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monumental proof that he is actually in it for the USA
originally posted by: CB328
monumental proof that he is actually in it for the USA
Monumental proof that he doesn't care about the US and is only in it for the money.
originally posted by: CB328
monumental proof that he is actually in it for the USA
Monumental proof that he doesn't care about the US and is only in it for the money.
originally posted by: Kettu
originally posted by: CB328
monumental proof that he is actually in it for the USA
Monumental proof that he doesn't care about the US and is only in it for the money.
Pretty much. This was one of the only campaign promises he could reliably keep.
Trump didn't have to cooperate with anyone to make this campaign promise come true. He just had to turn his ears off and not listen to literally everyone advising him.
So now all the Trump followers are re-joying because their leader actually did something he said he would. Out all all the promises, he finally came through with one.
To them, it's as precious golden ticket to Willy Wonka's chocolate factory, or the One Ring to Gollum. They'll sing praises from rooftops, clap, cheer, and basically act like fools.
originally posted by: Kettu
a reply to: Justoneman
Nah, turns out Trump alone can't really back the USA out all on his own anyway.
It's sensationalist headline news.
Turns out, treaties/accords/ect are kind of tricky affairs.
First on the wishlist is axing the Paris deal.
Second is a call to “defund” the UN’s climate body (UNFCCC), which receives around US$4 million a year from the US government.
Third, Trump should “overturn” Obama’s clean power plan, which regulates power plant emissions, underpinned by a 2009 court ruling that said greenhouse gas emissions endanger public health.
Fourth, the US should amend the Clean Air Act – which was used by lawmakers to regulate CO2 – to ensure it can no longer do so.
Fifth, Trump should repeal the Clean Power Plan’s CO2 standards for power plants.
Sixth, Trump and Congress should oppose all carbon taxes (Note: incoming US secretary of state Rex Tillerson is a fan of a revenue neutral carbon tax).
Seventh, Trump should scrap US calculations of what the “social cost of carbon” could be.
Eighth, freeze biofuel subsidies, a policy first deployed under George W Bush. The CEI recommends Congress should…
Ninth (this is the last one), the CEI says all scientific agencies must meet rigorous standards that they currently do not abide by, urging for new “weight of evidence” tests.
originally posted by: daskakik
a reply to: Justoneman
I keep telling people that I'm not a leftist coolaid drinker but they don't believe me but lack of poop in my pants doesn't lie.
Anyway. I'm not sure how this climate change/anti-climate change argument proves that trump is not one of them, or the others. He definitely has to be with someone and I doubt it is the average joe.
Removed actioned post.
originally posted by: Kettu
a reply to: Justoneman
I'm just speaking in a language that'll be understood by Trump followers. I thought they liked that whole "speaking to them" and "telling it like it is" thing?
originally posted by: Justoneman
Well we have a saying on ATS, if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, it probably IS a duck.... Your choice to read the papers by the real scientists or not. I can only lead you to where I found the facts you don't have or understand... or maybe you do and your helping me inform others of the facts better?
I do know both parties hate him so he MUST be doing something VERY right.
originally posted by: daskakik
originally posted by: Justoneman
Well we have a saying on ATS, if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, it probably IS a duck.... Your choice to read the papers by the real scientists or not. I can only lead you to where I found the facts you don't have or understand... or maybe you do and your helping me inform others of the facts better?
I've read arguments for both sides. I don't think anyone has a solid answer yet so it's all still up in the air, as far as I'm concerned.
I do know both parties hate him so he MUST be doing something VERY right.
I'm not convinced of that either. Even if it is true, it isn't really proof of what the OP is claiming.
originally posted by: Kettu
a reply to: Justoneman
Nah, turns out Trump alone can't really back the USA out all on his own anyway.
It's sensationalist headline news.
Turns out, treaties/accords/ect are kind of tricky affairs.
In other words, since the agreement went into effect on November 4, 2016, the earliest President Trump could give written notice of withdrawal would be November 4, 2019. That withdrawal wouldn’t take effect until one year later, on November 4, 2020, exactly one day after the next presidential election, potentially making the next election a referendum on climate change and the Paris Accord.