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Donald Trump to hungry seniors: Drop dead

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posted on May, 29 2017 @ 10:57 AM
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a reply to: olaru12

I have learned to live without insurance, no medical coverage. It is rough no doubt.



(post by grainofsand removed for a manners violation)

posted on May, 29 2017 @ 12:55 PM
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As usual...Trump is 100% right! Our government (mostly the left) throw money at supporting terrorists (money to the Palestinians that pay terrorists) and thousands of their other "worthy" goals. That flow of money has to stop. And if it would...you would find billions and billions to spend on seniors, the children, schooling, etc.

So...how do you make that happen? Well...the left have promised everything to everyone (eg. buying votes) and Trump is doing the smart thing. Choke them! Cut off the flow of money. Force them to spend where it should be spent...on America and Americans. Those who work or contribute.

There is more than enough money for the whole country to have (pretty much) everything they want. But only if the left is forced to stop paying for votes and paying off businesses to support them. Cut that number...and you fund the American people.

So I say this to the Dems. Trump has caught you in a corner. You only get so much money. Where do you want to spend it??? On the American people and their needs...or your voting illegals, lazy don't wanna work poor or your #ing personal libraries and left supporting businesses?

Your choice will decide your fate!!! And yes...that likely means you will die.
edit on 5/29/2017 by WeAreAWAKE because: (no reason given)



posted on May, 29 2017 @ 12:58 PM
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a reply to: WeAreAWAKE

Every other English speaking country seems to be able to provide health and social care to it's citizens through a universal insurance/taxation system.
It's a #ing shame the US does not.
Close those bases in the EU, tell the EU to man the # up and be the strong 500+ million superstate it pretends to be.



posted on May, 29 2017 @ 01:36 PM
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originally posted by: grainofsand

originally posted by: Logarock

originally posted by: grainofsand

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: grainofsand

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
Do you let a fire burn until the fire truck shows up? Do you leave the rescuing of others to the rescue services?

Don't lamely deflect, I thought better of you, honestly.
Do you advocate fire & rescue services should be funded by taxes in states where they are currently?
Smells socialist as # to me.


You are "lamely deflecting" by bringing up something completely irrelevant.

Do you support or condemn free meals for your old folk?
Don't be a weasel.
I support tax funded food for vulnerable old people.



With the seriously nation disabling debt that we have, next of kin should be made by law to assume these cost in 90% of cases. I mean if you really want to protect the future.

So you don't support the state helping people with no families close?


Grain, my new found friend. I do totally agree with you here on helping the TRULY needy. I think what the Lesmisanthope's are saying here is the FAMILY is adbicating their responsibility and the tax payers are totally swamped now. Our national debt is beyond imagination of when I was a youth.

YES I totally believe we should help those with no family!

Also, YES send the freeloaders from illegal entry back to the place they come to so we CAN afford to take care of the ones deserving.

Les is basically saying means test people and get the family to quit being greedy slobs who ignore family!!

I don't see him being "die all you old folks" at all.

Who about saying it this way?:

FEED the NEEDY!! Get rid of the GREEDY.



posted on May, 29 2017 @ 01:37 PM
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originally posted by: Logarock
a reply to: Kandinsky


My opinion to yours is that we need to sharp turn away from the big program solutions. Get real and get back to the earth by making the extended families the solution. Would cover 75% well enough and give tax breaks to kinfolk rather than collecting tax. This is far more healthy a solution for world mentally and spiritually.



I could NOT agree more with this concept!!!



posted on May, 29 2017 @ 01:38 PM
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originally posted by: UKTruth
There is just one slight problem with the story... there are no cuts in the budget proposal.


DAMN, i fell for it too UK.



posted on May, 29 2017 @ 01:41 PM
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a reply to: Justoneman

Agreed, I also despair at lazy families in the UK who will demand home care services for their elderly mother or whatever because they fail to look after their loved one themselves.
We have much of that here, and it is shameless.
My mother will never need state help for food or general care, we will provide it as a family or pay others to do it if we can't do it collectively as a family.
Lazy entitled bastards are out there, certainly in the UK.



posted on May, 29 2017 @ 01:43 PM
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originally posted by: grainofsand

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: grainofsand

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: grainofsand
a reply to: LesMisanthrope
You slippery #, be direct for a change, do you disagree with the funding of projects in the OP, yes and no LMFAO, why yes and no?
Too chicken# to be straight talking?


