Wave of UFO sightings in mid-1940's coincided exactly with development of the first nuclear bomb

originally posted by: CriticalStinker
a reply to: nOraKat

Just to play devils advocate (it wouldn't surprise me in the least that we may have been visited).

But this is also the time period we started experimenting with jet engines. Which may have been as foreign to the mind as UFO'S.

Do you not see the immense difference between the two technologies?

originally posted by: Cohen the Barbarian
a reply to: nOraKat

Regarding UFOs and the 1940s, (foo fighters or their analogs) were seen as early as 1941. The first detonation of a nuclear weapon didn't take place until July 16, 1945 (code name Trinity). Granted, a lot of research took place during the preceding years, but UFOs have been described in literature for millennia. It seems to me the connection here is rather tenuous.

If the connecting data is substantial to be many times prior UFO reports, then it is obvious that the connection is anything but "tenuous" and worthy of deep reflection on the also obvious reason why ETIs would be interested in our earth-destroying work in higher physics.

originally posted by: alldaylong
a reply to: Willtell

the US building of the atomic bomb

Will you Americans stop saying The U.S. built the bomb.

You didn't. You where one of three partners.

So the major work, testing and decision to use the bomb was not done entirely in the hands of the US?
I won't mention the incredible amount of money require to secretly build the US facilities that made the bomb possible.

Oh, yes some foreign scientist helped, Hell, even the Nazis helped with their heavy water work, but like with the damned war itself that England let itself get into (twice) the heavy lifting was done by the good ol' US of A. Don't forget it.

originally posted by: mirageman
If this hypothesis is to make any sense then why were 'nukes' allowed to be tested and then used on Hiroshima and Nagasaki in the first place?

Why then were continuing tests made by the 'nuclear powers' and the USSR and China allowed to develop 'nukes'?
Why are tests allowed to this day by unstable regimes like North Korea?
If they have disarmed nuclear warheads then where are the stories from outside the USA?

The argument made is unclear. Are they stopping 'nukes' or are they randomly selective about which nukes are allowed?

When was the last time that a nuke was used as a weapon upon an enemy? And when that weapon was used for the first and second times, was not it considered justifiable under the circumstances?

originally posted by: Aliensun

originally posted by: CriticalStinker
a reply to: nOraKat

Just to play devils advocate (it wouldn't surprise me in the least that we may have been visited).

But this is also the time period we started experimenting with jet engines. Which may have been as foreign to the mind as UFO'S.

Do you not see the immense difference between the two technologies?

I haven't seen many others, that being said, jet engines would appear incredibly foreign to someone in the forties. That being said, I don't doubt the existence of aliens, only question the sightings in the forties.

If UFO sightings and nuclear detenation are like cookies and milk, wouldn't mean they can kind of knew about it before hand? Something like watchmen dr.manhattan and ozymadias using tachyon particles without the plot.

Also the possible fact that these thing can come off a missles during the cold war..doesn't really really come off as some kind of preserver of peace during tense times...or did it?

All the while supposed abductions and messages of possible extinction with nukes are said while these things can accidently set of an attack during the age of advanced aircraft or balistics from red competing against the white an blue.

a reply to: mirageman

If this hypothesis is to make any sense then why were 'nukes' allowed to be tested and then used on Hiroshima and Nagasaki in the first place?

Exactly. With all of the claims later of nuclear missile sites being shut down by aliens, this makes no logical sense. A supposed showing of control and power by ET yet, as you said, they do nothing to stop or interrupt Hiroshima or Nagasaki? With the claim of them zipping around our skies, it would be a simple task of disturbing those flights.

More than 2000 nuclear bomb test have occurred throughout the world. Where was this great showing of power by ET?

a reply to: nOraKat

You have to remember, with the development of nuclear weapons came paranoia. The U.S. began Projects Mogul, Moby Dick, Skyhook, etc. in the 40's to launch Cold War reconnaissance missions. Designed to spy on Soviet nuclear weapon testing. This equipment was launched much the same way as measuring devices for the weather service, except with large balloons designed to maintain high altitudes for extended periods. As the balloons would rise, the decreased outside pressure would cause the balloons to inflate even larger. With the reflection of the sun off the material and oblong shape of the balloons from below, many were mistaken for flying saucers. I believe it's logical to assume many of these new added sightings during the time were a result of these balloons.

a reply to: nOraKat

Why would an alien care if we used nuclear bombs. Doesn't effect them at all so an alien species has nothing to be concerned about over nukes. I guess an alien might want to watch the show like people do with fireworks.

