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Seth Rich Conspiracy Theory murder versus Jeremy Joseph Christian real murderer

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posted on May, 31 2017 @ 11:28 AM
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It's always interesting to me to see slanted opinion and party-line speak. Especially during contentious times as we are in. I have a desire to (and often strive to) see lies and inaccuracies from all sides be they Republican, Democrat, Libertarian, Tea-Party; the list goes on and is growing.

There are some questionable elements to the Seth Rich murder, but at the core of matters are whether or not we collectively believe in the Legal System (collectively). I watch as a small demographic who have a propensity for sensationalizing stories that so badly want the Seth Rich conspiracy to grow legs and become prevailing wisdom, all in an effort it seems to validate their choice for Presidency. The legal system is not immune from corruption any more than our Government (US) or any one of us as individuals are.

Do we, collectively as a nation believe in the sanctity and efficacy of our system of Law and Order? It's easy to point to ATS as proof that a lot of people tend to throw real data to the wind just to embrace their ideology of the moment, but that isn't really fair as it hardly represents an actual sampling of the country as a whole.

With that, back to Seth Rich for a moment. To reaffirm, I believe there are some elements of the case the befuddle the mind, however I also (collectively) have faith that someone in the Justice system wants to see precisely that: justice done. It leaves me believing that if there is any evidence pointing to the DNC as assassins in this, it will be found and handled appropriately...lest we forget the investigators are Democrats and Republicans too. With so much though, left as conspiracy theory and facts (as detailed by authorities) pointing toward a robbery gone wrong, there are questions with no answers and we're left in a position such that anyone's guess becomes the "facts of the moment".

Now I'd like to turn my attention to four other men. These three:


and this guy:



The first images are the three victims of Jeremy Joseph Christian's Portland Oregon attacks on (alleged) muslims and the muslim way of life. He had gotten on a train, became agitated when he saw two muslim women, one who was wearing a hajib, and when the three victims attempted to intervene,two of them ended up dead when Jeremy Christian stabbed them in the neck, and another not-fatally wounded.

This has been reported and I'm sure most know about it, but the reason I'm bringing it up is because of the relevance I see in some of the vitriol and (at times militant) rantings on ATS and a parallel in what Jeremy Christian said while in the squad car after having been arrested.

"that's what liberalism gets you"

Is that what liberalism gets you?

Christian who was a President Trump supporter and (clearly) anti-liberalism should have opened a dictionary more often. President Trumps consistent message has been "draining the swamp" and "anti-Establishment". Well, with that let's examine the meaning of liberal.



lib·er·al
ˈlib(ə)rəl/
adjective
adjective: liberal
1.
open to new behavior or opinions and willing to discard traditional values.
"they have more liberal views toward marriage and divorce than some people"
favorable to or respectful of individual rights and freedoms.
"liberal citizenship laws"
synonyms:
tolerant, unprejudiced, unbigoted, broad-minded, open-minded, enlightened; More
permissive, free, free and easy, easygoing, libertarian, indulgent, lenient
"the values of a liberal society"
antonyms:
narrow-minded, bigoted
(in a political context) favoring maximum individual liberty in political and social reform.
"a liberal democratic state"
synonyms:
progressive, advanced, modern, forward-looking, forward-thinking, progressivist, enlightened, reformist, radical
"a liberal social agenda"
antonyms:
reactionary, conservative
of or characteristic of Liberals or a Liberal Party.
adjective: Liberal
(in the UK) relating to the Liberal Democrat Party.
adjective: Liberal
"the Liberal leader"
Theology
regarding many traditional beliefs as dispensable, invalidated by modern thought, or liable to change.
2.
(of education) concerned mainly with broadening a person's general knowledge and experience, rather than with technical or professional training.


Definition # 1 - open to new behavior or opinions and willing to discard traditional values.

Wouldn't that include topics like "anti-Establishment" and "draining the swamp", if you're discarding traditional values? I think that makes President Trump very liberal minded. Or maybe it includes items like tweeting ridiculous things at midnight to "troll all of America" as some would like us to believe, that certainly falls under the auspice of being "open to new behavior".

We focus on Seth Rich which has more elements of conspiracy theory than is based upon reality, but barely a peep about the Portland incident.