Be direct? What does that entail exactly?

Every project needs to be funded, doesn't it?

So explain the projects you'd fund and explain why.
Don't be lame as # skirting the actual question.
Slippery #.


I've never thought about it.

So now you have, what are your thoughts, you slippery eel?


My sides are splitting reading you two going back and forth.

edit on 29-5-2017 by Justoneman because: (no reason given)



posted on May, 29 2017 @ 01:55 PM
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originally posted by: grainofsand
a reply to: Justoneman

Agreed, I also despair at lazy families in the UK who will demand home care services for their elderly mother or whatever because they fail to look after their loved one themselves.
We have much of that here, and it is shameless.
My mother will never need state help for food or general care, we will provide it as a family or pay others to do it if we can't do it collectively as a family.
Lazy entitled bastards are out there, certainly in the UK.


But as you said earlier in the thread you wouldn't mind helping the lazy asses feed mum while they set around and watch the telly all day then. But hay Mom has always set a good example for years going to work while her droppingsm laied around the house.



posted on May, 29 2017 @ 01:56 PM
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originally posted by: Balans
My mother is now almost 75 and stuffed with arthritis. Her fingers and toes have grown bumpy and crooked in all kinds of ways, her back is killing her, the arthritis even manifested itself up her ***hole (one of the weirdest thing's I'd ever heard). She also had cataract operations on both her eyes, which actually made her eyes worse so she can't even read a book anymore without getting dizzy. She also often loses her balance when she's upright, which makes for very nefarious situations at times...
I take care of her almost everyday, as she has nobody else anymore.

My late sister had an alcohol addiction, that ultimately led to her demise. When she was still around I lost 3 jobs because of having to go rescue her without consent of my then employer. I never even thought twice about it, my sister's life was far more important than my job, and she got herself in all kinds of precarious situations. I once almost ended up in jail saving her from a rape, long story that one.
In any case, I loved my sister so I never blamed her personally for my losses. There's other people that caused her pains, and alcohol, but we all know the bad ones rarely take the fall.

So now I'm having the hardest time getting a job, because of bad references at my previous jobs. Bad references for bolting out the door to go rescue my sister.
I'm 37, living on welfare, looking for a job every single day and all I get is either I'm too old (they have to pay less to the young, even when I tell them to give me what they would pay the young, they can't because there's official barema's on how much you get paid by age) or I'm unreliable because of my previous escapades, even when I tell them my sister is now gone.

Since I was 18 I've always worked up until these last two years. I've done my couple of years in the military, even worked for my own for a couple of years putting up roof-isolation until I got robbed, lost all of my equipment and had to file for bankruptcy.

So I love hearing about how lazy I am and how I'm leeching off of society.

My situation is only one of a million different kinds that can make you hit rock-bottom. When I was younger I believed in the lazy-people fairytail. Now I'm a bit older and have lived through some s***, I thank my lucky stars for our social programs. Without them I'd be living on the streets trying to keep my mother alive and getting in all kinds of crookedness just to survive.

I guess some of you would still prefer that over having to pay some of your taxes to keep people like me around though.


Bless you very much, but still, you don't get it. It is people like you that we are SUPPOSED to help. That is the point the people are saying to you guys. HELP YOU, the needy. But, run off the greedy and we can help the needy properly.



posted on May, 29 2017 @ 01:59 PM
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originally posted by: grainofsand
a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

Ah sorry, I assumed you were US.
I agree, Australia has an excellent system as well, same Canada, NZ, and elsewhere.
Strange how some US members are happy for their fellow citizens to go bankrupt after getting cancer or whatever, and whine that vulnerable old people get free food.
Sounds heartless as # to me, but I live in a dirty commie country like yourself so we'll probably never understand it.


Do they have people coming to the US, spending their own money for healthcare here like the Canadians Grain? That is what is happening in the US. People from the "single payer gov healthcare" have to come here for important things they need, spend their own money or DIE waiting. True story guys, very true.



posted on May, 29 2017 @ 02:02 PM
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originally posted by: Logarock
But as you said earlier in the thread you wouldn't mind helping the lazy asses feed mum while they set around and watch the telly all day then.

