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Reports of Possible Terror Attacks in London

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posted on Jun, 4 2017 @ 07:49 AM
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originally posted by: Kandinsky


Whenever we know for sure somebody's been fighting for ISIS, Taliban, AQ etc they should be permanently banned from reentering the UK and have all their possessions binned or sold.

We've also got to watch out that we don't become radicalised either. Seeing members calling for the dismemberment of suspects and shipping their parts to Syria is the epitome of being radicalised.


Some other dude wanted to preemptive strike the entire ME lol. Exterminating millions as a price for killing dozens is a radicalised solution indeed.


i like talking to you cause youre being realistic.

of course it is a no brainer that if it is known for sure someone has been fighting for them then # yeah. see you. taking your #. kick rocks.

i agree with the part about radicalization too.
people are idiots for walking about exterminating people and cut em up and feed em to pigs on the bridge. thats stupid

its a hard situation though.
on one hand you want to keep rights and liberties and on the other you need to fix this # now.
the problem is how to do that...

i get worried about sweeps and things like that even on a temp basis. search all muslim homes i have heard someone say. ok. on the surface that may sound good but a lot of those muslims are born citizens. some people will not respond well to having their homes searched.
before you know it cops are on the streets for a month. then 6. then a year.
then you have the uk version of the stasi or some #

im just talking out loud.

i dont know the solution. i do think a more aggressive stance need to be taken but how aggressive and what that is i really dont know.




posted on Jun, 4 2017 @ 07:53 AM
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a reply to: ketsuko

i guess at a slight glance i could see maybe that would throw a flag...
again just trying to see both sides cause i do want to figure this out at least for myself

but there should be a lot more to it
where does he live
where is he from
what is his nationality
where born
who are his connections

you know

throw those 3 things on foreign born ali bin baba and it looks bad

throw them on robert jones from nebraska, mr white bread tornado ally and its not so bad



posted on Jun, 4 2017 @ 07:57 AM
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originally posted by: DAVID64
a reply to: TurkmenAlevi

The Mayor has already pretty much said that these attacks are the price you pay for living in a large city and you may as well get used to it.


Yes, he actually said that.


Seriously?

Well sounds like an apathetic do nothing man.

I live in a large city, in fact, Dearborn/Detroit the largest population of Muslims in the USA, and we have nothing even remotely close to what is going on in the UK.

I'm truly sadden by these events, and the losses for the families.



posted on Jun, 4 2017 @ 07:57 AM
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a reply to: TinySickTears

Realistically speaking, you aren't going to search all Muslim homes and discover all the dangerous ones, either. Sure you might discover a few staging areas. But if you look at what was going on at San Bernardino, there was evidence that the one place was used as a staging area by a community of radicals.

Neighbors talked about seeing men going in and out at all times of the night, but they didn't report the suspicious activity because they didnt' want to be branded racist. So you might have caught the couple, maybe a friend, in a sweep, but all those others? You might search their homes too, but you wouldn't find anything there. And they're still out there. Still are today.



posted on Jun, 4 2017 @ 08:02 AM
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originally posted by: knowledgehunter0986
The goal of terrorism according to the most popular ISIS magazine.


The magazine article says that the objective of taking hostages is 'not to hold large numbers of the kuffar hostage in order to negotiate one's demands'.  

Instead, it says to create terror with 'the language of force, the language of killing, stabbing and slitting throats, chopping off heads, flattening them under trucks, and burning them alive, until they give the jizyah [tax] while they are in a state of humiliation', according to PJ Media. 


No idea what jizyah while they are in a state of humiliation means.



9:5. Then when the Sacred Months (the Ist, 7th, 11th, and 12th months of the Islamic calendar) have passed, then kill the Mushrikun (see V.2:105) wherever you find them, and capture them and besiege them, and prepare for them each and every ambush. But if they repent and perform As-Salat (Iqamat-as-Salat), and give Zakat, then leave their way free. Verily, Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.

6. And if anyone of the Mushrikun (polytheists, idolaters, pagans, disbelievers in the Oneness of Allah) seeks your protection then grant him protection, so that he may hear the Word of Allah (the Qur'an), and then escort him to where he can be secure, that is because they are men who know not.