President Trump may well be more "liberal" than most on here would like to admit but a staunch President Trump supporter has shown the world "what liberalism gets you".




posted on May, 31 2017 @ 11:32 AM
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originally posted by: alphabetaone
a staunch President Trump supporter has shown the world "what liberalism gets you".


Bernie/Jill Stein supporter*



posted on May, 31 2017 @ 11:37 AM
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originally posted by: o0oTOPCATo0o

originally posted by: alphabetaone
a staunch President Trump supporter has shown the world "what liberalism gets you".


Bernie/Jill Stein supporter*


That's just the dogmatic response from conservatives that don't want to admit Christian said nice things about Trump.


"Bernie Sanders was the President I wanted," wrote Christian in December. "He voiced my heart and mind. The one who spoke about the way America should gone. Away from the Military and Prison Industrial Complexes. The Trump is who America needs now that Bernie got ripped off."


It's fun watching you all, both sides, play hot potato with him.



posted on May, 31 2017 @ 11:39 AM
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Nope. You can't pin this on Trump. He was a Bernie Supporter and got mad when Hillary booted him out of the presidential race. What he did was despicable and i hope he gets what he deserves.



posted on May, 31 2017 @ 11:40 AM
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originally posted by: Shamrock6

originally posted by: o0oTOPCATo0o

originally posted by: alphabetaone
a staunch President Trump supporter has shown the world "what liberalism gets you".


Bernie/Jill Stein supporter*


That's just the dogmatic response from conservatives that don't want to admit Christian said nice things about Trump.


"Bernie Sanders was the President I wanted," wrote Christian in December. "He voiced my heart and mind. The one who spoke about the way America should gone. Away from the Military and Prison Industrial Complexes. The Trump is who America needs now that Bernie got ripped off."


It's fun watching you all, both sides, play hot potato with him.
Trying to make a point with a crazy man says a lot about the value of any "insights" in this OP is my take.



posted on May, 31 2017 @ 11:47 AM
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originally posted by: Perfectenemy
Nope. You can't pin this on Trump. He was a Bernie Supporter and got mad when Hillary booted him out of the presidential race. What he did was despicable and i hope he gets what he deserves.


I'm not trying to pin it on President Trump. My message is pretty clear though, that it is what liberalism gets you, according to Jeremy Christian. The culture of intolerance is what is targeted, not the President. In fact, I do NOT blame President Trump for any of that.



posted on May, 31 2017 @ 11:49 AM
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a reply to: alphabetaone

the guy is a nut. They exist. Believe it or not, they can be Big, small, short, tall, black, white, ugly, pretty, republican, democrat, independent, socialist, communist, or even just stupid.

But the story about Seth Rich is that a young man was killed in a "botched robbery" where nothing was taken from him of value, and it kind of looks like something larger may be at play, or may not. But the two have only one thing in common, and that is that someone died needlessly. Any other grasping at straws is just that. (IMHO)



posted on May, 31 2017 @ 11:54 AM
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a reply to: alphabetaone

I said in another thread that Christian is an example of the horseshoe theory in politics.

He's one of those nutters that hangs out way, way at the very end of the spectrum and crosses the narrow gulf between hyper-right and hyper-left on a whim. I don't think either side can 100% say he's on "the other side" because he espoused beliefs from both ends of things. He's simply a case in point on extremism and it's intolerance of pretty much everything.



posted on May, 31 2017 @ 11:54 AM
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a reply to: network dude

Well, the inconsistency I'm trying to draw is that on the one hand, we have a murderer who specifically states his reasons for committing the act in the squad car: "that's what liberlismn gets you" - which is clearly a political statement irrespective if he is nuts or not as neither of us can make that determination. Meanwhile we have a wholly unproven conspiracy theory about murder and it seems a majority think Seth Rich conspiracy theory is more fact and given more attention than someone who blatantly comes out and says why he did it.


Seems a little off to me.


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posted on May, 31 2017 @ 12:15 PM
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a reply to: Shamrock6

If it wasn't 'this', it would be 'that'.
They guy was bound to hurt somebody eventually.

