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posted on Jun, 4 2017 @ 05:03 PM
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a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

Absolutely agree 100% Jeremy Corbyn should be PM, in fact if I have anything to say about it (which I do) he will be PM.

Of course I know he might not win on Thursday but I will be out there helping the Labour party in my area, I will also be voting.

I have spent so much of the last month on comment boards reading the bile from the other side, people trying to tar Corbyn with the IRA brush, which is pretty ironic given that the man is a pacifist, is anti-war and all round non violent, yet apparently that doesn't mean anything to the Tory supporters because they don't like the way he condemns it all.

The Tories are opportunist scumbags, who weaponise words and psychology in order to enslave the populace to their twisted ideologies, such hits include...

Women who have a third child and wish to claim benefit must fill in a laborious form to detail the circumstances of their rape to receive it.

Telling the country we need austerity and cutting our vital services, school funding and NHS to the bone, when it clearly wasn't needed and none of it balanced the books....the debt has more than doubled under the Tories, LAbour have never come anywhere close to the economic illiteracy the Tories are capable of.

The thousands of people forced to attend work assessments with a private company, who have on occasion declared people fit for work who have dies within days of their assessment. Some committed suicide off the back of how they have been treated by the Tories.

Food banks have become widespread and increased exponentially under the Tories.

Homelessness has doubled under the Tories.

I could go on, I haven't listed sources purely because you can easily google and find the info your looking for, I'm sure you wish to flame me for that and that's fine.

Understand this, I have spent 7 years living with this # show of a government and I have spent so long dealing with this crap I truly cannot be arsed to source articles for you, I'm bloody done with it all.

I grew up under a Tory government, my children have had most their life under this bloody government and we have had enough.

Enough is enough, they need to go, you don't now how hard it is to listen to their crap everyday, side-stepping the questions they are asked, ripping people off and killing people softly.

How you feel about Trump is how I feel about Corbyn, we need change and we should be the country to lead the way to the world, cos currently the US President is snip too.

How dare Trump make those comments today regards Sadiq Khan and our countries will to resist alarm, Trump didn't even understand the context...that is what most of you on here allow to pass for a president.

Whoa, I'm angry, really angry, normally I would go back and edit/delete most of what I have written but you know what...

NO, NO I won't edit or delete, I will not continue to sit and suffer in silence, I am proud to be a snowflake and anyone who feels the same way I do should feel proud too.

Because we are the feelers, those who weep for the selfishness of others, those who can read between the lines and the lies.

We are only great when we learn to share and give, there is far too much take in this world...but there is hope, that hope is Corbyn and I don't give a flying snip what you have to say about it!




posted on Jun, 4 2017 @ 05:05 PM
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originally posted by: 83Liberty

originally posted by: bastion

originally posted by: 83Liberty

originally posted by: bastion

originally posted by: 83Liberty
I don't understand why you guys don't just vote UKIP

Because I have an IQ in double figures

How original. I guess you are not a racist, xenophobe, [insert negative comment] either?
Have you got a more constructive reason or just going to use the same lame tactic as the MSM/other politicians?


It's hard to come up with a contructive criticism when their policies show nothing but ignorance of UK democracy, HoC and HoL - though I will point out the obvious they're a redundant single issue protest party that's only purpsoe for existing was removed when Brexit was voted for.

Can you be more specific please as I see them as the most democratic party on offer. They want proportional representation for the HoC and they want a smaller elected chamber for the HoL...
So please be more specific or I'll believe you're the ignorant one.


Anyone who has spent any reasonable amount of time following politics over here knows why you don't vote UKIP. They're basically a hangover from the BNP. It's racism in a thin veil, as evidenced by their supporters. Any time you speak to a UKIP voter, all they talk about is immigration. "I'm not a racist, but..." types. They're a joke.



posted on Jun, 4 2017 @ 05:08 PM
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a reply to: Freeborn

Yep he did sell out badly though.
If I'd dealings with someone in my personal business life who sold out on me similar, hmm, we probably not do business again at best.
I'm voting for the person in my constituency this time, not the party. It's a strange one.



posted on Jun, 4 2017 @ 05:18 PM
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originally posted by: fencesitter85
Anyone who has spent any reasonable amount of time following politics over here knows why you don't vote UKIP. They're basically a hangover from the BNP. It's racism in a thin veil, as evidenced by their supporters. Any time you speak to a UKIP voter, all they talk about is immigration. "I'm not a racist, but..." types. They're a joke.


