It looks like you're using an Ad Blocker.

Please white-list or disable AboveTopSecret.com in your ad-blocking tool.

Thank you.

 

Some features of ATS will be disabled while you continue to use an ad-blocker.

 

Donald Trump to hungry seniors: Drop dead

page: 14
64
<< 11  12  13    15  16  17 >>

log in

join
share:

posted on May, 30 2017 @ 07:52 AM
link   
a reply to: jtma508

My cousins refused to let my grandmother go into a nursing home so they would keep their inheritance. They suckered my mom into quitting her job to take my grandmother in and then never helped.




posted on May, 30 2017 @ 07:53 AM
link   
a reply to: olaru12

If i live long enough I want to be Trump's carer.

'and here comes the airplane-sorry the airplane was grounded due to budget cuts and Muslims, if yo are lucky you might get fed next fiscal year.'

The good news is we can help. My elderly neighbor gets a roast meal or a bowl of spaghetti Bolognaise whenever I cook and he is genuinely appreciative. I don't align with any political nutcases who rant about socialism while never lifting a finger to help the elderly, I do what I do because I want to help.

If you have an elderly neighbor, ask them if they need anything and help-forget the anti socialist diatribe, politics have nothing to do with being a decent human being.



posted on May, 30 2017 @ 08:20 AM
link   
a reply to: penroc3

I noticed that aspect when my father, who had Anaplastic Thyroid Carcinoma, was put in palliative care at the VA. I was the one that took care of two households including pets while working a full time job and being the runner every day to relieve the three generations of women (my mother, sister and niece) who camped out in my father's room.

It was extremely sad to see others in that palliative care unit who never had visits from family. In my many trips I did not see a single instance outside my family have visits and even the staff there loved the fact that my father had such support and often told us how lucky my father did not die alone because most patients did.

It is sad but true. In this society of "Me First" people really hit home with me seeing what I seen there... and these were all veterans. It is crazy.



posted on May, 30 2017 @ 08:25 AM
link   
a reply to: Sublimecraft

There are many Americans, even right here on ATS, that leave me with the impression that non-Americans are more important than Americans regarding every aspect of existing on this planet. For instance, many of these folks I refer to believe with all their hearts and minds that someone in the US illegally should be treated better as well as being afforded all the rights and privileges of actual citizens - especially if those citizens are politically opposite or not-the-right-religion to these Americans who prefer non-Americans to Americans.

As far as caring for foreigners, millions of Yemenis are dying of hunger and plague right now, nary a peep...

The irony is the cutbacks to aid programs in the uS is to pay for more bombs, super ironic that defense companies in the US just secured hundreds of billions in arms contracts with Saudi Arabia to continue the Proxy war on Yemen, for US.

But lets get upset at cutting back meals on wheels.



posted on May, 30 2017 @ 08:26 AM
link   
a reply to: MOMof3
$7000.00 a month is cheap.

If you had to do this at home you would need at least 2 caregivers. The caregiver has the right to breaks and uninterrupted sleep. Even at a minimum wage of $7.25, that alone would cost you $5220.00 a month, and that does not include any differential for nights, overtime, weekend pay, or holiday pay.

Now consider the cost of meals, housekeeping, personal care items, hygiene items, laundry, etc. When you do the math you will quickly realize that you can't do it at home any cheaper. This is the problem I used to run into almost everyday when I was a Case Manager. People resented the pricing at the assisted living facilities but they never did the math.

My mother lives with me and I take care of all of her expenses; she has no income. I am very blessed that it costs me almost nothing to care for her outside of what I would spend if she wasn't with me. My cost of living would remain the same or in all honesty, would probably cost me more, if she wasn't with me. She doesn't require constant supervision and I have a lot of family. Her church is stellar in their support of the elderly and the needy.

There are many community and church programs available that people that are not aware of because they are usually provided by small groups to meet a known need. If you are not a member of that community or church, you won't know the programs exist. I would start with researching what is being provided and what is available in your area.



posted on May, 30 2017 @ 08:35 AM
link   

originally posted by: NightSkyeB4Dawn
a reply to: MOMof3
$7000.00 a month is cheap.

If you had to do this at home you would need at least 2 caregivers. The caregiver has the right to breaks and uninterrupted sleep. Even at a minimum wage of $7.25, that alone would cost you $5220.00 a month, and that does not include any differential for nights, overtime, weekend pay, or holiday pay.

Now consider the cost of meals, housekeeping, personal care items, hygiene items, laundry, etc. When you do the math you will quickly realize that you can't do it at home any cheaper. This is the problem I used to run into almost everyday when I was a Case Manager. People resented the pricing at the assisted living facilities but they never did the math.

My mother lives with me and I take care of all of her expenses; she has no income. I am very blessed that it costs me almost nothing to care for her outside of what I would spend if she wasn't with me. My cost of living would remain the same or in all honesty, would probably cost me more, if she wasn't with me. She doesn't require constant supervision and I have a lot of family. Her church is stellar in their support of the elderly and the needy.