Just bugs me when people want to classify him a s a "christian terrorist" or a "right-wing terrorist" when it is clear that he is a crazy person, with no allegiance to anything but his own delusions



posted on May, 31 2017 @ 12:17 PM
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a reply to: o0oTOPCATo0o

I agree, but then it would seem there was no reason to try and pawn him off as simply a Bernie supporter in your earlier comment.

The guy lives in a cloud of ever shifting political rhetoric, almost daily, so for anybody to attempt to put him firmly in one camp or the other is disingenuous.



posted on May, 31 2017 @ 12:27 PM
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originally posted by: alphabetaone

Do we, collectively as a nation believe in the sanctity and efficacy of our system of Law and Order? It's easy to point to ATS as proof that a lot of people tend to throw real data to the wind just to embrace their ideology of the moment, but that isn't really fair as it hardly represents an actual sampling of the country as a whole.



If we, collectively as a nation, believe in the sanctity and efficacy of our system of Law and Order then we, collectively as a nation, are pretty stupid. I don't know why you would use a violent, crazy man as an example, but there are many examples showing that the US system of justice is multi-tiered.

If I engage in insider trading, I go to jail. When Congressmen do it, it's legal.

If I hack in to the computers of Congressmen, I go to jail. When the CIA does it, nobody even thinks to bring up charges.

If I publicly expose a covert CIA agent, I go to jail. When Scooter Libby does it, he gets a pardon.

Try shooting someone in the face with a shotgun and see if you get an apology from the victim instead of a lengthy prison sentence.

I could probably list thousands of examples of justice being applied unequally. I believe most Americans know that how the law applies to you depends on things like how much money you have and your position and connections in the government, among other things.

I just hope I haven't entirely missed the point of your thread. If you're trying to say that we should implicitly trust law enforcement and the justice system when it comes to investigating high ranking politicians and their associates, I can only give you a blank stare.



posted on May, 31 2017 @ 12:45 PM
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a reply to: o0oTOPCATo0o




If it wasn't 'this', it would be 'that'. They guy was bound to hurt somebody eventually.
Its what happens when the left hits that slippery slope that is seldom factored into the left mindset when being defined . More and more I am finding truthful left leaning people in the debate and their respected counter parts on the right having a good conversation and actually agreeing about the false/fake/and lies from both sides .

Kind of gives me hope .



posted on May, 31 2017 @ 12:53 PM
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a reply to: Shamrock6

The only reason I had was the last sentence or two in the OP. That has been the narrative since it happened, that he was a hardcore Trump guy, who just had to hurt muslims because he loved trump so much. Felt it was right to put it out there.

But you are right. It was somewhat disingenuous and/or hypocritical.



posted on May, 31 2017 @ 01:05 PM
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a reply to: o0oTOPCATo0o

Ah. I didn't take that bit of the OP that way, but I can see how it could be.

To be clear, I wasn't trying to call you out specifically for it or anything, just the overall behavior pattern in the last couple of days. Kudos to you for recognizing it, though.




posted on May, 31 2017 @ 01:28 PM
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a reply to: alphabetaone

you may not feel qualified to make the determination that the dude is nuts, but I'm going to go out on a limb here and state that if you kill people based on your political beliefs, you are what I would consider crazy.



posted on May, 31 2017 @ 01:31 PM
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a reply to: Shamrock6

All good.
I learned a long time ago, that there is a lot that is lost in translation, when communicating with people online.
I try not to read someone else's words in a derogatory manor, unless I have good reason.



posted on Jun, 1 2017 @ 03:58 AM
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He's not saying Trump is a Liberal now, despite the fact he used to be Democrat. What he means in his twisted, radicalized thinking process is that "that's what liberals get you" is that "Liberals allowing Muslims" into the country means death because the men defended the Muslim teenagers.

In his twisted radicalized mind he's a patriot. What an insult. He killed people, namely a Veteran, who defended his sorry #, on Veteran's Day weekend. Killing just like Daesh scum loves to do.



posted on Jun, 1 2017 @ 09:44 AM
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originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: alphabetaone

you may not feel qualified to make the determination that the dude is nuts, but I'm going to go out on a limb here and state that if you kill people based on your political beliefs, you are what I would consider crazy.


Well, me too... I would CALL them nuts, but clinically insane is how I meant it. People have murdered for a lot less than political ideology or benefit.



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