Sorry but this is nonsense. You don't vote for a political party because of who votes for them, that's stupid. UKIP actually forbids ex-BNP, EDL and other far right groups from joining as members. While did you know that Labour and other parties have ex BNP Councillors as Councillors and campaigners! Google it.

Most UKIP supporters talk about immigration because it is the biggest concern to them and UKIP are the only party wanting to cut it. You need to distinguish between immigration and uncontrolled mass immigration.



posted on Jun, 4 2017 @ 05:21 PM
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originally posted by: 83Liberty

originally posted by: bastion

originally posted by: 83Liberty

originally posted by: bastion

originally posted by: 83Liberty
I don't understand why you guys don't just vote UKIP

Because I have an IQ in double figures

How original. I guess you are not a racist, xenophobe, [insert negative comment] either?
Have you got a more constructive reason or just going to use the same lame tactic as the MSM/other politicians?


It's hard to come up with a contructive criticism when their policies show nothing but ignorance of UK democracy, HoC and HoL - though I will point out the obvious they're a redundant single issue protest party that's only purpsoe for existing was removed when Brexit was voted for.

Can you be more specific please as I see them as the most democratic party on offer. They want proportional representation for the HoC and they want a smaller elected chamber for the HoL...
So please be more specific or I'll believe you're the ignorant one.


Well for starters Nutall beat up the ex UKIP leader so he could replace him, which goes against everything democracy is meant to represent. They broke eletoral law by lying during Brexit referendum, they refuse to represent the public by not attending or doign their MEP duty but are more than rinse expenses and claim their full pay. £1m bribes to LeaveEU, breach of electoral law via Leave EU and the millions they illegally hide in tax havens including Cayman Isles instead of giving it to the country they claim to care about (£13.9m owed by Banks alone) . Plus they clearly don't understand the constitution.



posted on Jun, 4 2017 @ 05:30 PM
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The left takes taxpayer money and uses it to create national services, once sufficient money has been pumped into them the right sells them off. The elite profit and the house wins everytime because the game is rigged.

It's the 2 party revolving door that has screwed us, not just the left or the right. Corbyn won't bring change no matter how well intentioned he might genuinely be. One day, hopefully soon we'll stop buying into the change porn and hold the entire system to account but it's not going to happen until everyone stops picking teams.



posted on Jun, 4 2017 @ 05:32 PM
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a reply to: bastion
OK thanks for confirming you're the ignorant one.
Unfortunately, I don't have the time or the patience to educate you or even reply further.
Not that you would listen anyway



posted on Jun, 4 2017 @ 05:35 PM
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a reply to: bastion

Yeah, Nuttall is a knob and UKIP without Farage is pretty much pointless.....and even with him they were very much a one-trick pony, but......


Well for starters Nutall beat up the ex UKIP leader so he could replace him,....


A bit of passion, sadly missing in the vast majority of current politicians.




.....which goes against everything democracy is meant to represent.


Whatever 'democracy is meant to represent' was cast aside a long time ago.



They broke eletoral law by lying during Brexit referendum,....


How?
And as far as I recall so did pretty much everyone involved regardless of viewpoint.



.....they refuse to represent the public by not attending or doign their MEP duty....



I'm certain I've watched lots of video's of Farage speaking in the European Parliament?



..... but are more than rinse expenses and claim their full pay.


Getting paid for doing nothing and fiddling expenses is just the norm for politicians of ALL parties isn't it?



£1m bribes to LeaveEU, breach of electoral law via Leave EU and the millions they illegally hide in tax havens including Cayman Isles instead of giving it to the country they claim to care about (£13.9m owed by Banks alone) .


Please elaborate, and provide sources....but let's face it, they're all a bunch of self-serving, self-advancing, profiteering and amoral con merchants aren't they?
To single out UKIP for all these is really quite unfair.



Plus they clearly don't understand the constitution.


Err, well I've got say neither do you because we haven't got one!


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posted on Jun, 4 2017 @ 06:36 PM
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a reply to: Freeborn
Couldn't agree more with your first two points.


Made a cut and paste error in the breaking electoral law line, it should have been the start of the Leave para

The wikileaks Panama Papers revealed their holdings in Cayman and laundering of donations to LeaveEU, can't link to the doc on here but here's an article (link to the paper included) - appologies my figures were wrong, it was in fact far more they laundered - www.theguardian.com...

