Beware Parents - Canada's new 'gender identity' law.

a reply to: silo13

Orientation is the attraction. Gender identity is well duh identity. LOL.

Yeah the picture will get better. Apparently you seem to think this is about sex and "junk". Just like the right-wing Christian nonsense that homosexuality is a "lifestyle", whatever that means.

I don't understand why you think the government is controlling our children? Is the state being concerned about child welfare "controlling" our children?

a reply to: Deaf Alien

Oh please, now you're going to start throwing stones?

I said 'junk' to lighten up the post.

And - the 'all I think about' comment is beneath you.

The State isn't concerned about a child's welfare. They're only interested in the State.

If you can't see how 'society' and the 'State' is doing all they can to destroy the family, I can't help you.

By the way - you might want to look up orientation. It has nothing to do with attraction.

peace

a reply to: silo13

Oh I didn't mean you. I apologize. Was talking about the right-wing Christian blogs on this (well some ATS members as well). You have been very civil and good at debating.
Well if the State is trying to destroy the family then I am having hard time seeing it. But then again this is a conspiracy theory site.

Just saw your edit.
sex·u·al o·ri·en·ta·tion
noun
a person's sexual identity in relation to the gender to which they are attracted.

That's what it popped up in google search.

Another edit - I just noticed that they improved the definition. I wonder when they did that.

a reply to: Deaf Alien

Seeking the truth on gender identity.

If someone’s daughter, sister, mother or friend “identified” as an overweight person trapped in a perilously emaciated body — if she truly believed she was obese, but, in reality, suffered from anorexia — would her family and friends affirm her perception and get her liposuction?

Or would they do whatever possible to help her bring her subjective (and mistaken) identity into alignment with objective reality?

Those are the kinds of questions many people are asking in light of the results of a new study done by two scientists — Lawrence Mayer and Paul McHugh — at Johns Hopkins University.

They conducted a meta-analysis of data from more than 200 peer-reviewed studies regarding “sexual orientation” and “gender identity.” It’s been described as, by far, the most objective and comprehensive study on the topic.

Findings?

— “The understanding of sexual orientation as an innate, biologically fixed property of human beings

— the idea that people are ‘born that way’ — is not supported by scientific evidence.”

— “Sexual orientation” in adolescents is “fluid over the life course for some people.”

— “The hypothesis that gender identity is an innate, fixed property of human beings that is independent of biological sex, that a person might be ‘a man trapped in a woman’s body’ or ‘a woman trapped in a man’s body’ — is not supported by scientific evidence.”

— “Studies comparing the brain structures of transgender and non-transgender individuals … do not provide any evidence for a neurobiological basis for cross-gender identification.”

— “Sex-reassigned individuals are about five times more likely to attempt suicide and about 19 times more likely to die by suicide.”

In addition, the European Journal of Epidemiology also recently reported that people entering into a gay marriage were nearly three times as likely to commit suicide than their heterosexual counterparts.

Are these the psychologists you wanted the parents and kids to talk to?

No?

So which ones do you want them to talk to?

If it's a Christian psychologist - you'll scream brainwashing.

If it's a 'Gender Identity Specialist' - I will.

It would be understandable if many Norfolk and area residents found these research results at odds with what they have been reading, hearing and watching in recent years. That’s because the liberal progressive movement has done a successful — yet misleading — job of trying to frame the issue to fit its perspective.

Hmmm, seems I know someone who just said that not to long ago on this thread.

peace

a reply to: silo13

That psychiatrist at John Hopkins has been covered in another thread extensively.
I wouldn't scream brainwashing if a Christian psychologist approach at it objectively.
Would you scream brainwashing if the parents force their gay children to seek gay conversion therapy?

a reply to: Deaf Alien

I'll have to try to find that other thread - thanks yet again for he heads up.

I wouldn't prescribe 'gay conversion' therapy - no.

I've said all along - if the child is post-pubescent and comes from a Christian household - handle it that way, it's the parents right.

If the child does not come from a religious upbringing - head on over to another form of therapy sans religion.

Conversion therapy? No. Informational therapy within the confines of the upbringing and a healthy does of love, yes.

peace

a reply to: silo13

This is the recent one:
www.abovetopsecret.com...
Enjoy.

a reply to: Mousygretchen

Vancouver, my home for the past 5 years - great city and people!! Don't be misunderstood!

originally posted by: silo13
I will never believe Gender dysphoria isn't purely psychological or behavioral induced (and abusive). There's nothing 'biological' about it.

