progressive enough for them?!?

originally posted by: Kandinsky
a reply to: crazyewok

Hiking taxes looks good and doesn't work. Enforcing taxes is a different matter.

More taxes are collected when the cost of paying them are less than the cost and hassle of avoiding them. There's an entire theory based around this principle and its application, but I've completely forgotten the name

Edited to add: This is going to bug me now. It's essentially a form of cost-benefit analysis but with a silly name. Kaldor-Hicks maybe? Getting old and mentally decrepit sucks

a reply to: EvillerBob

Sinn fein can ruin that majority coalition by taking their seats at parliament instead of being stuborn.
Are you saying you understand a willingness to kill people instead of bull#ting a bull# queen by lying while swearing an oath to her to take the parliamentary seat?
Really?
I'd lie to the queen, ruin the coalition government, and force another election before killing people.
You sound like you support PIRA/sinn fein as well?

a reply to: EvillerBob

Yeah, if tax avoidance costs more than paying the tax then I'll pay the tax.
Tax avoidance is perfectly legal in the UK, tax evasion is not.
No government teaches me my moral or ethical code, they set the law, nothing else.
It is illegal for women to drive in Saudi Arabia, go on defend the moral argument lol

originally posted by: DaveEngland
a reply to: EvillerBob

Sinn fein can ruin that majority coalition by taking their seats at parliament instead of being stuborn.
Are you saying you understand a willingness to kill people instead of bull#ting a bull# queen by lying while swearing an oath to her to take the parliamentary seat?
Really?
I'd lie to the queen, ruin the coalition government, and force another election before killing people.
You sound like you support PIRA/sinn fein as well?

You are building a bridge between statements that are not connected.

How are you equating my dislike for the Tories needing to rely on an Irish party connected to the paramilitaries, with "support for the PIRA/Sinn Fein"? How are those two view points not entirely contradictory?

The point you are trying to make is simply nonsensical. I am glad the Tories won, but not happy that it involved a coalition. How does that, by any stretch of the imagination, equate to me somehow supporting the IRA killing people?

In the words of one of the many great Irish poets, "cuir síos ar an bpíopa crack".

originally posted by: DaveEngland
a reply to: EvillerBob

It is illegal for women to drive in Saudi Arabia, go on defend the moral argument lol

...why do you think I would want to defend that moral argument?

Are you actually reading what people are posting before you reply to them?

a reply to: EvillerBob

I wont search the translation of your allegedly Irish quote but if if you condemn all terrorism then cool.
Conservatives can condemn unionist terrorists, but equally republican terrorists can bring down the coalition government by bull#ting the queen, stating the oath while spitting bile, then taking there seat in parliament and killing the coalition with numbers, no actual deaths, just maths.
If you disagree though please explain why you support or disagree with my thoughts.

a reply to: EvillerBob

Your adherance to law is why.
If I'm wrong so be it, but don't be upset, explain why you think I'm wrong.

a reply to: DaveEngland

My point about Saudi women was pretty obvious, law is not always moral, or ethically arguable.
If you feel the same then we agree.

Corbyn lost the election. he is the leader of the oppopsition, not the next PM who had tea with the queen who agreed with him
May is the prime minister of the UK because she had a cup of tea with the queen and more people voted for her party.
Cry, cry cry cry, cry cry cye, c'mon and cry ourselves blind lol

a reply to: Soloprotocol

You're talking rubbish, the DUP are NOT the political wing of the UDA so either get your facts straight or stop telling lies. I personally know 2 of the DUP MP's and they are very decent people and do not support or endorse ANY terrorist groups!

originally posted by: DaveEngland
a reply to: EvillerBob

I wont search the translation of your allegedly Irish quote but if if you condemn all terrorism then cool.
Conservatives can condemn unionist terrorists, but equally republican terrorists can bring down the coalition government by bull#ting the queen, stating the oath while spitting bile, then taking there seat in parliament and killing the coalition with numbers, no actual deaths, just maths.
If you disagree though please explain why you support or disagree with my thoughts.

The 326 majority is based on the full 650 seats and includes those held by Sinn Fein, so your logic is flawed. If they fail to take up their seats, the number for a majority actually decreases however still not by enough to put the Conservatives over the new threshold.

a reply to: EvillerBob

Looks like the model you were thinking about. I'm skimming it whilst eating breakfast. It goes a way towards explaining the scramble away by those framed to be 'worse off.' The best can rush into the arms of legitimate tax-experts whilst the great create departments tasked with magician's hat fiscal creativity.