We have a UK Constitution, it's the oldest in the world, we praticallly invented them. Admittedly it's very confusing (nearly 10,000 versions) as it's uncodified as we're the only nation that has never had to write one (due to invasion, revolution, independence etc, drawn from various sources such as the magna carta, articles, acts of parliament - I had to study it to become accreditted as a journo (like a blind man watching paint dry) but there's a good, clear write up on it here (not trying to call your intelligence into question, just most are pure legalise that's unreadable): www.ucl.ac.uk...

Agreed I am unfairly singling them out though and are by no means the only guilty party.



posted on Jun, 4 2017 @ 07:19 PM
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originally posted by: paraphi
a reply to: bastion

You got an electronic link to all these Tory donors? Political parties have to declare donations from companies and individulas. I provided a links to donors, including the Electoral Commission who compile and publish such information.

Electoral Commission

Perhaps you can cross reference your sources with the official record. If you think the official record is wrong, perhaps you should inform the Commission.

Also interested in the "media buyouts" you refer to since the election was called.


Here it is from the horses mouth - ex Treasurer Peter Crudas detailed how it worked to undercover reporters here: Detailing how £250,000 donation would grant confidential meetings with Cameron and Osbourne
"You will be able to ask him [Mr Cameron] practically any question you want. If you're unhappy about something, we will listen to you and put it into the policy committee at number 10 - we feed all feedback to the policy committee."



Here's a Torygraph article, grauniad one hass more details (full seating plan) but makes some reaches - the info was kept off the official record and names were kept secret for a few years despite being widely known about in journo/whitehall circles - the club was split into three tiers, a £10,000 donation, £50,000 granted one on one meetings with Cameron twice a year in No. 10 www.thebureauinvestigates.com...

The leaked seating plan for one of the dinners reveals some names and how a £12,000 donation granted access to dine with cabinet ministers including the prime minister, home secretary and defence secretary as well as the secretaries of state for health, transport, culture and justice. www.theguardian.com...

Wee bit of secret journo info - the official record is a joke and open to abuse.
To find out the real donor record you have to gather all names and companies listed on the official record and then cross reference theses with companies house, then feed the registration numbers into the EC database and finally eliminate unincorporated associates before launching an investigation into the remainding group/person to find out how much they illegally donated and avoid false accusations if their donation was under the declaration threshold. The same tactic is how investigative journalists (and the public if they wish to) uncover corruption.
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The Media ownership figure, details and issue are covered here - www.mediareform.org.uk... Who owns the UK media – report plus appendix (2015) www.mediareform.org.uk/.../Who_owns_the_UK_media-report_plus_appendix1.pdf

JP, TMG, Garret and Tindle have been on rampage buying up newspapers in the last couple of years (ever since the internet became news medium of choice and papers had to charge less than it cost to write the newspaper to compete) and their market share has gone from 62% to 79% last year. However that figure may not be 100% accurate as companies house press regulations mean newspapers with less than 40 staff aren't listed - cutbacks are so savage TMG refuse to heat their offices in winter (winter gloves and typos make close friends), loads of journos quit as there's no funding for good stories and there's no shortage of gullible interns who will write for free indefinitely to build their portfolio.
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posted on Jun, 5 2017 @ 05:15 AM
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originally posted by: fencesitter85

originally posted by: 83Liberty

originally posted by: bastion

originally posted by: 83Liberty

originally posted by: bastion

originally posted by: 83Liberty
I don't understand why you guys don't just vote UKIP

Because I have an IQ in double figures

How original. I guess you are not a racist, xenophobe, [insert negative comment] either?
Have you got a more constructive reason or just going to use the same lame tactic as the MSM/other politicians?



It's hard to come up with a contructive criticism when their policies show nothing but ignorance of UK democracy, HoC and HoL - though I will point out the obvious they're a redundant single issue protest party that's only purpsoe for existing was removed when Brexit was voted for.

Can you be more specific please as I see them as the most democratic party on offer. They want proportional representation for the HoC and they want a smaller elected chamber for the HoL...
So please be more specific or I'll believe you're the ignorant one.


Anyone who has spent any reasonable amount of time following politics over here knows why you don't vote UKIP. They're basically a hangover from the BNP. It's racism in a thin veil, as evidenced by their supporters. Any time you speak to a UKIP voter, all they talk about is immigration. "I'm not a racist, but..." types. They're a joke.


I won't be voting UKIP, but your comment does not help to educate people about the party. You have clearly not spent enough time following politics (as you mention) and you have spent too much time reading The Guardian.

