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The Only Cut in Trump's Budget is to Medicare. Why?

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posted on May, 29 2017 @ 08:39 AM
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a reply to: Dfairlite
Only cut?

What about the cuts to the Department of Labour, Department of the Interior, Department of State and International Aid, Department of Justice, Department of Housing and Urban Development, Department of Education, Corps of Engineers, Environmental Protection Agency and Department of Transport.

Don't they count, or do they just not fit in your agenda to mention?




posted on May, 29 2017 @ 09:31 AM
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The OP specifically mentioned a the budget change over one year, FY 2107-2018.

If one looks at the proposed 10-year budget, there are various cuts to social service programs (which many people rely on), and some of those cuts are pretty severe.

Here's an interactive NYT article, with tables from the report that shows both increases and decreases over a variety of programs and departments, and here is direct download pdf link to the budget from the White House.



posted on May, 29 2017 @ 09:52 AM
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originally posted by: Dfairlite
a reply to: rickymouse

I really can't tell you why costs have spiraled. Part of me thinks it's insurance (like federalized student loans/guarantees increased tuition costs). That likely makes up a portion of it but even insurance is getting too expensive which should cause people to drop it and keep prices under control. I've seen the balance sheets of a few (for profit) hospitals and they're not making a killing, their margins are very thin. Prescription drugs are pretty pricey but they only get their patents for a few years so I'm not sure how you would incentivize cheaper drugs without killing incentive to invent better ones.

Maybe it's just death by a thousand cuts and it's a huge number of small expenses that skyrockets costs.


There are two problems that are raising health costs. People think their doctors can fix things, the fact is that most illnesses come from eating the wrong foods for your genetics. Eat the wrong foods, you get sick. I just saw an older doctor talking with an indocrinologist and a doctor on TV thirteen, they were local doctors here. The older doctor kept stressing that people need to be their own food doctor and pay attention to how food effects them. He mentioned that everyone has to eat different, the other doctors agreed wholly. He said that once problems do come to light, it is often too late to fix things and medicines only treat symptoms. I was glad to see this show.

The woman gastro-endocrinologist knew a lot but could not translate what she knew into common people language well, I understood her well. A lot of people cannot understand what I talk about though sometimes, sometimes there is no way to translate some of what I know. The Woman specialist was actually saying a lot about genetics and diet too, the homeopathic doctor, a licensed doctor who is trying to unwravel things, was good too, but he still has more to learn yet, in another five years he will have it down pat. The old doctor was trying to tell people to pay attention to how their body reacts to foods over and over. He wants to get the truth out before he gets too old or dies.

Too much change in diet too fast is causing the problems we are having.

Another thing, hospitals do not make as much money as people think, they need workers who get pretty good wages and also the cost of technology is going out of this world. Doctors diagnosed diseases and did a better job treating a lot of them before using experience, this boom in technology is not the right way. The tests pick up temporary problems caused my altered enzyme activity on a temporary basis and this leads to meds that are actually not needed, a small change in diet should be discussed in that ten minutes with the doctor....which is way too short. All meds have side effects, all meds are toxic in nature but can change a reaction to help someone but the best way is to go back to sensible eating, too much veggies is also bad for some people, everyone is different.

One third of tests are not needed, but someone needs to pay for the technicians and the technology and that is raising healthcare costs around this country.



posted on May, 29 2017 @ 09:56 AM
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originally posted by: JoshuaCox
a reply to: Dfairlite

Insurance companies period are a middle man that does NOT preform a medical function . Yet they are taking like .30 off the top of every dollar spent on health care..


They are paper pushers taking a bigger cut of the pie than ANYONE else who actually performs a medical service.

Of course we are paying too much.. that is why every modern country on the planet has gotten rid of them..


Health care CANNOT take care of everyone AND make a profit..

Insurance companies don't make money off most of their customers.. they make it off those who buy a policy and never use it, or that they deny coverage to.


hey hey....we don't allow logic and critical thinking here in trumpworld. nothing is ever the fault of big business making profits.



posted on May, 29 2017 @ 10:02 AM
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a reply to: Dfairlite

"" The Only Cut in Trump's Budget is to Medicare. Why? ""

Why?

Because there's cuts to many other areas.

Lie.




posted on May, 29 2017 @ 10:28 AM
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a reply to: Dfairlite

There is enough medicare going around. When people actually lose it then we will debate it, but I have yet to seen anyone lose it. Just more smoke and mirror for the Democrats.
edit on 29-5-2017 by amfirst1 because: (no reason given)



posted on May, 29 2017 @ 10:43 AM
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a reply to: rickymouse

The Bill to Fix Heathcare for All

Long read that anyone posting on state of healthcare in US should read - non-partisan truth starkly put forth.

I'll add stop stuffing carbs in pie hole, don't get Type II diabetes and you'll not have to depend on taxpayers for metformin, amputation, nerve damage, strokes, cardiac failure and kidney failure with dyalis in your last dying days.

400 billion savings right there!

That medical industry fails to give cold hard facts and instead milks you for $$$$ before slow death should tell one all you need to know on the subject.



posted on May, 29 2017 @ 10:47 AM
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a reply to: uncommitted

Right..MSM says there are LOTS OF CUTS. Fake News again on their part?



posted on May, 29 2017 @ 11:04 AM
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originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: uncommitted

Right..MSM says there are LOTS OF CUTS. Fake News again on their part?



