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originally posted by: Discotech
a reply to: Utnapisjtim
It was to serve a point to not take it as "gospel"
I see you conveniently ignored my elaboration on what I meant though which is ironic as throw your platitudes about bias around, you cannot use the bible as a historical record
Much like you cannot use Plato's account as a historical record for proof of the existence of Atlantis
originally posted by: spy66
a reply to: Utnapisjtim
If you read genesis from verse 3 and up to verse 8 you should understand that God just created heaven. Heaven is Our expanding universe.
It is stated in verse 7 that God just formed the firmament....and called it heaven in verse 8.
Verse 6 describes that the firmament is in the midst of the waters. In other Words heaven is in the midst of the waters.
AC 27. Verse 9. And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together to one place, and let the dry (land) appear; and it was so. When it is known that there is both an internal and an external man, and that truths and goods flow in from, or through, the internal man to the external, from the Lord, although it does not so appear, then those truths and goods, or the knowledges of the true and the good in the regenerating man, are stored up in his memory, and are classed among its knowledges (scientifica); for whatsoever is insinuated into the memory of the external man, whether it be natural, or spiritual, or celestial, abides there as memory-knowledge (scientificum), and is brought forth thence by the Lord. These knowledges are the "waters gathered together into one place," and are called "seas," but the external man himself is called the "dry (land)," and presently "earth," as in what follows.
As for the firmament, that quirky word rests upon Platonic cosmology and precedence among Church translators-- I'd rather translate it Atmosphere, or perhaps rather Ozone-layer, but certainly not Firmament.
8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.
1. often heavens The sky or universe as seen from the earth; the firmament.
And God said, “Let the (two) waters (or the two seas/oceans, «Ha-mayim») under the heavens (or The Dual Name of God, «Ha-shemayim») be gathered together into one place, and let the dry land appear.” And it was so. [ESV+my notes] Genesis 1:9
The earth was a hyperbaric chamber with a layer of water vapor as an additional layer of atmosphere. Life spans decreased because the oxygen levels changed, requiring more energy to oxygenate cells. Larger creatures couldnt keep up because they needed to eat more. They still expended too much energy to function in a less hospitable environment. Thats why the sons of the "gods" were known for destructive hunger. Giants died, humans got more feable. There was a massive reduction in species and variety world wide. Except the ocean....that change was slower. The earth was like a womb. A temperate rain forrest teaming with life. Then it was hostile....
And preserved by him to every Generation
2Ti 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
Psalm 12:6, 7 The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.
Oral tradition eventualy got written down and codified. Who knows how long it was a game of generational telephone before it became a dogmatic tradition in a religious /historical text.