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German Chancellor Merkel Warns; US & Britain no longer reliable partners

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posted on May, 29 2017 @ 06:27 AM
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originally posted by: Irishhaf
a reply to: Agartha

What military bases in Central and South America?

Honest curiosity... never seen a posting listed for those land masses, after nearly 20 years of looking for places to put in for orders to.


You won't see them in a map as official US bases because many are local military bases and the US have access to them. The one I know more about is the Mariscal Estigarribia in Paraguay, a very strategic location near the border between Brazil, Argentina and Paraguay. If you speak to the locals (I visited Misiones in Argentina 5 years ago) they will tell you they see hundreds and hundreds of US soldiers there, not a few dozens as official figures say. - LINK -

There are lots of articles in Spanish (if you speak the language), this one is a few years old but in English and still relevant if you want to research more: US military bases in the Caribbean and Latin America.

Even if we believe official records, there are US troops in Latin America.
Argentina agrees to two US bases in the country.
Perú.




posted on May, 29 2017 @ 06:38 AM
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a reply to: Groot
And why did you get involved in WW2? Because Peal Harbour was bombed! Do you not learn your own history?



posted on May, 29 2017 @ 06:50 AM
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originally posted by: Agartha
Wrong, all countries have until 2024 to increase their military spending by 2% of their own GDP, which means Germany will actually pay more than other countries. NATO 2014 Summit Declaration.




My apologies, you are correct. The NATO charter requires each nation to fund NATO however no number is provided. The 2% occurred in 2014 like you stated.



posted on May, 29 2017 @ 06:53 AM
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originally posted by: WilsonWilson
And why did you get involved in WW2? Because Peal Harbour was bombed! Do you not learn your own history?


And because Germany declared war on the USA. And Japan declared war on Britain too, not just the US.



posted on May, 29 2017 @ 06:57 AM
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What a joke.

Fight for their own destiny? Too late for that I fear, the destiny of Germany is now written in stone, you don't have to be thick to see that.

Boo hoo lib, the United States isn't paying to keep NATO afloat any longer. So what?

Maybe Saudi Arabia will help with the costs?



posted on May, 29 2017 @ 07:34 AM
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a reply to: paraphi
The Euro has helped us with exports, yes. But before that we got a 50% cut in buying power. If you spend six years in Germany and not living under a rock, you´d know our finance ministers do everything to keep us in the black numbers. To brush this all away and say the Euro is the cause for our good economy is extremly short sighted.

You also project Merkels bull# on the whole population. Well done.



posted on May, 29 2017 @ 08:43 AM
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a reply to: Xcathdra

No, but you found out the truth already it seems.
Moreover, the military spending used to be far higher many years ago, but than we got a good relation with Russia after chernobyl and the collapse of the sovjetunion.
So without threat and the commitment of both Russia and the rest of the EU to build good ties and become trading partners, the military spending seemed absurdly high.
That all changed quite a bit after the orange revolution.

The key points are:
there is no contribution to a NATO fund, hence there is no question of owing money to NATO or the US.
The 2 percent is about domestic military budget.
Either Trump does not understand NATO, or he is playing with the minds of many.



posted on May, 29 2017 @ 08:52 AM
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OMG, are you guys saying the Hun has sustained massive BH ??

Not so long ago.............



Buck



posted on May, 29 2017 @ 08:52 AM
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a reply to: Breakthestreak

That is what Trump accomplished and what the US and UK has sought to prevent since the 50s.
It is also why we have the euro since the unification of Germany after the wall in 1989.
Out of fear for a renewed strong Germany, france wanted a European Germany, not a German Europe, hence the euro was formed and the road to the EU as it is today a fact with Germany and France as the axle.



posted on May, 29 2017 @ 09:01 AM
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originally posted by: Agartha

originally posted by: Irishhaf
a reply to: Agartha

What military bases in Central and South America?

Honest curiosity... never seen a posting listed for those land masses, after nearly 20 years of looking for places to put in for orders to.