There are many community and church programs available that people that are not aware of because they are usually provided by small groups to meet a known need. If you are not a member of that community or church, you won't know the programs exist. I would start with researching what is being provided and what is available in your area.


Our community just had a lot of job losses since the election. We are socially stressed on every level. My daughter is an administrator for a well known assited living facility. They got word from head office they will no longer accept Medicaid residents. They have cut funding so low, it's not worth it to the business. Plus the addition of more cuts. More job losses looming.



posted on May, 30 2017 @ 08:43 AM
link   
a reply to: MOMof3

So what will happen to Medicaid folk without family who need care services?
Do they just rot at home or is there some other 'safety net' available?
It sounds awful if there is nothing for some poor folk.



posted on May, 30 2017 @ 08:44 AM
link   
It astounds me that there can be so much argument about helping people in some kind of need.


It seems as though a number of people are incapable of actual empathy.



posted on May, 30 2017 @ 08:51 AM
link   

originally posted by: grainofsand
a reply to: MOMof3

So what will happen to Medicaid folk without family who need care services?
Do they just rot at home or is there some other 'safety net' available?
It sounds awful if there is nothing for some poor folk.





The current admins have never had to do this . We don't know what will happen. By this time , they have lost or sold homes to cover medical bills. Move to WA State.



posted on May, 30 2017 @ 09:11 AM
link   
a reply to: grainofsand
So what happens depends on what can of life, what kind of world, what kind of future we want.

The time of the lone wolf is over. It is time to start walking the walk.

To borrow a few words from someone that says it better than me.



You have been telling the people,
That this is the eleventh hour.
Now, you must go and tell the people,
That THIS is the hour,
And there are things to be considered.

Where are you living?
What are you doing?
What are your relationships?
re you in the right relationship?
Where is your water?
Know your garden ...

It is time to speak your truth.
Create your community,
Be good to each other.
Do not look outside yourself for a leader.

There is a river flowing now very fast,
It is so great and swift.
That there are those who will be afraid,
hey will try to hold onto the shore.
They will feel they are being pulled apart,
And will suffer greatly.

Understand that the river knows its' destination,
The elders say we must let go of the shore.
Push off into the middle of the river,
Keep our eyes open and our heads above water.

And I say; see who is in there with you,
Hold fast to them and celebrate!
At this time in history,
We are to take nothing personally.
Least of all, ourselves!
For the moment we do,
Our spiritual growth and journey comes to an end.

The time of the Lone Wolf is over!
Gather yourselves!
Banish the word 'struggle' from Your attitude and vocabulary.
All that we do now must be done,
In a sacred manner and in celebration.

We are all about to go on a journey,
We are the one's we have been waiting for!

--- Thomas Banyacya Sr. (1910-1999); Speaker of the Wolf, Fox and Coyote Clan Elder of the Hopi Nation



posted on May, 30 2017 @ 09:14 AM
link   

originally posted by: MOMof3
The current admins have never had to do this . We don't know what will happen. By this time , they have lost or sold homes to cover medical bills. Move to WA State.

The situation sounds terrible for some folk.

Here in the UK if someone owns their home and goes into residential or nursing home care then the local government puts a mortgage type charge on the property and provides all care eating away at the property value until there is £22,000 left. That is the cut off point, and after that the care is provided free until the person dies.
This means that the person can still pass on £22,000 to their children after they die.

If the person requires care at home, it is means tested but the value of their house is not taking into account in the calculation just income from disability benefits/state pension etc. They are still relatively poor, but fed well, roof over head, and most importantly, cared for.

If someone is renting their home then their rent is paid for by the local government, property taxes are paid for, and they get the home care free. If they go into residential/nursing home care then they lose the rent assistance for their home but that is pretty irrelevant because the state is paying for their new home, the care home.

As an aside, we have similar questions about funding the whole thing in the UK, and with the election coming up it is an issue.
The Conservative party here are advocating a change where homeowners will have the value of their home taken into account when calculating charges for care at home, but with a big change. They will raise the cut off point to £100,000 so even if a person requires 20 years of care at home until they die, they will still pass £100,000 on to their families from the sale of their property after death.

It is an expensive system but one I support passionately, and although I'm a mixed bag politically, I'd pay an extra 10 pence in the pound in my income tax if I knew it was earmarked for our health and social care system.
Most people I speak to feel pretty much the same.



posted on May, 30 2017 @ 09:14 AM
link   

originally posted by: NightSkyeB4Dawn
a reply to: grainofsand
So what happens depends on what can of life, what kind of world, what kind of future we want.

The time of the lone wolf is over. It is time to start walking the walk.

To borrow a few words from someone that says it better than me.



You have been telling the people,
That this is the eleventh hour.
Now, you must go and tell the people,
That THIS is the hour,
And there are things to be considered.

Where are you living?
What are you doing?
What are your relationships?
re you in the right relationship?
Where is your water?
Know your garden ...

It is time to speak your truth.
Create your community,
Be good to each other.
Do not look outside yourself for a leader.