I'm not really suited to informed discussion on economics. I have to read the 'Cliff notes' to gain context and terminology. In that light I'm reading around fiscal psychology models. Is it possible the big hitters have pulled a magic trick on government? The onus is typically theirs in relation to deterrence and yet "We'll leave if you tax us," seems to be deterring the government.

originally posted by: biggilo
a reply to: Soloprotocol

You're talking rubbish, the DUP are NOT the political wing of the UDA so either get your facts straight or stop telling lies. I personally know 2 of the DUP MP's and they are very decent people and do not support or endorse ANY terrorist groups!

How many DUP politicians have either been members of the UDR, UDA or UVF...? Do you want to go fact check my question and leave it at that or do you want me to embarrass you.

The DUP have strong links with terrorist groups in Northern Ireland not to mention a very cosey relationship with a Saudi Gun runner. Where do you think the Loyalist paramilitary groups got their weapons from?.

So, who are the DUP.

Theresa May's new partners in government have strong historical links with Loyalist paramilitary groups. Specifically, the terrorist group Ulster Resistance was founded by a collection of people who went on to be prominent DUP politicians. Peter Robinson, for example, who was DUP leader and Northern Ireland’s first minister until last year, was an active member of Ulster Resistance. One of the things the group did was collaborate with other terrorist organisations such as the Ulster Volunteer Force to smuggle arms into the UK, including RPG rocket launchers.

originally posted by: DaveEngland
a reply to: Soloprotocol

You support PIRA?
Sinn fein can end the coalition govt by taking there seats in parliament and bull#ting the queen with a simple spoken bul# oath to her.
...but if lying to a queen is more difficult than killing people instead they seem weak to me.maybe you support them?

Where did i say i support the PIRA?, Never mentioned them once in here. As for Sinn Fein taking the oath and taking their seats in London just to end a coalition with the DUP..aint gonna happen. Sinn Fein do not control the CIRA or PIRA or IRA. If Sinn Fein took the oath all three groups i just mentioned would be back in business in a heartbeat.

A Tory coalition with the DUP is the equivelent of waking up yesterday morning to find that Labour had formed a coalition with Sinn Fein. The DUP are just a bunch of religious bigoted nutbags with a army of religious bigoted nutbags with full on armoury of weapons ready to do their bidding.

Can anyone else in here see the madness of what could be coming down the pike.

a reply to: crazyewok

Crazyewok,

The top fifteen percent of earners are NOT doctors or other professionals like them. They occupy the middle, not the upper class. There are no middle class individuals in the top fifteen percent of earners in the country, and no people who have spent the majority of their working lives on the front line of their industry, in the top fifteen percent either.

This is the most disingenuous thing you could possibly have said about this.

Let me break it down for you.

There is a difference between the kind of doctor you are thinking of, and the kind of doctor who would be drastically affected by taxation such as that which I am proposing and which the Labour Party favour. That difference is that where as the sort of doctor we need more of, those who are dedicated to the NHS as a matter of principle, and are healers because they want to help people, are NOT earning millions of pounds every year. They are making reasonable sums, and doing so happily, but for the problems with NHS funding generally, which, of course, we all want to see changes to.

There ARE doctors out there who would be rather thoroughly affected by taxation of this sort, but they are those who have their priorities wrong, have utterly misunderstood their place in the world, or the responsibilities placed upon them by their training, have made their lives about their bottom line, rather than the number of lives they save and the quality of life they give back their sick patients, ONLY, like a proper healer of people would.

Now, I agree that the top one percent do need to be hit HARDER than the top fifteen, but to say that the top fifteen percent should not have to stump up at all is somewhat ridiculous, given that failing to be able to live a comfortable life if one is in the top fifteen percent of earners, even with an increased tax burden, means that people in the top fifteen percent must have significant issues living within their means, despite those means being absolutely enormous when compared to the means of practically everyone else. Basically, if the top fifteen percent of people are going to have a problem paying this tax, they obviously have made some seriously imprudent life choices, that they may need to reconsider, before moving ahead with any property plans they might have, or the purchase of their next golfing wagon, chelsea tractor, or other status symbol purchase.

