Originally posted by b777pilot
Originally posted by skippytjc
If you look at the top "bracket" thing that seems to have peeled back a bit you can see a half dozen multi colored hoses. these MUST be either
fuel or hydrolics of somr sort. You can see that they have already been pulled up a bit. That piece folds back any more and one of those hoses could
disconnect. This plane, assuming it landed OK, is one very lucky plane!!!
thats what I was wondering did it land safe....i know engine covers have come off and thats not major but that top bracket is the concern in that
Okay, I will rant here a bit, but aircraft are a lot safer than people make them sound.
The whole engine could probably have fallen off and the plane would've most likely been fine. Modern jetliners are very complex machines. They are
very, very, very redundant. They have to be, since they fly hard all the time, year round. Try driving your car like that, and it'll fall apart on
you after a month.
There are backup systems to the backup systems to the backup systems to the backup systems on jetliners. The hydraulics, fuel pumps, avionics,
electronics, even the engines are all redundant. Aircraft are very, very safe, that is the stupid media that makes out like if one thing goes wrong on
an aircraft, it is bound to crash.
In the late 1970s, I believe an aircraft that was brand new, poised for mass production, was taking off with a full load of passengers and one of the
engines fell off. The plane then crashed. Thus, the public panicked, the plane was crap, and it was never mass-made. The truth of the matter was
really the engine fell off because the ground crew didn't attach it right (which was the airport's fault, not the aircraft manufacturer's). When
the engine fell off, the plane could still have continued flying, but the engine's detaching caused something to go off in the pilot's cabin that
made the pilot react in a way he should not have, thus causing the plane to crash. Had the pilot continued flying as if nothing had happened, the
plane would've stayed airborn, and could have landed somewhere safely.
But no one wanted to hear it. All the news camera's showed to the uneducated public was the aircraft take off, the engine fall off, and then CRASH!!
So even though this was a modern, very well-designed aircraft, since the engine fell off, it must be a deathtrap. When really it was the airport's
fault and the pilot simply reacted wrong, and it was actually a testament to the aircraft's engineering that the thing could have stayed airborn with
the engine literally falling off.
The media is still this way. You still here them tell of the "black box" recorder in the aircraft, when really jetliners have 20 or more of these
boxes placed throughout the aircraft; there is no single "black box" that records all the data. A few weeks back, I was reading a story about a
helicopter that crashed, and the journalist who wrote the article referred to the rotor on top of the helicopter as "the helicopter's propeller on
top." (!?!). A helicopter's propeller, riiiight......go tell a helo pilot about how helos have big propellers on top. They have ROTORS dammit!!
The Los Angelos Times ran a four-part article on how the Harrier jet is so dangerous and they said that despite the fact of this jet having the most
crashes of any jet, the Marines are pursuing after the V-22 Osprey, also a VTOL aircraft, which has also had crashes (i.e. the public should hate the
Osprey, it is a dangeous aircraft, the Marines are stupid, blah blah blah).
What they fail to mention is that ALL early aircraft had crashes at their starts. The military lost god-knows how many pilots with the F-14 Tomcat in
its early days. Before it had computerized flight-control systems, it was truly a hallmark of the "dangers to naval aviation," because since the
engines are so far apart on the F-14, if one flames out, the aircraft goes into a spin unless you basically turn the rudder in the direction of the
active engine. If an engine flames out right as you're taking off from an aircraft carrier, if you aren't careful, the F-14 could go off into the
air like a frisby. F-14 pilot Cara Haltgreene (I think that's her name, I could be wrong) died from this while landing on an aircraft carrier. An
engine flamed out on her and her plane went out of control. Her navigation officer (if that was the backseat guy) ejected okay, but she ejected when
the plane turned upside down, thus smacking the water and dying on impact.
The Huey helicopter, made famous in Vietnam, had a problem with the main rotor (yes the main rotor, not the tail rotor) DETACHING on pilots and this
problem wasn't fixed until they realized what was causing it. The AH-64 Apache had problems flying until they remedied them, and it is truly one of
the greatest, if not the greatest, attack helicopter of all time. The Blackhawk helo, the workhorse helicopter of the Army, was a true Crashhawk helo,
until they fixed a problem it had. Now it is truly one of the greatest helicopters of all time as well.
The V-22, as these other aircraft, also had problems. Like they now know not to take it into a certain type of dive or it can crash (and thus if you
begin taking it into said dive now, a warning indicator comes on). The aircraft was grounded and they have fixed the problems since then and now it
flies pretty flawless.
So I mean my point is, if you are on a modern jetliner, if black smoke starts coming from the engine, don't panick, as modern aircraft are very well
taken care of and very redundant. Also, the black smoke could oftentimes not even be an engine problem, but say a hose spewing out a special liquid
that really is harmless, but makes it look like there's a big problem.
If I was on an aircraft and I looked out the window and saw the outside of the engine peeling off, I'd get up, walk to a flight attendant and QUIETLY
say to her, "Just in case the pilot doesn't know, the engine on the 's outside covering just peeled off."
Aircraft bodies are built pretty tough too, oftentimes to withstand shrapnel in case of a crash, so I wouldn't worry about parts of the engine flying
Not that I might not get a little scared, as that is only natural, but aircraft are very safe these days. I'd be more concerned about the stupid 10
year-old kid or the stupid ignorant business woman who also happens to see the engine and decides the entire cabin of people should be aware of this.