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originally posted by: Ghost147
Every now and then you see a show about serial killers, psychopaths, or sociopaths and all the horror they've inflicted upon their victims. In those same shows you learn that these people can do the things they do, unfazed, due to a lack of Empathy and a severely reduced, or non existent depth of emotions.
It made me wonder 'what happens to you, emotionally, when you go to heaven?'
Everyone seems to have varying views on what heaven would be like, but there's an exclusive intrinsic view that encompasses every view of it, from what I've heard of peoples opinions; you will be happy, euphoric, forever.
If that's the case, then could you not feel sadness?
originally posted by: Raggedyman
a reply to: dfnj2015
So your God forces forgiveness on those who dont want his forgiveness
Thats not love, thats abuse
Stop talking and start thinking
originally posted by: MoreInterior
originally posted by: dfnj2015
originally posted by: MoreInterior
a reply to: Ghost147
If you truly want to know about Heaven, I strongly recommend you read some Swedenborg. His explanations are more comprehensive and satisfying than anything anyone could write in this reply box.
Sometimes the reply box is more important for the writer to organize their thoughts by posting something than it is about you reading the post with all your prejudice, bigotry, and disdain for ideas that do not conform to your preexisting notions or dogma.
originally posted by: MoreInterior
If a hardcore atheist were invited into Heaven, he would reject it because it would mean he had been wrong, and atheists value their delusions of superior intelligence more than actual truth. They also can't be at ease while those around them are worshipping God, because what they really want is for people to be subordinate to them.
My faith in God is so much stronger than yours will ever be. I think everyone including atheists are allowed through the gates of heaven to experience eternal heavenly bliss regardless of our earthly sins, or how we practiced, or not practiced our religion. This is because my faith is in an all-loving all-powerful forgiving God. My faith gives me the confidence to know that myself, you, and everyone on ATS will be saved. My God is stronger than your God because my God forgives everyone with unconditional love.
Well, you have trouble reading. Again, Hell is not a punishment. It's where you are if you love selfish pleasures that don't belong in Heaven. God doesn't send you there. If someone like that wants to go to Heaven, God might let him in to see what it's like, but he would leave because there would be nothing there that makes him happy.
But it sounds more like you're just giving yourself a free pass, and excusing in advance every selfish choice you'll ever make. That's not Faith. That's exploiting God to validate your own behavior.
originally posted by: dffrntkndfnml
I doubt God punishes anyone, rather we punish ourselves through ignorance of the naturals laws that frame the universe.Missing the mark,binding one to the consequences until we forgive ourselves or learn better.
originally posted by: Raggedyman
originally posted by: Ghost147
originally posted by: Raggedyman
a reply to: Ghost147
You have made some very bizarre assumptions, so many wild and catholic beliefs in your statement
Sometimes a person needs to grow and stop with being fed as a child
feel free to educate me instead of just insult me
I wasn't making assumptions, I have been told directly, by Christians, that this is what they believe personally (notice how I am not stating that 'all of Christianity claims this'
Please learn how to use reading comprehension more efficiently. No need for your seemingly insufferable distaste for any content I post on this site to bleed into every response you make directed at me.
Or is it that you're just here to troll again? I noticed you haven't added anything of context to this thread. yet again
Come on ghost, you cant be told, you dont listen and you dont care to, but you will listen to what confirms what you want to hear
Insufferable?
You are calling christians psychopaths, duh?
Whats this
"burning for eternity, being skinned forever, tortured, and so forth,"
Where do you get that from, who taught you this, your catholic priest?
You go to the poisoned to get poison to spread poison
this is a troll thread
Its all you do, troll christianity
You are the atheist version of wesboro baptist church
originally posted by: Raggedyman
You had better lay off the Star Trek, you are losing touch with reality
or maybe that is your reality, multiple worlds you neither affect or effect
Text Many of us would be mentally destroyed knowing as a fact that a relative of ours is in hell, burning for eternity, being skinned forever, tortured, and so forth, maybe for nothing more than simply being a good person, but not following the god that rules the heaven you're in. As billions of earth-equivalent years pass, that same relative of yours has been going through continuous dismemberment as you frolic in the sky.
originally posted by: dfnj2015
I agree with this sentiment. I think when people "sin" forgiveness and salvation doesn't come from God but from the people who have been sinned against. Some sins are unforgivable. To be forgiving is to be like God.