7. How can there be a covenant with Allah and with His Messenger for the Mushrikun (polytheists, idolaters, pagans, disbelievers in the Oneness of Allah) except those with whom you made a covenant near Al-Masjid-al-Haram (at Makkah)? So long, as they are true to you, stand you true to them. Verily, Allah loves Al-Muttaqun (the pious - see V.2:2).

8. How (can there be such a covenant with them) that when you are overpowered by them, they regard not the ties, either of kinship or of covenant with you? With (good words from) their mouths they please you, but their hearts are averse to you, and most of them are Fasiqun (rebellious, disobedient to Allah).

9. They have purchased with the Ayat (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) of Allah a little gain, and they hindered men from His Way; evil indeed is that which they used to do.

10. With regard to a believer, they respect not the ties, either of kinship or of covenant! It is they who are the transgressors.

11. But if they repent, perform As-Salat (Iqamat-as-Salat) and give Zakat, then they are your brethren in religion. (In this way) We explain the Ayat (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) in detail for a people who know.

12. But if they violate their oaths after their covenant, and attack your religion with disapproval and criticism then fight (you) the leaders of disbelief (chiefs of Quraish - pagans of Makkah) - for surely their oaths are nothing to them - so that they may stop (evil actions).

13. Will you not fight a people who have violated their oaths (pagans of Makkah) and intended to expel the Messenger, while they did attack you first? Do you fear them? Allah has more right that you should fear Him, if you are believers.

14. Fight against them so that Allah will punish them by your hands and disgrace them and give you victory over them and heal the breasts of a believing people,

15. And remove the anger of their (believers') hearts. Allah accepts the repentance of whom He wills. Allah is All-Knowing, All-Wise.

16. Do you think that you shall be left alone while Allah has not yet tested those among you who have striven hard and fought and have not taken Walijah [(Batanah - helpers, advisors and consultants from disbelievers, pagans, etc.) giving openly to them their secrets] besides Allah and His Messenger, and the believers. Allah is Well-Acquainted with what you do.

17. It is not for the Mushrikun (polytheists, idolaters, pagans, disbelievers in the Oneness of Allah), to maintain the Mosques of Allah (i.e. to pray and worship Allah therein, to look after their cleanliness and their building, etc.), while they witness against their ownselves of disbelief. The works of such are in vain and in Fire shall they abide.

18. The Mosques of Allah shall be maintained only by those who believe in Allah and the Last Day; perform As-Salat (Iqamat-as-Salat), and give Zakat and fear none but Allah. It is they who are expected to be on true guidance.

19. Do you consider the providing of drinking water to the pilgrims and the maintenance of Al-Masjid-al-Haram (at Makkah) as equal to the worth of those who believe in Allah and the Last Day, and strive hard and fight in the Cause of Allah? They are not equal before Allah. And Allah guides not those people who are the Zalimun (polytheists and wrong-doers).

20. Those who believed (in the Oneness of Allah - Islamic Monotheism) and emigrated and strove hard and fought in Allah's Cause with their wealth and their lives are far higher in degree with Allah. They are the successful.

21. Their Lord gives them glad tidings of a Mercy from Him, and that He is pleased (with them), and of Gardens (Paradise) for them wherein are everlasting delights.

22. They will dwell therein forever. Verily, with Allah is a great reward.

23. O you who believe! Take not for Auliya' (supporters and helpers) your fathers and your brothers if they prefer disbelief to Belief. And whoever of you does so, then he is one of the Zalimun (wrong-doers, etc.).

24. Say: If your fathers, your sons, your brothers, your wives, your kindred, the wealth that you have gained, the commerce in which you fear a decline, and the dwellings in which you delight ... are dearer to you than Allah and His Messenger, and striving hard and fighting in His Cause , then wait until Allah brings about His Decision (torment). And Allah guides not the people who are Al-Fasiqun (the rebellious, disobedient to Allah).

25. Truly Allah has given you victory on many battle fields, and on the Day of Hunain (battle) when you rejoiced at your great number but it availed you naught and the earth, vast as it is, was straitened for you, then you turned back in flight.