Since the aliens aren't interfering with our nuclear weapons use and development, perhaps they're just here to see if we annihilate ourselves, or ascend to the next level and become a peaceful species.

If we begin directing all our war $$$ to scientific research geared towards self-preservation, by colonizing other star systems, we'll probably get some help from those who have already done it.

Does my view seem plausible?

Well if you discovered a race of primates who kill each other over who's invisible sky daddy is the best and they learned to split the atom, you'd wanna keep an eye on them wouldn't you?

It certainly isn't news that there was a wave of UFO reports during the early nuclear age. There had always been such reports, but the UFO phenomenon really entered Western and especially American popular culture during the 1950s. This is well documented.

Undoubtedly, early jet aircraft, balloons and rocket launches produced many of these reports. The public was not so familiar with such things as it is today. And there were some weird and wonderful aircraft being built and tested back then, too.

Still, this sudden upsurge of interest in UFOs during the Fifties is conventionally explained as an expression of public anxiety about nuclear weapons, which led many to hope that more advanced beings from outer space might intervene in human affairs and save us from ourselves.

Don't forget that the Fifties also ushered in the space age. Space was on everyone's mind. People were hearing about it through the new medium of television, whose purveyors needed exciting content to slake the watching masses' appetite for wonder. The obsession with space was so intense that John Kennedy exploited it to carry him into the White House.

But if space shots were wondrous, UFO sightings were even more so. Isn't that so even today, UFO buffs?

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By the way, I wonder how faraway aliens could ever have detected our puny experimental A-bombs. Not by their light, certainly; the electromagnetic energy produced by the blast would be invisible against the glare of the Sun. In any case the light would take years to reach an inhabited star system.

Alpha and beta particles produced by fission would travel much slower than light and most probably wouldn't make it very far before running into something.

So unless they already had probes within the Solar System, trained on Earth and capable of detecting the blast, and faster-than-light transport and communications, the ufonauts wouldn't even know about our tiny little nuclear firecrackers.

NK has fake missiles but the Russian UFOs are really alien. Gottit.

a reply to: nOraKat

Yes and Roswell is often talked about in isolation and out of context. Leading up.....2 weeks still probably the largest outbreak of UFO sightings world wide besides the 6 day war and Yom Kippur War.

a reply to: Astyanax

Good point.. for the aliens to "show up" so soon after we became nuclear, indicates that they live relatively close. Signs of nuclear activity would take years to reach even closer star systems.

Maybe they live right here, but in a different dimension. That would explain the concern over the human race destroying Earth with WWIII. If we destroy our world, it might not be good for theirs either.

And all this time, we thought aliens just wanted to help us survive because they admired us. Apparently we are a lot alike, LOL.

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: Astyanax

Good point.. for the aliens to "show up" so soon after we became nuclear, indicates that they live relatively close. Signs of nuclear activity would take years to reach even closer star systems.

Maybe they are part of a major advance civilization here on earth. Small to be sure but really really high tech

a reply to: dragonridr
a reply to: Ectoplasm8Ectoplasm8

Why would an alien care if we used nuclear bombs.

..they do nothing to stop or interrupt Hiroshima or Nagasaki?

I replied to this earlier but -

Maybe their objective was not necessarily to save the humans, or to meddle in our affairs.

Maybe the development of the nuclear bomb was a sort of marking point in the development of a planetary civilization where afterwards they are allowed to reveal themselves and do investigations. (Sort of like the Prime Directive on Star Trek.) Maybe they did their initial investigations, expressed their opinions - by disarming some warheads, but then lost interest, or are just leaving us to our own devices.

a reply to: Logarock

What happened during the 6 day war or Yom Kippur war?

Just saw some articles on Vietnam war too - UFOs confront soldiers..

a reply to: nOraKat

Christ Carter says it best.

No longer had we defeated Germany that a new threat started to appear in skys over America. Drawn to earth from the latest threat to humanity, the H-Bomb. Acting as transducers it sent out a signal.

Apparently the advanced e.t.'s are concerned about our self destruction, basically handing us technology, forestalling our annhiliation through their own self sacrifice. At places like Roswell, more importantly Aztec.

What we have now is a conspiracy of men for power and ultimate control of the planet. Driven by corporate greed at the expense of human life and the future of the planet.