It's a petty and immature mind that is always seeking revenge. It is a petty and immature mind that takes pleasure in other people's suffering for any reason.
God's love is unconditional. It is not based on the conditions of sin. Most people do not have faith in God's unconditional love.
originally posted by: MoreInterior
a reply to: Ghost147
Born atheists? To be an atheist is to deny God.
originally posted by: MoreInterior
a reply to: Ghost147
Nobody is born an atheist or a theist, because infants don't have beliefs.
originally posted by: MoreInterior
a reply to: Ghost147
Everyone worshipping something, means everyone has something they love above all else, from which all their happiness springs.
originally posted by: MoreInterior
a reply to: Ghost147
If you don't love a God, you love either this material world, or yourself.
originally posted by: MoreInterior
a reply to: Ghost147
If you believe in a concept of "Good," "Justice," "Truth," "Kindness," etc. apart from materialism and selfishness, you aren't an atheist. Those are other words for "God." Anything else you've heard is a twisting around of religion by corrupt or stupid people.
originally posted by: MoreInterior
a reply to: Ghost147
I don't hate atheists.
originally posted by: MoreInterior
a reply to: Ghost147
You seem to have already forgotten my stance that Hell isn't a punishment and will be exactly where they can make themselves at home.
originally posted by: MoreInterior
a reply to: Ghost147
You got that from "selfishness?" I was thinking materialism and adultery, but if that's where your mind is, that's your issue.
originally posted by: Raggedyman
a reply to: Ghost147
All you have is opinion ghost, nothing else
Opinion is a belief
www.spiritual-short-stories.com...
A man and his dog were walking along a road. The man was enjoying the scenery, when it suddenly occurred to him that he was dead. He remembered dying, and that the dog walking beside him had been dead for years. He wondered where the road was leading them.
After a while, they came to a high, white stone wall along one side of the road. It looked like fine marble. At the top of the long hill, it was broken by a tall arch that glowed in the sunlight.
When he was standing before it, he saw a magnificent gate in the arch that looked like mother of pearl, and the street that led to the gate looked like pure gold. He and the dog walked toward the gate, and as he got closer, he saw a man at the desk to one side.
When he was close enough, he called out, “Excuse me, where are we?”
“This is Heaven, sir,” the man answered.
“Wow! Would you happen to have some water?” the man asked.
“Of course, sir. Come right in and I’ll have some ice water brought right up.”The man gestured, and the gate began to open.
“Can my friend,” gesturing toward his dog, “come in too?” the traveler asked.
“I’m sorry sir, but we don’t accept pets.”
The man thought a moment and then turned back toward the road and continued the way he had been going with his dog.
After another long walk, and at the top of another long hill, he came to a dirt road which led through a farm gate that looked as if it had never been closed. There was no fence. As he approached the gate, he saw a man inside, leaning against a tree and reading a book.
“Excuse me!” he called to the reader. “Do you have any water?”
“Yeah, sure. There’s a pump over there.” The man pointed to a place that couldn’t be seen from outside the gate. “Come on in.”
“How about my friend here?” the traveler gestured to the dog.
“There should be a bowl by the pump.”
They went through the gate, and sure enough, there was an old fashioned hand pump with a bowl beside it. The traveler filled the bowl and took a long drink himself. Then he gave some to the dog. When they were full, he and the dog walked back toward the man who was standing by the tree waiting for them.
“What do you call this place?” the traveler asked.
“This is Heaven,” was the answer.
“Well, that’s confusing,” the traveler said. “The man down the road said that was Heaven too.”
“Oh, you mean the place with the gold street and pearly gates? Nope. That’s Hell.”
“Doesn’t it make you mad for them to use your name like that?”
“No. I can see how you might think so, but we’re just happy that they screen out the folks who’ll leave their best friends behind.”
originally posted by: Raggedyman
a reply to: Ghost147
Yes, that's called confirmation bias, quoting citations that support your argument without acknowledging another opinion
Maybe that passes as education where you are from ghost
It's opinion and so is what you cited
I could quote a counter view but having discussed previous topics, you,would ignore them because, well who knows
originally posted by: JoshuaCox
a reply to: Ghost147
Also hell as a concept is less than 1000 years old..