No, see post from xuenchen a little above mine, The Fake News is the OP saying ONLY medicare is being cut. If the MSM were saying there are lots of cuts when there is only a cut to medicare, that would be rubbished immediately. It hasn't been, because it's not the case.

I'm just puzzled why you made that comment presumably without checking and that someone starred your post who presumably also didn't check and thought you must be right..... this place is strange where BS is treated as fact by some people.



posted on May, 29 2017 @ 11:08 AM
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originally posted by: Dfairlite
a reply to: Painterz

Are you going to go to school for 10 years, do a 4 year residency and take on hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of debt (or pay that out of your bank account as you go) so that you can work "not for profit"?


None of that justifies law breaking such as charging different prices for "like kind services" participating in price collusion with third parties, participation in fraudulent activities such as mandatory "doctor owned" lab referrals at extraordinary markups. Collusion with pharmaceutical industry via indirect payment to push drugs. Committing fraud with drive-by hospital room visits.

Make a deal,

Doctors stop raping public and I'll support tort reform to reduce malpractice insurance which I pay for anyway through taxes, insurance or direct charge.


Sorry haven't bought into doctors are martyrs and hero's bit for about 30 years when this crap really got going.



posted on May, 29 2017 @ 11:12 AM
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a reply to: uncommitted


Which cuts are cuts, and which cuts are decreasing the rate of increase of a particular program. So many ways to spin budget items.

Take Obama's first budget for example. Fangs were out over it, just like they are now over Trump's 2018 proposals.
www.politifact.com...



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posted on May, 29 2017 @ 11:32 AM
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originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: uncommitted


Which cuts are cuts, and which cuts are decreasing the rate of increase of a particular program. So many ways to spin budget items.

Take Obama's first budget for example. Fangs were out over it, just like they are now over Trump's 2018 proposals.
www.politifact.com...




Cuts to the departments I listed are cuts based on previous spend. Why are you making this about Obama? The only thing that has received any cut according to the OP is medicare. That is incorrect.



posted on May, 29 2017 @ 12:39 PM
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I see Mexico IS going to pay for that wall after all



Ruh-row


welfare....how dare he. Page 43
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posted on May, 29 2017 @ 02:17 PM
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originally posted by: Dfairlite
a reply to: D8Tee



Health care for profit is bound to leave some out in the cold.


Not true at all. Do you know which hospitals make the most profit? Non-profits. Look it up.




Bullsh*t
edit on 29-5-2017 by redhorse because: (no reason given)



posted on May, 29 2017 @ 02:23 PM
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originally posted by: uncommitted

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: uncommitted


Which cuts are cuts, and which cuts are decreasing the rate of increase of a particular program. So many ways to spin budget items.

Take Obama's first budget for example. Fangs were out over it, just like they are now over Trump's 2018 proposals.
www.politifact.com...




Cuts to the departments I listed are cuts based on previous spend. Why are you making this about Obama? The only thing that has received any cut according to the OP is medicare. That is incorrect.


You are correct. Medicare Disability was cut (big thread on that last week) and so are many other programs.

No matter who the President is, the losing party complains. That's why I referenced Obama's budget. Republicans hated it. AS EXPECTED, the reverse is true today.

Even though Trump's tax cuts are GOOD for everyone, Liberals will most likely not accept them. Not my President = Not my Tax Cuts. I wonder if the IRS can carve-out liberals to keep them at the same tax rate where we are today?



posted on May, 29 2017 @ 03:00 PM
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It depends who on medicare is going to pay the piper. There are so many on medicare that Obama put there to hide the costs of his illegal import business he had been running in the background.a reply to: Dfairlite



posted on May, 29 2017 @ 03:19 PM
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How much does healthcare cost for 25 -40 million illegal aliens?
We'll never know because it has always been written off as losses by hospitals or subsidized by government (until Obamacare came to the rescue!).
Sorry to point out the elephant in the room but these people often cross the border for the sole purpose of delivering a baby which if premature may cost a mere $500,000 before they even leave the hospital. That child is now covered for life under US social welfare programs and thanks to our overly-generous family reunification policies those same benefits get extended to not just parents and siblings but anyone who claims to live as family with them.
When was the government ever so generous with it's very own citizens?



posted on May, 29 2017 @ 06:52 PM
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originally posted by: Dfairlite
a reply to: Painterz

Are you going to go to school for 10 years, do a 4 year residency and take on hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of debt (or pay that out of your bank account as you go) so that you can work "not for profit"?


Doctors in Britain and Canada, where they have socialized medicine are paid well.



posted on May, 29 2017 @ 06:54 PM
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a reply to: Dfairlite

We'll wait until you turn 65 then well cut it, okay



posted on May, 29 2017 @ 07:29 PM
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a reply to: Willtell

Actually, I think the best solution is to come up with a cutoff age (say 40 as of this year, which would exclude myeslf from coverage!) and everyone keeps paying in until the program is phased out. If you're under 40 now you're on your own for coverage. But then we need to rename the tax so moron leftists don't try to do the same thing again. We can call it the failed socialist program tax.







 
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