And of course, I agree with clamping down on tax avoidance, but I would caution you that the main perpetrators of that sort of crime, occupy the very segment of the population which would be affected by the tax on the top fifteen percent of earners anyway, because no one else can afford an accountant good enough to hide taxable assets from the taxman. I can assure you that the folk on the corner of my street can hide precisely bugger all from the government, because they have bugger all.

Your doctors, lawyers, accountants themselves, business tycoons, footballers and other professional sportspersons, Lords, Ladies and other socialites however, can afford the money to hide their assets from the government, and it is these individuals and the companies who also commit industrial scale fraud against our government, who will need to be slapped by the government for essentially theft from the public purse.

There is no need to cut aid. If this country were getting all its people are owed in tax, rather than having it hidden by dodgy accountants, bad practices and offshore banks, then we could afford all the aid, all the government lead programs, the nationalisation of our infrastructure and posh barbecue parties all in one budget.

After reading a bit about them, I can't see May lasting even if she does align with the DUP. All their religious baggage re gay marriage and creationism and such like is only going to alienate the one tory who came out of the GE looking stronger.
Ruth Davidson.
can't see her having a bit of that.

originally posted by: Soloprotocol

originally posted by: DaveEngland
a reply to: Soloprotocol

You support PIRA?
Sinn fein can end the coalition govt by taking there seats in parliament and bull#ting the queen with a simple spoken bul# oath to her.
...but if lying to a queen is more difficult than killing people instead they seem weak to me.maybe you support them?

Where did i say i support the PIRA?, Never mentioned them once in here. As for Sinn Fein taking the oath and taking their seats in London just to end a coalition with the DUP..aint gonna happen. Sinn Fein do not control the CIRA or PIRA or IRA. If Sinn Fein took the oath all three groups i just mentioned would be back in business in a heartbeat.

A Tory coalition with the DUP is the equivelent of waking up yesterday morning to find that Labour had formed a coalition with Sinn Fein. The DUP are just a bunch of religious bigoted nutbags with a army of religious bigoted nutbags with full on armoury of weapons ready to do their bidding.

Can anyone else in here see the madness of what could be coming down the pike.

a reply to: TrueBrit

I dont think you have a clue on what the top 15% means.

Only £80,000 puts you in the the top 15%.

All senior doctors fall with in that. Hell there are senior teachers within that bracket......
Again you want to punnish hard working proffesionals because you want free #. Hell actually its more simple than that........YOUR JEALOUS. YOU are jealous of people that worked hard and made good choices in life, jealous of people that worked hard in school and picked usefull STEM degrees rather than libral arts, your jealous that people decided to work 60 hours a week rather than waste time being political activists, jealous they forgo heavy drinking and drugs to work hard ect. And that jealousy you want to lash out.

Its the same with any socialist or communist. In the Russian, Chinese civil war and cambodia you know who the first people to be linned up and shot? The doctors, teachers, scientists and small/ medium buisness owners.....

Its over £150,000 in which your getting into CEO, banker territory.

Thats the problem with you labar people, you think anyone who is not living in a council house on the dole or on minimum wzge is a rich scumbag that needs punishing....


As for UK foreign aid? Even if we had all the money i the world and every chav # gold we should cut it. Why ? Because harf of it doesnt go to helping anyone.
Take a look at this thread. Billions afe wasted on projects like chinese football teams, Ethiopian girl bands and out right bribes to tinpot dictators. We should not even be funding such non essential stuff for our own people let alone for people abroad.
Again thats another problem with you librals, you through big sums of money at things because it makes you feel tingly and warm yet fail to realize just throwing money at things does not work! You need specfic aims and targets!

I would rather have a foreign aid budget thats half the value but is specific and direct in its effect of giving food, water, clothing and vaccines than the bloated mess we have now in wish most of it goes on vanity projects and giving president for life onga bonga of bongo bongo land a golden toliet and a new lambogini.

originally posted by: Soloprotocol

Can anyone else in here see the madness of what could be coming down the pike.

I think everybody can see it, including Theresa May - but she's backed herself into a corner and is going to push through anyway.

BoJo, on the other hand, is the hero Britain deserves, but not the one it needs right now. So we'll take the piss out of him. Because he can take it.