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Hoax Exposed, no effort to renegotiate Paris Agreement.

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posted on Jun, 2 2017 @ 10:02 AM
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a reply to: Ohanka

And I realized this am that there's a hidden danger in all of this in that it may impell nations signatory to this agreement to consider dropping the US dollar as the world's reserve currency!

If that were to happen, the US National Debt bomb would go off!




posted on Jun, 2 2017 @ 10:09 AM
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a reply to: TonyS

Let them. How will they get their oil? Petro dollar and the US military control the tap.



posted on Jun, 2 2017 @ 12:54 PM
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a reply to: D8Tee




If this deal had anything to do with 'saving the world from global warming' don't you think they would have considered renegotiating?

They don't want to renegotiate because they know a renegotiated deal won't happen , the reason the Paris accord is so woolly and accommodating is because if it hadn't been it wouldn't have been agreed by the nations involved.

Too much self interest and not enough commitment to cleaning this planet up will mean no deal of any value will ever be agreed.
edit on 2-6-2017 by gortex because: (no reason given)



posted on Jun, 2 2017 @ 01:56 PM
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a reply to: gortex




Too much self interest and not enough commitment to cleaning this planet up will mean no deal of any value will ever be agreed.
Cleaning up the planet? Carbon based life forms have declared carbon a pollutant?



posted on Jun, 2 2017 @ 02:15 PM
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a reply to: D8Tee

Carbon is a pollutant , during the industrial revolution the carbon we put into the atmosphere lowered temperatures due to it's absorption of Solar radiation , as we have cleaned up the atmosphere temperatures have risen.

I'm more concerned with cleaning up our toxic oceans and stopping deforestation and habitat loss but a clean breathable atmosphere is equally important , pumping toxins into it from "clean coal" is not going to achieve that.

We live in the 21st century not the 19th , coal has no place in the 21st century.



posted on Jun, 2 2017 @ 02:23 PM
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a reply to: gortex




I'm more concerned with cleaning up our toxic oceans and stopping deforestation and habitat loss but a clean breathable atmosphere is equally important , pumping toxins into it from "clean coal" is not going to achieve that.
The Paris Agreement works contrary to your stated goals then. 40 percent of Germany's annual timber production is burnt to generate electricity, you know, cuz it's Carbon Neutral. More and more forest is being chopped down pelletized and burned.

Europe imported more than 4 million tons of wood pellets from US forests last year and wrote it all off as renewable energy, and thats a good thing? Thats your guys' crazy global warming mandate in action, and it's only going to get worse.



posted on Jun, 2 2017 @ 03:10 PM
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a reply to: D8Tee




The Paris Agreement works contrary to your stated goals then.

I know what the goals of the agreement are but they are not my goals , you seem to think I support the Paris deal but I don't , the Paris agreement isn't worth the paper it's written on but I can see why they did it , the Paris agreement is a foundation to be built on in the future , no foundation no future deals.

There are many causes of climate change and they mostly link back to us or our activities.



posted on Jun, 2 2017 @ 03:59 PM
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originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: D8Tee




The Paris Agreement works contrary to your stated goals then.

I know what the goals of the agreement are but they are not my goals , you seem to think I support the Paris deal but I don't , the Paris agreement isn't worth the paper it's written on but I can see why they did it , the Paris agreement is a foundation to be built on in the future , no foundation no future deals.

There are many causes of climate change and they mostly link back to us or our activities.


What are the goals of the Agreement?



posted on Jun, 2 2017 @ 04:06 PM
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a reply to: gortex

I thought that was the Kyoto Protocol?



posted on Jun, 2 2017 @ 04:33 PM
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originally posted by: GodEmperor
a reply to: gortex

I thought that was the Kyoto Protocol?


Heard yesterday that the U.S. has reduced emissions 16% since pulling out of the Kyoto agreement. I think one of the Bush's did it, and caught hell from liberals. But it was the right thing to do. The USA doesn't NEED any of these other countries to help us get our own house in order! We save taxpayer dollars by doing it ourselves.

President Trump knows this. What a President we have!!



posted on Jun, 2 2017 @ 04:40 PM
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a reply to: carewemust

Paris agreement was just the start, there's more that needs to be done.

America can and will lead the way forward, but it's never going to be able to do that when it's hobbled by the UNCFFF.

You control a nations energy policy, you control that nations economy. Does America wish to be owned by the UN?

Libs heads will be exploding and the media will be foaming at the mouth, but the path forward is clear, cut ties with the UNFCCC. C02 is not a pollutant, and Trump has the ability to undo all the damage Big Eared Barry has done in the past.


First on the wishlist is axing the Paris deal.


Second is a call to “defund” the UN’s climate body (UNFCCC), which receives around US$4 million a year from the US government.


Third, Trump should “overturn” Obama’s clean power plan, which regulates power plant emissions, underpinned by a 2009 court ruling that said greenhouse gas emissions endanger public health.


Fourth, the US should amend the Clean Air Act – which was used by lawmakers to regulate CO2 – to ensure it can no longer do so.


Fifth, Trump should repeal the Clean Power Plan’s CO2 standards for power plants.


Sixth, Trump and Congress should oppose all carbon taxes (Note: incoming US secretary of state Rex Tillerson is a fan of a revenue neutral carbon tax).


Seventh, Trump should scrap US calculations of what the “social cost of carbon” could be.


Eighth, freeze biofuel subsidies, a policy first deployed under George W Bush. The CEI recommends Congress should…


Ninth (this is the last one), the CEI says all scientific agencies must meet rigorous standards that they currently do not abide by, urging for new “weight of evidence” tests.