The meaning given today to the word “hell” is that portrayed in Dante’s Divine Comedy and Milton’s Paradise Lost, which meaning is completely foreign to the original definition of the word. The idea of a “hell” of fiery torment, however, dates back long before Dante or Milton. The Grolier Universal Encyclopedia (1971, Vol. 9, p. 205) under “Hell” says: “Hindus and Buddhists regard hell as a place of spiritual cleansing and final restoration. Islamic tradition considers it as a place of everlasting punishment.” The idea of suffering after death is found among the pagan religious teachings of ancient peoples in Babylon and Egypt. Babylonian and Assyrian beliefs depicted the “nether world . . . as a place full of horrors, . . . presided over by gods and demons of great strength and fierceness.” Although ancient Egyptian religious texts do not teach that the burning of any individual victim would go on forever, they do portray the “Other World” as featuring “pits of fire” for “the damned.”—The Religion of Babylonia and Assyria, by Morris Jastrow, Jr., 1898, p. 581; The Book of the Dead, with introduction by E. Wallis Budge, 1960, pp. 135, 144, 149, 151, 153, 161, 200.
What is the origin of the myth?
“The early Christian philosophers adopted the Greek concept of the soul’s immortality and thought of the soul as being created by God and infused into the body at conception.”—The New Encyclopædia Britannica (1988), Volume 11, page 25.
What does the Bible say?
“The soul that sinneth, it shall die.”—Ezekiel 18:4, King James Version.
...
The doctrine of the immortality of the soul raised questions: Where do souls go after death? What happens to the souls of the wicked? When nominal Christians adopted the myth of the immortal soul, this led them to accept another myth—the teaching of hellfire.
FACT:
At death a person ceases to exist
...
Myth 2: The Wicked Suffer in Hell
What is the origin of the myth?
“Of all classical Greek philosophers, the one who has had the greatest influence on traditional views of Hell is Plato.”—Histoire des enfers (The History of Hell), by Georges Minois, page 50.
“From the middle of the 2nd century AD Christians who had some training in Greek philosophy began to feel the need to express their faith in its terms . . . The philosophy that suited them best was Platonism [the teachings of Plato].”—The New Encyclopædia Britannica (1988), Volume 25, page 890.
“The teaching of the Church affirms the existence of hell and its eternity. Immediately after death the souls of those who die in a state of mortal sin descend into hell, where they suffer the punishments of hell, ‘eternal fire.’ The chief punishment of hell is eternal separation from God.”—Catechism of the Catholic Church, 1994 edition, page 270.
What does the Bible say?
“For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing, . . . for there is no work or thought or knowledge or wisdom in Sheol, to which you are going.”—Ecclesiastes 9:5, 10, Revised Standard Version.
The Hebrew word Sheol, which referred to the “abode of the dead,” is translated “hell” in some versions of the Bible. What does this passage reveal about the condition of the dead? Do they suffer in Sheol in order to atone for their errors? No, for they “know nothing.” That is why the patriarch Job, when suffering terribly because of a severe illness, begged God: “Protect me in hell [Hebrew, Sheol].” (Job 14:13; Douay-Rheims Version) What meaning would his request have had if Sheol was a place of eternal torment? Hell, in the Biblical sense, is simply the common grave of mankind, where all activity has ceased.
...
FACT:
God does not punish people in hell
originally posted by: Raggedyman
a reply to: Ghost147
I am the troll but I don't start endless cry baby threads about big nasty atheists who make me pee pee my panties with all their silly nonsense
In fact while I disagree with atheists I am not scared or concerned with them at all
In fact have many atheist friends who I get along with and enjoy their company. Who don't see Christians as psychopaths
Mostly wouldn't go around calling them psychopaths, or any other names
Wouldn't go around causing conflict or contention, trying to instill a fear or make myself seem more balanced or smarter
Don't mind that they believe in fairy tail nonsense like evolution, don't have a cry baby rant about their beliefs, fully accept and encourage their opinion, though....
But I do think being called a psychopath, based on a persons erroneous beliefs of my faith is an issue
originally posted by: Raggedyman
a reply to: Ghost147
I can not see one single valid reason to start a thread like this other than to inspire hate, or to show the world how big and important you are. An excercise in self grandoising attention seeking.
originally posted by: Raggedyman
a reply to: Ghost147
There is something wrong in your head ghost, really get some help, I am not kidding you
Ghost, nobody can explain away your confusion, you use it as a crutch
originally posted by: Raggedyman
a reply to: Ghost147
Here is a choice,
accept follow God, be in relationship with him
Don't accept, be away from Him
originally posted by: Raggedyman
a reply to: Ghost147
i don't believe the punishment in hell is stern as for humanity