You'd let Mum starve then because the lazy bastards don't visit her?

I'm an advocate for lazy families to be forced to help their own kin before leeching of taxpayers, but some will always slip through the net, you know, vulnerable people.



posted on May, 29 2017 @ 02:09 PM
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a reply to: Justoneman

True, and there are cases where the UK National Health Service will pay for groundbreaking treatment in the US because the NHS doesn't offer it.
People from the UK also go to the US for experimental treatment which the NHS won't fund, they fund themselves.
Absolutely agreed, some of the finest treatments exist in the US, but nobody in the UK goes bankrupt and loses their house for regular cancer or other life changing diseases.
Scotland is even better than England, all drugs are free, you have to pay around £8 for a months worth of drugs in England.



posted on May, 29 2017 @ 02:26 PM
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originally posted by: grainofsand
a reply to: Justoneman

True, and there are cases where the UK National Health Service will pay for groundbreaking treatment in the US because the NHS doesn't offer it.
People from the UK also go to the US for experimental treatment which the NHS won't fund, they fund themselves.
Absolutely agreed, some of the finest treatments exist in the US, but nobody in the UK goes bankrupt and loses their house for regular cancer or other life changing diseases.
Scotland is even better than England, all drugs are free, you have to pay around £8 for a months worth of drugs in England.


Before Obama Care there was something available called "Catastrophic Health Care" that prevented this issue of losing everything for the most part, but correct by you not ALL people had it. They turned off "Catastrophic Health Care" for some reason.

I think if we had just the catastrophic health insurance provided to all citizens for free if you will since it would cover the most extremes issues which are rare per 1000 population. Then, those people who had a job or were otherwise not needy could afford to be paying for things like cuts to the arm and such through "Accident Insurance". That might have the problem solved for real. Politicians making hay saying 'evil' party A is doing this to you and your family is hurting us all and lining the pockets of the already rich IMO!
edit on 29-5-2017 by Justoneman because: ETA

edit on 29-5-2017 by Justoneman because: ETA



posted on May, 29 2017 @ 02:35 PM
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originally posted by: grainofsand


I have learned to live without insurance, no medical coverage. It is rough no doubt.

It is an absolute disgrace that you live in the most powerful nation in the world and you have learned to accept lack of healthcare.
How any US member can justify this is beyond me, a national shame.

Yeah, healthcare is socialist dirty commie scum, # you, it's your own fault for not buying insurance, I don't give a # about your health, just that you were too # at managing your life to buy your own cover.
Murica, # yeah.


Everyone should have health insurance, or better yet, affordable out of pocket health costs and catastrophic insurance. Right now we are looking at 50% is paid though your job, 10% is self paid, 20% Medicaid, 15% Medicare, 5% other public aid, and 10% people just don't get anything.

So who the hell doesn't have something or not have something available?.....Trump's plan isn't going to change these numbers... and Obamacare forced many in brackets that already have insurance into that bracket while still not affordable for either the person or insurance companies...

So you tell me what is right...lol



posted on May, 29 2017 @ 10:05 PM
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To be completely honest here, who do you think fits the role of funding meals on wheels?

1) The government
2) Charities and donations

It's not the governments job to replace the role of charity.



posted on May, 29 2017 @ 10:52 PM
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It's not the governments job to replace the role of charity.


The job of the government is to manage "the peoples" money in a way that benefits everyone. So yes the government should be playing an active role making sure people do not fall through the cracks.



posted on May, 29 2017 @ 11:18 PM
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originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: olaru12


Even Military Veteran benefits are being cut, the Health care Veterans Administration is being cut. As a Vet, yes I support taking care of people that paid into the system either with $$$, time, or blood. I have done them all as a Veteran.

I don't care if you want to call it socialist. I call it Humanitarian.


Can you explain what those cuts are and how they effect you?

It's the older veterans, and ones eligible for social security and such, who are going to be hit hardest.



posted on May, 29 2017 @ 11:43 PM
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originally posted by: Skadi_the_Evil_Elf

It's the older veterans, and ones eligible for social security and such, who are going to be hit hardest.


Well you do switched over to Medicare from Tricare at 65, so I'm not sure how they will be hit the hardest compared to the last 30 years or so. If you are a disabled vet that part continues as you are eligible to use the vet hospital. I do not see Medicare going away, ever...
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