Blueprint



posted on Jun, 2 2017 @ 04:45 PM
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a reply to: D8Tee

As we have seen here in these forums, the lefties cannot even tell us why it was bad to leave the Paris Agreement, they cannot even explain what the Agreement was supposed to do.

Watch Tucker Carlson destroy the Mayor of Miami Beach.

Keep in mind that there has been NO acceleration in the rate of sea level rise, this has been ongoing for 150 years and is not connected to C02 in the atmosphere. The Mayor plays the flooding up as a talking point, when the reality is that they should have been preparing for this decades ago, the sea level was rising, they knew this.



posted on Jun, 2 2017 @ 05:05 PM
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You may be right but as far as the Accord goes, my thinking is they needed us more than we need them and the freak out has to do with getting less money and the globalization movement being dissolved


People conveniently seem to forget that we all live on planet earth, and it's not about what's "best" for the US or American business interests.

Additionally, as the once leader of the supposed free world, we have an obligation to be a leader in stewardship, not selfishness.



posted on Jun, 2 2017 @ 05:07 PM
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That must be why they [Germany] are burning 40 percent of their timber production to generate electricity.


Sure about that?

40% total renewable by 2025. Timber (biomass, including waste) is included with hydropower at only 11%.


Electricity generated from renewable sources has tripled in Germany over the past 10 years. Based on Energiewende goals, the share of power generated from renewable sources is set to increase to 40% to 45% by 2025 and to more than 80% by 2050. Most of Germany's expected growth in renewable electricity comes from solar photovoltaics (PV) and wind, which currently provide 20% of Germany's total electricity. Hydropower and other renewables such as biomass and waste provided 11% of Germany's overall electricity supply in 2015, but these shares are not expected to grow significantly.




Link
Link 2: 0.07 percent of German electricity comes from fresh timber



posted on Jun, 2 2017 @ 05:16 PM
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a reply to: Liquesence


The key provider of biomass supply in Germany is supposed to be agriculture. Moreover, 40% of German wood production is also used as a biomass feedstock

Wikipedia



Europe imported more than 4 million tons of wood pellets from US forests last year and wrote it all off as renewable energy.

A new report from Climate Central exposes how 4.4 million tons of wood pellets were cut from American forests last year, and 98% of it was shipped to Europe to be burnt for energy.

Because of a loophole, the European Union classifies this wood-generated electricity as "carbon neutral," though research actually indicates it's more environmentally dangerous in the short term.
Business Insider



posted on Jun, 2 2017 @ 05:31 PM
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a reply to: D8Tee

Did you even look at the data I provided? Apparently not.

40% (by 2025, it is currently around 31%) biomass wood and wood waste PLUS other biomass, of which wood is 11% according to the data I linked to.

I read wiki earlier, and the citations. And as I mentioned (and the links I provided) biomass, which includes wood, also includes waste, byproducts, and other bio-material. This does not mean they are cutting down forests to use as an energy source, it just means wood biomass which includes waste (pellets, sawdust, scraps, etc) PLUS other biomass is a source.

Read the links I provided.



posted on Jun, 2 2017 @ 06:07 PM
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a reply to: Liquesence
I did read your links.

The EU is cutting down forests and burning them to generate electricity. Why? Because it's CARBON NEUTRAL.

What message does this send to third world countries? Yea, lets cut down the rain forests boys, it will put us under the targets for the Paris Agreement! Get it done! Fire up the Chainsaws!

I see you're trying to downplay the dangers of deforestation but the fact remains, it is a clear and present danger. I'd rather see natural gas get used than see the land denuded of tress. Guess you're of a different opinion.



Moreover, 25% of Germany wood production is also used as a biomass feedstock. The German Federal Research Centre for Forestry and Forest Products claims that there are also reserves which may assist in enlarging the part of forestry in biomass production. Agriculture is the main source of rapeseed oil, which is used for the production of biodiesel and making substrates for the production of biogas.
German Biofuel portal






Up in Flames



posted on Jun, 2 2017 @ 06:34 PM
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originally posted by: Liquesence
a reply to: Mike.Ockizard


You may be right but as far as the Accord goes, my thinking is they needed us more than we need them and the freak out has to do with getting less money and the globalization movement being dissolved


People conveniently seem to forget that we all live on planet earth, and it's not about what's "best" for the US or American business interests.

Additionally, as the once leader of the supposed free world, we have an obligation to be a leader in stewardship, not selfishness.
Yea, lets just start giving tax dollars away right? Why don't you just donate to UNICEF or something if you feel that way, I'd like to fix my country first. The UN can go to hell as far as I'm concerned, America IS leading the way, emissions are down.
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posted on Jun, 2 2017 @ 06:45 PM
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a reply to: D8Tee


I did read your links.


But dismissed the data therein because it doesn't fit with your narrative.

Your quotation says 25%. Earlier, you said it was 40%, so which is it? Cause my data says 11% or less.

B) Your graph has no context.


I see you're trying to downplay the dangers of deforestation


No, I'm not. I'm downplaying the BS that a large percentage of renewable biomass is from purposefully cutting down forests.

Deforestation is a problem.


What message does this send to third world countries? Yea, lets cut down the rain forests boys, it will put us under the targets for the Paris Agreement! Get it done! Fire up the Chainsaws!


Hyperbole, much?



posted on Jun, 2 2017 @ 06:49 PM
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a reply to: D8Tee


I'd like to fix my country first.


Without the earth, or being a good steward thereof, you would have no country to fix. THAT was my point in the comment to which you replied. Your country is part of the Earth, not vice versa.

To the rest of the comment, it's simply " 'Muric First! Not my tax dollars! MAGA!" without looking at the larger issue (yet you seem to care about deforestation?), but a more selfish perspective, which I mentioned.

Got it.



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