26. Then Allah did send down His Sakinah (calmness, tranquillity and reassurance, etc.) on the Messenger (Muhammad), and on the believers, and sent down forces (angels) which you saw not, and punished the disbelievers. Such is the recompense of disbelievers.

27. Then after that Allah will accept the repentance of whom He will. And Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.

28. O you who believe (in Allah's Oneness and in His Messenger (Muhammad)! Verily, the Mushrikun (polytheists, pagans, idolaters, disbelievers in the Oneness of Allah, and in the Message of Muhammad) are Najasun (impure) . So let them not come near Al-Masjid-al-Haram (at Makkah) after this year, and if you fear poverty, Allah will enrich you if He will, out of His Bounty. Surely, Allah is All-Knowing, All-Wise.

29. Fight against those who (1) believe not in Allah, (2) nor in the Last Day, (3) nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger (4) and those who acknowledge not the religion of truth (i.e. Islam) among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians), until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.



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posted on Jun, 4 2017 @ 08:05 AM
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originally posted by: ForteanOrg

originally posted by: Whereismypassword
Dont know how we can honestly stop this now


Not by tossing away our democratic values.

An observation: we have seen THREE attacks in the short period that ms May (a stark conservative) was at the helm of the nation - it seems that all that square chinned rhetoric of the conservatives does not really help much either. The choice hence seems to be to live in a country that endorses freedom of religion and opinion AND has terrorist attacks, or to live in a country that has no freedom of religion and opinon AND terrorists attacks. For me, that choice is simple: we have always managed to retain our democratic values even though we had to live with idiots that killed innocent people.



We have to look at how ISIS was able to get so well trained and funded and who ever did this training and funding should be locked away in a windowless cell for life


"well trained" and "well funded" my arse. It takes 50 quid to hire a van and another 50 to buy some knives. There is no special training required to drive that van into the public nor to abandon the car and start stabbing innocent people.

I think that we should be very careful not to blow this out of proportions: in a city like London, on average 170 people are being murdered each year. That's 170 too many, but still we live with it and we don't say "let's find the masterbrain that thinks out these horrible things" either. There may well be no master brain .. ISIL would probably claim that Jack the Ripper was their agent if this was the 19th century.

My advice: be vigilant, be calm, carry on. This is gruesome for all that have lost somebody or have somebody in hospital now, but as terrrible as this may sound: on the greater scale of things this is nothing - let's not make in into something.


I was talking about ISIS in Syria and their achievements against the Syrian army



posted on Jun, 4 2017 @ 08:12 AM
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Theresa May says "enough is Enough" but will she do what is needed...I doubt it..

The Police KNOW of 500 ACTIVE plots at the moment (BBC news for the fact), the Police also know where ALL the radical Mosques are, they know where many of these people are and they know what they support. ANY preparation for terror must be stamped on and make it BIG NEWS. Radical Mosques should be shut and levelled, its been found that Mosques that get shut simply get reopened in days by the same people and its ignored, levelling the Mosque stops that from happening.

Shariah in any form MUST be both on a watch list and banned, like it or not, the sort of people who want Shariah support these attacks, my source, actual Muslims who boast of it. Burqa, banned in public places, the reason, its seen by many as the face of radical Islam and there's some truth to that as well. The burqa is worn by women who are supporters of Shariah and the more Wahhabist teaching (ie the man made stuff) and if married the husband can demand she wears it, like it or not, no choice. And as the Burqa ISN'T required under Islam (just a protection of Modesty), basically a headscarf and loose fitting long clothes which cover the arms and legs is all that is required so when you see a burqa its NOT about religion, its about a cult membership.

Lastly, make hate speech FAIR, its totally unfair to lock a non Muslim up for even mentioning Islam when there's a group of people threatening to behead that get left alone. Make hate speech a genuine no no for both sides rather than play the Muslim card. Most Muslim don't like being treated unfairly but when they see these people they want them dealt with as much as we do.