There is a river flowing now very fast,
It is so great and swift.
That there are those who will be afraid,
hey will try to hold onto the shore.
They will feel they are being pulled apart,
And will suffer greatly.

Understand that the river knows its' destination,
The elders say we must let go of the shore.
Push off into the middle of the river,
Keep our eyes open and our heads above water.

And I say; see who is in there with you,
Hold fast to them and celebrate!
At this time in history,
We are to take nothing personally.
Least of all, ourselves!
For the moment we do,
Our spiritual growth and journey comes to an end.

The time of the Lone Wolf is over!
Gather yourselves!
Banish the word 'struggle' from Your attitude and vocabulary.
All that we do now must be done,
In a sacred manner and in celebration.

We are all about to go on a journey,
We are the one's we have been waiting for!

--- Thomas Banyacya Sr. (1910-1999); Speaker of the Wolf, Fox and Coyote Clan Elder of the Hopi Nation




Truth always makes beautiful words. Thanks for sharing.



posted on May, 30 2017 @ 09:33 AM
link   

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: jtma508

My cousins refused to let my grandmother go into a nursing home so they would keep their inheritance. They suckered my mom into quitting her job to take my grandmother in and then never helped.


Hey. No doubt it happens. Your cousins are clearly repugnant people. But to say that all or the majority of people behave or feel that way is simply untrue.



posted on May, 30 2017 @ 09:43 AM
link   
Can we take smoking ad funds and seat belt enforcement program money and just buy these people food?

How about eliminating all that sensitivity training for federal employees or sham HR positions (or all sham positions) all throughout government and feed them?

How about taking funding from illegal alien arrivals so our people get food?

Or how about getting George Soros or other campaign finacers to pay a bit of the US budget as a thank you for not killing them during the LATEST global economic crisis.

edit on 5 30 2017 by tadaman because: (no reason given)



posted on May, 30 2017 @ 09:50 AM
link   

originally posted by: Sublimecraft
a reply to: WUNK22

There are many Americans, even right here on ATS, that leave me with the impression that non-Americans are more important than Americans regarding every aspect of existing on this planet.


"non-Americans" are not eligible, nor benefit from this or any of the multitude of programs Trump has decided should be cut or eliminated.

Right wing default defense of EVERYTHING...blame/fear the brown people and foreigners....

It is called the older AMERICANS act..."non-Americans " are not eligible. The qualifications to benefit from the program involve calculating Social Security benefits, verifying income through tax returns etc.



posted on May, 30 2017 @ 09:52 AM
link   

originally posted by: tadaman

How about eliminating all that sensitivity training for federal employees or sham HR positions (or all sham positions) all throughout government and feed them?



Then president Trump would put himself out of job..



posted on May, 30 2017 @ 09:56 AM
link   
a reply to: Indigo5

No, but seriously, I find it laughable that ANYONE says some are monsters for not wanting to do for others when those same people advocate for less than frugal spending by government.

Oh money is tight? Welp, time to cut back. You want nice things AND a high level of basic assistance?

Time to send the people to go to work and PRODUCE for that end.

Certain things need be axed.

I dont want this funding cut mind you, but it makes a good reminder of how things suffer when we spend like there is infinite money


edit on 5 30 2017 by tadaman because: (no reason given)



posted on May, 30 2017 @ 09:57 AM
link   

originally posted by: grainofsand
a reply to: MOMof3

So what will happen to Medicaid folk without family who need care services?
Do they just rot at home or is there some other 'safety net' available?
It sounds awful if there is nothing for some poor folk.


It is a top down shift in American Values...Living an honorable life, serving your country, blue collar hard work...none of it has virtue in this new Trump-conservative paradigm...Be White and Get Rich or die quick is the standard by which empathy is measured. $$$$$ is the value of a life well lived. Empathy, service, honor, dignity...have lost market value with conservatives.



posted on May, 30 2017 @ 09:59 AM
link   

originally posted by: wheresthebody
It astounds me that there can be so much argument about helping people in some kind of need.


It seems as though a number of people are incapable of actual empathy.


Totally agree. The politards have been able to polarize just about everything these days to the point that common-sense issues such as this become "You're either WITH keeping people alive by feeding them or you're (insert currently popular ideologically-derived insult here).



posted on May, 30 2017 @ 10:05 AM
link   
a reply to: Indigo5

Sounds terrible if that is the case.
Is it all about Federal government issues or can the people change things like meals for vulnerable old folk at a state/county level?
Would a state/county candidate stand a chance if they supported tax funded services like that while bypassing the Federal level?

Sorry for so many questions, I'm just genuinely interested.
I ask about state level because due to population the UK would effectively be just a state in the US. I often wonder (hypothetically of course) if the UK became a state of the US would we still keep our tax funded services, or would everyone from poorer states just move here such as what happened with the EU.
Poor folk from Hungary, Poland etc flooded here for the better standard of living.




top topics



 
64
<< 11  12  13    15  16  17 >>

log in

join