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California Official Becomes its own Independent Nation

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posted on Jun, 7 2017 @ 09:11 PM
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originally posted by: JDeLattre89
According to our constitution, California has every right to do such as a sovereign State.



originally posted by: BlueAjah
Brown's action is a violation of the Constitution:

"No State shall, without the Consent of Congress, lay any Duty of Tonnage, keep Troops, or Ships of War in time of Peace, enter into any Agreement or Compact with another State, or with a foreign Power, or engage in War, unless actually invaded, or in such imminent Danger as will not admit of delay.

Article I, Section 10, Clause 3


Compact Clause

"The Framers of the Constitution had little difficulty seeing that combinations among the states, or any foreign-affairs activities undertaken by the states, were so fraught with danger to the union, that none should be allowed unless Congress consented. Comparable prohibitions had already been contained in the Articles of Confederation, but the Framers chose somewhat stronger language in the Constitution to assure national supremacy in foreign affairs and in relations among the states."


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posted on Jun, 7 2017 @ 09:15 PM
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a reply to: conscientiousobserver

more like keeping alive a sick wealth redistribution scheme

aka

The Hilbama schema part 2 via emotional manipulation using the media and not global warming, cooling, or climate change. But now they have bounced to hype co2 ppm spikes that are meaningless and are currently at 1/4 the amount used to grow plants in a greenhouse.

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posted on Jun, 7 2017 @ 09:18 PM
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a reply to: BlueAjah

Someone should let the Attorney General know that these four states already did the same thing back in 2005:




Declaration of Federated States and Regional Governments on Climate Change, Dec. 6, 2005, (Quebec, Manitoba, Northwest Territories, Nanavut, State of Bavaria, Brussels-Capital, California, Catalonia, Connecticut, Maine, New Brunswick, New South Wales, Nova Scotia, Ontario, Scotland, South Australia, Upper Austria, Vermont, Victoria, Wallonia, Western Cape, Yukon, Burgenland, Carinthia, Wales, Flanders, Prince Edward Island, North Rhine Westphalia declare their joint policy to combat climate change).


It seems President Crayons let those rascally Kommiefornians do the same thing with the Mexicans:


MOU on Environmental Cooperation Between the California Environmental Protection Agency, California Department of Food and Agriculture, and California Resources Agency of the State of California, United States of America and the Ministry of Environmental & Natural Resources of the United Mexican States, Feb. 13, 2008.




edit on 7-6-2017 by AugustusMasonicus because: I ♥ cheese pizza.



posted on Jun, 7 2017 @ 09:20 PM
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originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: Spider879

They never sent a letter.

All they did was publish it on the internet.






Any citizen of the United States, wherever he may be, who, without authority of the United States, directly or indirectly commences or carries on any correspondence or intercourse with any foreign government or any officer or agent thereof, with intent to influence the measures or conduct of any foreign government or of any officer or agent thereof, in relation to any disputes or controversies with the United States, or to defeat the measures of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.
blogs.reuters.com...


Can we use the T-word now??..



posted on Jun, 7 2017 @ 09:22 PM
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But what about Russia?


edit on 2017-06-07T21:25:13-05:002201707America/Chicago6 by c2oden because: russia damnit



posted on Jun, 7 2017 @ 09:32 PM
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originally posted by: BlueAjah

originally posted by: JDeLattre89
According to our constitution, California has every right to do such as a sovereign State.



originally posted by: BlueAjah
Brown's action is a violation of the Constitution:

"No State shall, without the Consent of Congress, lay any Duty of Tonnage, keep Troops, or Ships of War in time of Peace, enter into any Agreement or Compact with another State, or with a foreign Power, or engage in War, unless actually invaded, or in such imminent Danger as will not admit of delay.

Article I, Section 10, Clause 3


Compact Clause

"The Framers of the Constitution had little difficulty seeing that combinations among the states, or any foreign-affairs activities undertaken by the states, were so fraught with danger to the union, that none should be allowed unless Congress consented. Comparable prohibitions had already been contained in the Articles of Confederation, but the Framers chose somewhat stronger language in the Constitution to assure national supremacy in foreign affairs and in relations among the states."