Ban the re-entry of people going to Syria etc, they are now fully trained and fully radical, they are a massive danger here. And one that will get groans but its needed, the voluntary or forced deportation of individuals who came here yet support Terror. And just as much, the PROPER policing of who comes here, get tough on it, no ID documents no entry unless there's genuine proof of why there's no documents. The no documents trick is a well known one to stop deportation, lets not help them by letting them in. And naturally any links to any terror outlets in a straight away no entry just as if found out later its a no questions asked removal.

At he moment we import terror and allow youth to be radicalised here in the UK, the Police know all these establishments, shut them down, drive them off the streets and make them struggle to plan.

This isn't about being a bigot, its about safe guarding the UK from a known threat, these are terrorists who follow a bastardised version of Islam, treat them as terrorists and treat those who follow that same off shoot as potential terrorists, get in their face and make it as clear as possible, you are not wanted and no more hiding behind peaceful Muslims.

And lastly, get straight on to all the Muslim associations etc and bang home to ask them not offer shelter to these people. Demand that they do more outing of them which thankfully many do but some of these associations are as hard line as the terrorists so lets ask the Muslim community to keep doing what they are doing by outing them but really to take it to a next level. One of the problems is that there are some peaceful Muslims who don't like to judge other Muslims because it down to Allah to do that judging, we need to convince these people to understand they are not judging others, but simply stopping bad people killing.
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posted on Jun, 4 2017 @ 08:16 AM
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originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: TinySickTears

Realistically speaking, you aren't going to search all Muslim homes and discover all the dangerous ones, either. Sure you might discover a few staging areas. But if you look at what was going on at San Bernardino, there was evidence that the one place was used as a staging area by a community of radicals.

Neighbors talked about seeing men going in and out at all times of the night, but they didn't report the suspicious activity because they didnt' want to be branded racist. So you might have caught the couple, maybe a friend, in a sweep, but all those others? You might search their homes too, but you wouldn't find anything there. And they're still out there. Still are today.


agree.
but what to be done?

i have a hard time with the belief system of religion anyway....
its so crazy

life is so short man. life is hard.
most people are on some level of struggle. we have to grind it out all day so we can have time with our family. we spend so much time with hate or separation based on what we believe and it is #ing stupid.

i dont get it

look at the pope



wtf is that? its 2017 and this dude is walking around in a gold wizard robe with a staff and a 3 foot hat.
gtf out of here with that #....i gotta go to work i dont have time to worship/follow/believe this crap.

be excellent to each other

lok at this muslim women



wtf is that? theyre wearing blankets over their whole body...
gtf out of here...
i got # to do man

be excellent to each other

i just dont understand all this division

we are all divided and it starts huge
then we divide by race
then we divide further by political affiliation
then we divide into smaller and smaller categories instead of just being awesome to each other for the super short time we have here
life is too short man

humanity is screwed. maybe humans 2.0 will have their # together cause we have a LONG way to go
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posted on Jun, 4 2017 @ 08:18 AM
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Every single person on the agencies terrorist link should be detained and we can worry about their human rights later after all evidence is looked at and the courts do their work

I know why they don't detain them all, they want to keep track on them and potentially find others with surveillance of these suspects but they are playing with people's lives by allowing so many to move freely



posted on Jun, 4 2017 @ 08:22 AM
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originally posted by: Mclaneinc
these are terrorists who follow a bastardised version of Islam


Simply an untruth.

These people are the most pious Muslims you could wish to meet.

Don't believe me? Look for yourself:

www.thereligionofpeace.com...

These are the words of their god. They are not open to reform (even by "moderates"). Explain to me, all that you have written, how that stops anybody, whether they be black, white or any other shade, whether they come from Asia, the UK or any other part of the world, whether they are old or young, male or female, from picking up that book, and enacting what it tells them to do?

You don't need terror camps, hate preachers, this or that. All you need is a Qu'ran. Simple.


Wahabi'ism wasn't formed by some weird offshoot sect of Islam. It was formed by reading the Qu'ran. Reading it, and living by it literally.

It is the oldest and purest form of Islam.
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posted on Jun, 4 2017 @ 08:28 AM
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originally posted by: AmatuerSkyWatcher

originally posted by: Mclaneinc
these are terrorists who follow a bastardised version of Islam


Simply an untruth.