UKIP 2017 Manifesto:



-Raise the personal tax allowance to at least £13,000, taking those on minimum wage out of tax altogether
- Raise the threshold for paying 40% tax to £55,000 and introduce a new 30% intermediate rate on earnings between £45,300 and £55,000
-Abolish inheritance tax
-Increase the transferable tax allowance for married couples to £1,500
-Ensure big corporations pay their fair share of tax
-Remove VAT from listed building repairs and sanitary products.

No racism yet.



-Leave the EU and take back control of our borders
-End immigration for unskilled jobs for a five-year period to re-balance our work economy
-Introduce an Australian-style points-based immigration system to assess all potential migrants to Britain on a fair, ethical and equal basis
-Tackle the problem of sham marriages
-Introduce a new visa system for workers, visitors, students, families and asylum seekers
-End access to benefits and free NHS treatment for new immigrants until they have paid tax and NI for five years
-Require all visitors and new immigrants to the UK to have their own health insurance.

A mention of immigration in a non-racist way. I repeat - adults can talk about the negative impacts of immigration and defects in our system without being racist.



-Fund 20,000 more nurses, 8,000 more GPs and 3,000 more midwives
-Invest an extra £1.5 billion into mental health and dementia services over the next five years
-Scrap hospital parking charges
-End ‘health tourism’ by making sure those ineligible for free NHS care pay for treatment
-Replace Monitor and the CQC with powerful new County Health Boards to drive up standards.

You might have to help me here, I'm not seeing the obvious which those who follow politics should easily see...



-Integrate health and social care and bring both under the control of the NHS
-Increase social care funding in total by £5.2 billion between 2015 and 2020
-Promise to invest any tax profits from ‘fracking’ into setting up a Sovereign Wealth Fund to pay for elderly care
-Protect services such as day care centres, home care and Meals on Wheels
-Abolish the practice of arranging home-care visits in 15-minute windows
-Keep the current free bus pass, winter fuel allowance, free TV licence and free prescriptions and eye test schemes for all pensioners, without means testing.


So far we have reasonable policies which address any of what the general public call for when addressing reasons behind the massive democratic deficit we experience today.

As I typed earlier - I won't be voting UKIP but people deserve truth and facts... not your 'intelligent' opinion.

Source - UKIP Manifesto






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posted on Jun, 5 2017 @ 05:33 AM
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Yes, I agree. UKIP get a hard time in the press and from others, but they are not a racist party. Their anti-immigration message is also not racist. Ignorance is bliss for some people.

While I do feel that I will vote UKIP, they do have some worthwhile policies, some of which have chimed with traditional Labour supporters, like the working class. The so called "working class" have been directly impacted by uncontrolled immigration, so their opinion and views are important, although useful to note that the Labour manifesto offers little consolation on that front.



posted on Jun, 5 2017 @ 06:22 AM
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Another term of office for May and her cronies effectively means the total privatisation of the NHS,
our education system being sold off,
and many more children in poverty along with more deaths of disabled people. Also many more wars.
How can anyone bring themselves to vote for that crap?

May supported all of the recent wars, Iraq, Libya. This has caused an influx of refugees and a hatred from innocents being killed.
May has cut the police and other emergency services drastically, leaving us wide open for attack.

All you Tories here claim that Corbyn is unpatriotic, yet under Tory rule they have completely asset stripped the British people of all primary services and wealth. They are owned by the Chinese and Russians!

You are quoting Tory backed newspapers for your information and not only that seem to believe every word of it!
Your arguments are unconvincing at best and shows the domination over the British media that they have.
Corbyn has been a target of a sustained attack that no other party leader has ever had in the past.

I really despair, we have to get the Tories out now or this country will get so much poorer.



posted on Jun, 5 2017 @ 06:44 AM
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Thank you And14263 and Papaphi for being adults and having a proper intelligent discussion. I was beginning to lose faith in the people on this site. Good to know there are people who can have a discussion without resorting to lies, spin, name calling and general biased 'opinions'.



posted on Jun, 5 2017 @ 06:51 AM
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It really is a rock and a hard place.

A lot of what JC stands for is exactly what I want.

The baggage that comes with it though, is just unbearable.

A Labour government will resist the wish to target the people who wish us harm to such an extent that anything they do will be targeted at all of us, removing all our freedoms and liberties in the interests of equality.

They will definitely shove us back into the EU through the back door.

They'll reduce our military to something that resembles the Swiss guard in the Vatican
and every penny extra spent on schools and the NHS will be swallowed up by the costs of paying back the extra borrowing and dealing with the increased population through uncontrolled migration.