Being non-binding, this 'agreement' fails to meet the requirements of such in the constitution. The US cannot be held responsible for what one of its member states fails to do as part of a non-binding agreement. Which, that is the importance of the clause.



posted on Jun, 7 2017 @ 09:33 PM
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a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

Can you tell me the winning lottery numbers for next week? You were spot on here, not a peep about your post.



posted on Jun, 7 2017 @ 09:33 PM
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As much as I hate what California has become, deals between states and countries are done all the time. It's treaties that only the Fed can do. A lot of hand wringing for nothing. California can vote different or move if they want. Many are moving. High taxes, 16.4% poverty rate not counting the undocumented visitors (3,000,000) who are for the most part poor, which I think makes California home to the most poor per capita. Progressive is the wrong word. Imagine how high utility bills will be when they go all green. The poor and the fixed income retiree's will be burning candles for lights.




posted on Jun, 7 2017 @ 09:38 PM
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a reply to: BlueAjah

im Californian want to fight? HAHA were so big and have such a diverse population we will have to have our own civil war first before the rest of America can join lol

population of California 39.11 million

population of United states. 321.4 million

thats 12.6 percent of the united states population.



posted on Jun, 7 2017 @ 09:41 PM
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originally posted by: conscientiousobserver
a reply to: Stevemagegod

They have no intent on creating their own nation. Wanting to combat global climate change with global partners is in no way illegal or a sign that civil war is looming. Take your sick fantasies to breitbart where they belong


Clearly you havent been paying attention to the news of Cali wanting to succeed.



posted on Jun, 7 2017 @ 09:43 PM
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I do not see these powers delegated in the State of California constitution.

Maybe I am missing something....
California Constitution



posted on Jun, 7 2017 @ 09:47 PM
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a reply to: Stevemagegod

try to make 39.11 million people feel the same way.



posted on Jun, 7 2017 @ 09:56 PM
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That is entirely illegal. If California wants to cut its own emissions thats ok. Signing agreements with foreign governments is not. In fact thats probably treasonous. Unless the story isnt accurate. I can hardly tell anymore. Nothing is as it seems.



posted on Jun, 7 2017 @ 10:06 PM
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a reply to: pirhanna

Agreed. If the Great State of California wishes to enact its own laws in spirit of the Paris Accord, by all means. A faux treaty with another nation State however is in direct violation of the United States Constitution...not that Gov. Brown cares

Article 1, Section 10 of the United States Constitution specifically states,

No State shall enter into any Treaty, Alliance, or Confederation;

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posted on Jun, 7 2017 @ 10:09 PM
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a reply to: Stevemagegod

Civil War? Why in the name of navel lint would anyone fight to keep California from secession? It increases the Wall cost slightly, and the great inland empire may opt to stay in the Union, splitting from looneyville west of the mountains, but otherwise let em go.



posted on Jun, 7 2017 @ 10:12 PM
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Good, keep it at the state level I say....



posted on Jun, 7 2017 @ 10:15 PM
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originally posted by: burdman30ott6


Civil War? Why in the name of navel lint would anyone fight to keep California from secession? It increases the Wall cost slightly, and the great inland empire may opt to stay in the Union, splitting from looneyville west of the mountains, but otherwise let em go.


Whatever the extra cost would be to wall off CA to keep them from sneaking into our country would be worth the price.



posted on Jun, 7 2017 @ 10:16 PM
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a reply to: burdman30ott6

I think the best move is just wait for it to fall into the ocean after the upcoming massive quake. Or has that been cancelled



posted on Jun, 7 2017 @ 10:18 PM
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a reply to: Mandroid7

Where did you get these "facts"from?



posted on Jun, 7 2017 @ 10:20 PM
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originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

You can lump this non-binding agreement in with the 340 other Foreign State Agreements made by 41 other states since 1955.



Felt like this really deserves a re-quote.







 
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