These people are the most pious Muslims you could wish to meet.

Don't believe me? Look for yourself:

www.thereligionofpeace.com...

These are the words of their god. They are not open to reform (even by "moderates"). Explain to me, all that you have written, how that stops anybody, whether they be black, white or any other shade, whether they come from Asia, the UK or any other part of the world, whether they are old or young, male or female, from picking up that book, and enacting what it tells them to do?

You don't need terror camps, hate preachers, thios or that. All you need is a Qu'ran. Simple.




Nope. Pious Muslims were home breaking their fast last night. Pious Muslims don't ply young girls with drink and drugs in order to rape them and Prostitute them. Pious Muslims don't sit at home "liking" IS videos on facebook.


Jihadist muslims kill and rape and glory in all this. Trying to lump them together just means that the real bad hats are protected because no reasonable Brit or Yank is going to go for exterminating a whole religion. Is that what you want? To protect this filth from our righteous retribution?

What we need is to declare war, then bring in war time laws that allow all these watch listed jihadis to be rounded up and questioned, then executed while leaving the ordinary man and woman in the street alone to live their lives and pray or not pray however they see fit.



posted on Jun, 4 2017 @ 08:32 AM
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originally posted by: Konduit
LONDON CITIZENS Had to THROW CHAIRS at Terrorists Because UNARMED POLICE RAN AWAY




Those weren't cops, just unarmed citizens there to help out proper cops. The real boys and girls in blue did what they always do and ran towards the danger, whether armed or not as multiple witnesses have testified.

Pretty awful human being who tried to spin this story in such a way. Not quite the same level of scum that carried out the attacks, for sure, but bad enough I wouldn't ever want anything to do with them.



posted on Jun, 4 2017 @ 08:33 AM
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originally posted by: SprocketUK

originally posted by: AmatuerSkyWatcher

originally posted by: Mclaneinc
these are terrorists who follow a bastardised version of Islam


Simply an untruth.

These people are the most pious Muslims you could wish to meet.

Don't believe me? Look for yourself:

www.thereligionofpeace.com...

These are the words of their god. They are not open to reform (even by "moderates"). Explain to me, all that you have written, how that stops anybody, whether they be black, white or any other shade, whether they come from Asia, the UK or any other part of the world, whether they are old or young, male or female, from picking up that book, and enacting what it tells them to do?

You don't need terror camps, hate preachers, thios or that. All you need is a Qu'ran. Simple.




Nope. Pious Muslims were home breaking their fast last night. Pious Muslims don't ply young girls with drink and drugs in order to rape them and Prostitute them. Pious Muslims don't sit at home "liking" IS videos on facebook.




Does the Qu'ran not tell them to do that also? To Rape and take sex slaves?

www.thereligionofpeace.com...

Like I said, all it takes is someone to pick up that book and read. That's all. All the rounding up and other Nazi related practises does not stop someone picking up a book and reading.



posted on Jun, 4 2017 @ 08:38 AM
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originally posted by: AmatuerSkyWatcher

originally posted by: SprocketUK

originally posted by: AmatuerSkyWatcher

originally posted by: Mclaneinc
these are terrorists who follow a bastardised version of Islam


Simply an untruth.

These people are the most pious Muslims you could wish to meet.

Don't believe me? Look for yourself:

www.thereligionofpeace.com...

These are the words of their god. They are not open to reform (even by "moderates"). Explain to me, all that you have written, how that stops anybody, whether they be black, white or any other shade, whether they come from Asia, the UK or any other part of the world, whether they are old or young, male or female, from picking up that book, and enacting what it tells them to do?

You don't need terror camps, hate preachers, thios or that. All you need is a Qu'ran. Simple.




Nope. Pious Muslims were home breaking their fast last night. Pious Muslims don't ply young girls with drink and drugs in order to rape them and Prostitute them. Pious Muslims don't sit at home "liking" IS videos on facebook.




Does the Qu'ran not tell them to do that also? To Rape and take sex slaves?

www.thereligionofpeace.com...

Like I said, all it takes is someone to pick up that book and read. That's all. All the rounding up and other Nazi related practises does not stop someone picking up a book and reading.