You won't see them in a map as official US bases because many are local military bases and the US have access to them. The one I know more about is the Mariscal Estigarribia in Paraguay, a very strategic location near the border between Brazil, Argentina and Paraguay. If you speak to the locals (I visited Misiones in Argentina 5 years ago) they will tell you they see hundreds and hundreds of US soldiers there, not a few dozens as official figures say. - LINK -

There are lots of articles in Spanish (if you speak the language), this one is a few years old but in English and still relevant if you want to research more: US military bases in the Caribbean and Latin America.

Even if we believe official records, there are US troops in Latin America.
Argentina agrees to two US bases in the country.
Perú.


Fair enough, I was not aware of most of those... ones I was aware of are little more than associate level... we have personnel and some people and equipment in place in the event of a dust up we can spin it up to use as a forward operating location.

ETA: by associate level, they are not even big enough to register on the base list for a permanent change of station, if you are not in one of the few career fields on that base it will never be heard from.

edit on 29-5-2017 by Irishhaf because: additional thought



posted on May, 29 2017 @ 10:17 AM
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originally posted by: verschickter
The Euro has helped us with exports, yes. But before that we got a 50% cut in buying power.


They go hand in hand. The Euro reduced relative labour costs, thus helping exporters. The rest of the EU (need to avoid saying "the rest of Europe", as the EU is not Europe) have not fared so well as they have had to adjust upwards. The Euro only really works if national considerations are set aside for "the common good", but this has not happened and Germany has pursued an agenda that has treated the Euro like the Deutsche Mark. They have been able to do this because they are the biggest economy in the Eurozone and have got bigger over time, while others have stagnated or shrunk.



You also project Merkels bull# on the whole population. Well done.


Nope you have lost me with this one.



posted on May, 29 2017 @ 10:24 AM
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a reply to: Lucidparadox

It speaks volumes that all the cuck beta males leaders in Europe bow to Merkel and her Islamic invasion.



posted on May, 29 2017 @ 10:49 AM
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originally posted by: Groot

originally posted by: WilsonWilson
a reply to: Groot
Dear god the arrogance and ignorance is outstanding, when the # has American done anything for Europe that wasn't to benefit itself?



Um, Guess we should have sat at home in twiddled our thumbs in WW II ?



Well, seeing as you had to bring it up.... you did for a couple of years until you got your act together and realised there was profit to be made. Yes, lots of brave people from many countries lost their lives in the conflict, but not many countries made money out of it.

Do any Americans learn actual history? It's a good job the Russians didn't twiddle their thumbs, and a better job that the RAF kept the uk skies safe while Joe Kennedy was urging his president not to join the war as he was sure there would soon be swastikas hanging from lamp posts in Downing street.

I seriously find it weird how little some on here seem to know about actual history compared to history via Hollywood or HBO.



posted on May, 29 2017 @ 11:04 AM
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originally posted by: uncommitted

originally posted by: Groot

originally posted by: WilsonWilson
a reply to: Groot
Dear god the arrogance and ignorance is outstanding, when the # has American done anything for Europe that wasn't to benefit itself?



Um, Guess we should have sat at home in twiddled our thumbs in WW II ?



Well, seeing as you had to bring it up.... you did for a couple of years until you got your act together and realised there was profit to be made. Yes, lots of brave people from many countries lost their lives in the conflict, but not many countries made money out of it.

Do any Americans learn actual history? It's a good job the Russians didn't twiddle their thumbs, and a better job that the RAF kept the uk skies safe while Joe Kennedy was urging his president not to join the war as he was sure there would soon be swastikas hanging from lamp posts in Downing street.

I seriously find it weird how little some on here seem to know about actual history compared to history via Hollywood or HBO.


the RAF woudnt had been able to protect Britain without materials and funds from the US though so dont be too quick to claim they did it all by their lonesome. The russians would had taken over Europe themselves if germany would had been defeated before the US joined the war. Stalin had designs himself on a russian europe.