Translation: "I'm an extremely uninformed person who doesn't understand anything about psychology or genetics, and thusly think that it makes perfect sense that a person would willfully choose to be a hated, misunderstood, maligned outcast in a world full of people as ignorant and uninformed as I am."

a reply to: Deaf Alien

Well if the State is trying to destroy the family then I am having hard time seeing it. But then again this is a conspiracy theory site.

I don't want to go off topic but I would specifically note...

Forced inoculations. No spanking, that's abuse! Government officials quoted as saying 'we (government) can raise children better than parents'. Forced drugs for ADHD and all the alphabet soup maladies - which of course can be 'cured' by Big Pharma - doctors are prescribing for your kids. No religion in schools, but rooms put aside for muslim prayer. A child has a right to chose it's own gender before puberty or be removed from the family.

Anyway, I could keep on typing here but again I don't want to throw this off topic so I'll stop.

I'm not up for starting another thread so I'll look around and see if there's one out there already.

DO NOT REPLY TO THIS POST!

LOL! *JK*

peace

a reply to: Maroboduus

Whatever.

You think a 3-4-5 year old should be educated about something they're not mature enough to comprehend and have no tools to deal with?

Knock yourself out.

Translation: Willful ignorance.

peace

a reply to: Deaf Alien

You too.

Oh I see you already posted the link. I was just going to ask for it.

Thanks - take care!

peace

Edit to add:

Great link already!

Do you understand that a psychologist has absolutely no business making a statement in a professional capacity about biology, don't you?

I mean, psychiatrists and psychologists practice soft science. They are simply not qualified to make such a judgement about biological matters, because most individuals in that field lack knowledge of biology, except as is specifically regards their work.

TrueTexan.

Thanks again!

originally posted by: silo13
a reply to: Maroboduus

Whatever.

You think a 3-4-5 year old should be educated about something they're not mature enough to comprehend and have no tools to deal with?

Knock yourself out.

Translation: Willful ignorance.

peace

what the hell are you even talking about? Your reply has absolutely nothing to do with what I said. at all. Who said anything about educating 3 year olds? What in my post has anything to do with that?
I'm talking about your assertion that it's completely psychological, when even the article you linked to says that it's 62% heritable, which suggests genetic causes. I'm talking about how stupid it is to believe that somebody would choose to feel that way and identify that way, knowing that it will make their life a living hell (due, again, to people like you).
Let me guess: you also believe that gay people choose to be gay, right?

dad can I have a tattoo - Not until you are 18 - good parent
dad can I drink alcohol - Not until you are 18 - good parent
dad can I watch porn - Not until you are 18 - good parent
dad can I smoke tobacco - Not until you are 18 - good parent
dad can I take hormones and alter my body's chemistry to appear more aerodynamic because I identify as an attack helicopter - Not until you are 18 - BAD PARENT

originally posted by: oddnutz
dad can I have a tattoo - Not until you are 18 - good parent
dad can I drink alcohol - Not until you are 18 - good parent
dad can I watch porn - Not until you are 18 - good parent
dad can I smoke tobacco - Not until you are 18 - good parent
dad can I take hormones and alter my body's chemistry to appear more aerodynamic because I identify as an attack helicopter - Not until you are 18 - BAD PARENT

So true.. so true.. 😂

originally posted by: silo13
a reply to: Abysha

Gender dysphoria develops in the womb, anyway.

Bullocks.

Or should I say, 'Do you have any proof of that?'

peace

YES!! My god, how are you even discussing this without doing even basic research to know what it actually is?

All recent evidence of post mortem autopsies show commonalities and research now points to the cause as being during the two hormone baths in the womb.

originally posted by: Sheye
Then you should love and accept the different views of conservatives. Conservative thought is not dying.. it is actually getting stronger ... and that is something progressive libs need to accept.

A progressive conservative, I like it. Perhaps Liberals will also like it.

originally posted by: Devino

originally posted by: Sheye
Then you should love and accept the different views of conservatives. Conservative thought is not dying.. it is actually getting stronger ... and that is something progressive libs need to accept.

A progressive conservative, I like it. Perhaps Liberals will also like it.

Regressive liberals. Progressive conservatives.
Hmm. I don't know what to think. I don't know if I like it.

originally posted by: ReyaPhemhurth
What I can't accept in the lack of acceptance that comes from your type.

Careful, not accepting nonacceptance is like hating people that hate. Think about it. It's a closed negative loop. I think what's important, here especially, is patience, tolerance and acceptance. Don't get pulled into straw man arguments or red herrings, they will wear you out. This site is full of threads like these.

What was the original topic again? Canada's new 'gender Identity' law, or was it Bill 89? How are the two related?