Its a damned book. I know plenty of Christians that masturbate, or covet their neighbour's wives and all sorts of other stuff that their book says you shouldn't do.

This is the 21st century and most people here can practice their religion without being idiots about it. The few that cant, they are the problem and to deny that simple truth is to ensure that we lose more freedoms and suffer more attacks.

Know thy enemy and kill him. Its easy. And the rest of us can get on with things.



posted on Jun, 4 2017 @ 08:42 AM
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Some US politician said words to the effect of "Catastrophe = Opportunity" and I think we can see that sort of thing in the wake of this London attack.

www.bbc.com...


Prime Minister Theresa May has called for international co-operation to "regulate cyberspace" to prevent the spread of extremism.


Why not capitalize on the terrorists' use of cyberspace to apprehend them? Of course, that is probably happening already except in cases where, for whatever reason, they are tracked haphazardly but not arrested.



posted on Jun, 4 2017 @ 08:44 AM
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originally posted by: ipsedixit
Some US politician said words to the effect of "Catastrophe = Opportunity" and I think we can see that sort of thing in the wake of this London attack.

www.bbc.com...


Prime Minister Theresa May has called for international co-operation to "regulate cyberspace" to prevent the spread of extremism.


Why not capitalize on the terrorists' use of cyberspace to apprehend them? Of course, that is probably happening already except in cases where, for whatever reason, they are tracked haphazardly but not arrested.



Its because we are too wishy washy about it. All these people on the GCHQ watch list are there for a reason. Build a camp and stick them in it and tell the human rights lawyers to go do one.



posted on Jun, 4 2017 @ 08:44 AM
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a reply to: SprocketUK

The bible, and in this case the pertinent part of the bible to Christians (that being the new testament) does not tell them to go and kill those who refuse to believe, or force the unbelievers who read either the OT or NT to submit and pay taxes. It doesn't tell them to conquer the world, and enforce your religion over them. To conquer them and enslave them. To take from families of unbelievers the women and children and sell them at slave markets. To chop the heads, the hands, the feet from those who will not accept allah.

No, their holy book does not tell them to do anything of the sort. Educate yourself.

Don't want to take my word for it? Listen to this apostate (apostasy is also a crime punished by only death in the qu'ran also fyi):




posted on Jun, 4 2017 @ 08:46 AM
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a reply to: SprocketUK

There is a pretty large difference between coveting your neighbor's wife and taking her for a sex slave. Just saying. One is an inherently intrinsic action and if you are taught it is wrong, then hopefully you take steps to correct it before it leads you to act externally.

The other is an external action and if she is an infidel, entirely right and proper to further the faith since any child you might sire on her is considered to be of your faith by birth. This is the type of ideology we are talking about and according to this strain, the action being described is entirely right, proper and pious every bit as much as confessing to your priest however many times a Catholic ought to.



posted on Jun, 4 2017 @ 08:49 AM
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originally posted by: AmatuerSkyWatcher
a reply to: SprocketUK

The bible, and in this case the pertinent part of the bible to Christians (that being the new testament) does not tell them to go and kill those who refuse to believe, or force the unbelievers who read either the OT or NT to submit and pay taxes. It doesn't tell them to conquer the world, and enforce your religion over them. To conquer them and enslave them. To take from families of unbelievers the women and children and sell them at slave markets. To chop the heads, the hands, the feet from those who will not accept allah.

No, their holy book does not tell them to do anything of the sort. Educate yourself.

Don't want to take my word for it? Listen to this apostate (apostasy is also a crime punished by only death in the qu'ran also fyi):






Its all just bunkum though. Christians don't practice what their book teaches in general and the ones that like to be super Christians like the Westboro lot or those who like to blow up family planning clinics aren't any normal person's idea of what a Christian is. Its the same with Muslims. Some are jihadis and they are the enemy here. Pretending that it's the whol religion just gives them the ability to vanish in the crowd.



posted on Jun, 4 2017 @ 08:51 AM
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Except a large proportion of the Muslim population subscribe exactly to what I have said.

Nowhere in the New Testament does it say violence is an answer for anything. Nor discrimination.

Nowhere.




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