On topic though. Germany and britain intelligence leaks from the US side can be easily fixed. Simply hold the publishers liable for their employees publishing leaked material.



posted on May, 29 2017 @ 11:15 AM
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a reply to: yuppa


the RAF woudnt had been able to protect Britain without materials and funds from the US though so dont be too quick to claim they did it all by their lonesome. The russians would had taken over Europe themselves if germany would had been defeated before the US joined the war. Stalin had designs himself on a russian europe.


On the first point, potentially yes, although even there neither funds nor material were provided for free, sheesh, the debt was only paid off in full (with interest) this century. If Russia would have taken over Europe by 1942 is debatable to be honest - but it's up the in the 'what if' scenarios.


dont be too quick to claim they did it all by their lonesome


My post was in response to someone suggesting that's exactly what America did.



posted on May, 29 2017 @ 11:21 AM
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originally posted by: Xcathdra
My apologies, you are correct. The NATO charter requires each nation to fund NATO however no number is provided. The 2% occurred in 2014 like you stated.


No need to apologise, most countries have actually not yet reached the agreed 2%, but they still have 7 years to get there. Here is a breakdown of each country's contribution by 2016, provided by NATO.

The US is the country that spends the biggest amount of its GDP on its military (which has nothing to do with the NATO agreement, the US just spends lots in defense) but the US is the only country in the world that has ever benefited and invoked Article V. That's very important to keep in mind when talking about this NATO budget business.




originally posted by: Breakthestreak
Boo hoo lib, the United States isn't paying to keep NATO afloat any longer. So what?

Maybe Saudi Arabia will help with the costs?


Do you realize how contradictory your statement is? First of all the US does NOT pay NATO, nobody pays NATO... so simple to understand yet so hard for some...

Second, Trump is the one who went down on his knees for the Middle East leaders he met, who gave him the highest civilian honours.... and Saudi Arabia is the country with links to 9/11, not Germany, not Europe.

Oh the irony..........
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posted on May, 29 2017 @ 12:33 PM
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a reply to: uncommitted

Your not completely right there. We were give materials and help by the US but you also got a lot from us. A lot of the nuclear research as part of Tube Alloys was subsumed into the Manhatten project and certainly speeded up the process. At the end of the war you forgot to give us access to the bomb breaking an agreement to share.
Also the Tizard mission greatly increased your knowledge and gifted you access to radar, submarine detection, plastic explosives and many other things. We also had to pay it all back. The US didn't do badly out of the deal.



posted on May, 29 2017 @ 12:34 PM
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lol gfy Merkel

Keep that mouth open for Turkey.
edit on 29-5-2017 by Lysergic because: (no reason given)



posted on May, 29 2017 @ 12:38 PM
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Merkel and her people are still having crying fits about not getting their way...


Germany's foreign minister launched a scathing criticism of Donald Trump on Monday, claiming the US President's actions have "weakened" the West and accusing the US government of standing "against the interests of the European Union." Just 24 hours after German Chancellor Angela Merkel declared that Europe could no longer completely rely on traditional allies such as the US and Britain, the country's top diplomat, Sigmar Gabriel, went a step further....


...isn;t it just terrible that a sovereign country doesn't fall into line with the interests of the unelected dictatorship of the European Union.

...and then we get to the real issue...


"Anyone who accelerates climate change by weakening environmental protection, who sells more weapons in conflict zones and who does not want to politically resolve religious conflicts is putting peace in Europe at risk," Gabriel said


One of the main vehicles for globalist control is under threat - the AGW hoax.

edit on 29/5/2017 by UKTruth because: (no reason given)



posted on May, 29 2017 @ 12:43 PM
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The US and GB warn that Angela Merkel loves to see Angela Merkel in the news and, because she would do anything to appear important, was never a reliable partner of the western world. Her latest desire to appear "European tolerant and sophisticated" have led Germany into deep trouble along with the rest of Europe. She should dust off her books and look at the history of Vienna in 1529 and 1683.




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