Sorry to say it, but they are unelectable.
I am still voting Tory for the first time.



posted on Jun, 5 2017 @ 08:02 AM
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They will definitely shove us back into the EU through the back door.

Corbyn is well known to be anti-EU.



They'll reduce our military to something that resembles the Swiss guard in the Vatican

The Tories have been cutting military funding for years, starting with Cameron.



and every penny extra spent on schools and the NHS will be swallowed up by the costs of paying back the extra borrowing

This is another Tory lie, they have mismanaged the economy for years through the poor decisions of Osborne, and
they cut taxes of the extremely rich. We live in a rich country! It was Osborne who increased VAT to 20% not labour.



and dealing with the increased population through uncontrolled migration.

We need immigrants to support the economy and do the #ty jobs that no one else wants to do! Let alone the number of academic immigrants we need who are about to all leave to go back the the EU!



posted on Jun, 5 2017 @ 08:11 AM
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They will definitely shove us back into the EU through the back door.

Corbyn is well known to be anti-EU.



They'll reduce our military to something that resembles the Swiss guard in the Vatican





The Tories have been cutting military funding for years, starting with Cameron.



and every penny extra spent on schools and the NHS will be swallowed up by the costs of paying back the extra borrowing

This is another Tory lie, they have mismanaged the economy for years through the poor decisions of Osborne, and
they cut taxes of the extremely rich. We live in a rich country! It was Osborne who increased VAT to 20% not labour.



and dealing with the increased population through uncontrolled migration.

We need immigrants to support the economy and do the #ty jobs that no one else wants to do! Let alone the number of academic immigrants we need who are about to all leave to go back the the EU!


All the people around JC are pro EU. They want single market, customs union and eu court for starters.

Sure, the tories have cut our armed forces, Labour will cut deeper though, they've always been anti military, well, anti our military.

So you are denying that the last labour gov ran up an enormous defect that we still haven't paid off?

People don't want to do the jobs you described because unfettered migration means the labour pool is so vast those jobs don't pay anywhere near enough to live on.
Some migration is desirable, yes, 300k a year is most definitely not.
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posted on Jun, 5 2017 @ 08:21 AM
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While I do feel that I will vote UKIP,


Yikes. Just re-read what I wrote. What I missed out is the NOT, as in ...

"While I do NOT feel that I will vote UKIP,"

I am not a UKIP kinda guy.



posted on Jun, 5 2017 @ 08:23 AM
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I know it wasn't directed at me....but sometimes I just can't help myself......



Corbyn is well known to be anti-EU.


Yet that didn't stop him doing a complete about turn the moment he was elected Labour Party leader.....suddenly he started backing the Remain campaign.

Obviously a man of principle?



The Tories have been cutting military funding for years, starting with Cameron.


If you want to be entirely accurate cutting military funding started with Thatcher.....she was about to announce the single, biggest reduction in our Armed Services and their funding when Argentina attacked The Falklands.
That forced her into a U-turn which got her re-elected. She then started gradually reducing the size of The Army etc whilst 'in real terms' gradually reducing their funding.



This is another Tory lie, they have mismanaged the economy for years through the poor decisions of Osborne, and
they cut taxes of the extremely rich.


Yes, it is.
But to say Osbourne mis-managed things is slightly off target - he knew exactly what he was doing - screwing this country and its people over so that the elite that both he and Cameron represented could extend their control and manipulation of this country in order to further their own nefarious and greed obsessed agenda's.



We live in a rich country!


Indeed we do.....and its about time we saw a bit of wealth distribution.



We need immigrants to support the economy and do the #ty jobs that no one else wants to do!


Do we really?
How about making those who have become reliant on the Welfare System as a lifestyle choice perform those '#ty jobs no one else will do'?
Or maybe some of those who are overcrowding our jails?



Let alone the number of academic immigrants we need ......


Do we really NEED 'academic immigrants'?
Whatever for?
Would this country cease to operate without them?



.....who are about to all leave to go back the the EU!


Are they?

Yes, we do need a certain amount of immigration....but NOT for the reasons you mention.
And we certainly don't need nor WANT an open door immigration policy, (which both Labour and Conservatives have done absolutely nothing about addressing).

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posted on Jun, 5 2017 @ 08:25 AM
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I voted for Brexit and am gonna vote Corbyn, an independent UK with a labour government is what I want... But if the tories win we are #ed!



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