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Two Separate Hate-Crime Murders by White Supremacists

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posted on May, 27 2017 @ 03:39 PM
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originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: Liquesence


This is madness. What is causing all this hate and violence?


Well if you want to pick two out of the thousands per year (these have yet to be classified as hate crimes however), I would ask that you catch up.

This year’s report, which contains data from 14,997 law enforcement agencies, reveals 5,850 criminal incidents and 6,885 related offenses that were motivated by bias against race, ethnicity, ancestry, religion, sexual orientation, disability, gender, and gender identity.

www.fbi.gov...

Tons of a holes out there.


The FBI stats show that Blacks commit murder FAR in excess to their % of population. The stats are even biased by lumping Hispanics in with Whites. The only crime problem we have in America is Black crime. Liberals will do anything not to see the facts but there they are.




posted on May, 27 2017 @ 03:41 PM
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The Portland murderer is a socialist, die-hard Bernie Sandes supporter and very anti-Trump.

m.imgur.com...



posted on May, 27 2017 @ 03:49 PM
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originally posted by: Shamrock6

originally posted by: Liquesence
a reply to: LesMisanthrope


But two or three disparate hate crimes do not signify a larger trend.


But the data shows that within the last year hate crimes against minorities (specifically Muslims) have soared; therefore, there is a trend.


What data shows that?
The data from the FBI

2014:
anti-black: 1621/1955 (incidents/offenses)
anti-muslim: 154/178
total religious: 1014/1092
totals: 5479/6418

2015:
anti-black: 1754/2125
anti-muslim: 257/301
total religious: 1244/1354
totals: 5850/6885

Those are all increases.



posted on May, 27 2017 @ 04:03 PM
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a reply to: pirhanna


the OP used it as a political narrative and shouldnt be shocked when politics comes into the response.


Incorrect. The OP never mentioned politics at all, it specifically talked about hate crimes, and more specifically involving whites against minorities. That those who can't keep politics out of every discussion decided to make it political instead of social is how it turned into a #fest as usual.

The OP is essentially apolitical; it is a social issue, and why this is not in a political forum; however, there is a correlation between the events in the OP and the current political environment in this country.

Nice try, though.


The OP is outraged by these murders, and rightly so, but I must assume cared nothing about attacks on white people for being white.


This thread is not about that. Go make one if that's what concerns you more.


I would also agree with some posters here that the SJW movement has made the race relations situation in the US far worse than it was 5 or 10 years ago.


Of course you would, your agenda is clear, and it is you pushing the political narrative, not me.

Nice try at deflection.



posted on May, 27 2017 @ 04:07 PM
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This far-left socialist tried his best to disguise his anti-senitism as anti-zionism and exhibited the typical violent authoritarian left/Antifa method of violence against those with differing political views.




posted on May, 27 2017 @ 04:48 PM
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a reply to: Abysha


My boyfriend and I take that train to and from work, five days a week. Our roommate lent us his car yesterday so we drove. We would have been on that train (that station is close and one of our first stops) and we would have intervened.


Wow, thanks for sharing. That's crazy you ride that same train, and that something like this can turn violent so quickly and for little to no reason.

It's good to have first hand information (from yourself) about this guy (which echoes what is the article; hell, even the police seem to know he is a white supremacist, anti-authority troublemaker), since people are starting to claim he is the opposite to what the evidence points.

Thanks, and glad you're safe.



posted on May, 27 2017 @ 05:15 PM
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a reply to: Liquesence

Yep and way back on page two I showed where the same report you cite showed a static percentage in hate crimes committed by whites from 2013 to 2014 and then a drop in the percentage of hate crimes committed by whites in 2015.

Your own source refutes your argument.

Beyond that, you keep pointing to the UCR and talking about how it shows an increase over the last year. The UCR for 2016 isn't even out yet. The article you keep waving in everybody's face is from 2016, and is talking about the UCR from 2015. 2015 being the year where the percentage of hate crimes committed by whites went down compared to previous years.

And, it should be noted, a fair number of high profile cases around election time were deemed to hoaxes.



posted on May, 27 2017 @ 05:16 PM
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originally posted by: Shamrock6


Not really. The UCR shows that about half of hate-crime offenders are white, and it's been that way for years.


When lets say 20 black people are killed in Chicago over a weekend by other blacks what do you call that?



posted on May, 27 2017 @ 05:19 PM
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originally posted by: Deny Arrogance
The Portland murderer is a socialist, die-hard Bernie Sandes supporter and very anti-Trump.

m.imgur.com...


How does that change that he was a white supremacist that killed two people that were defending Muslim women he was harassing? If you click OP's link, you see more recent FB posts showing that he's no longer anti-Trump so...
edit on 5/27/2017 by Kali74 because: (no reason given)



posted on May, 27 2017 @ 05:36 PM
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a reply to: Shamrock6


back on page two I showed where the same report you cite showed a static percentage in hate crimes committed by whites from 2013 to 2014 and then a drop in the percentage of hate crimes committed by whites in 2015.


I also provided the data from the same report that shows from 2014-2015 hate crimes against minorities have significantly increased.


you keep pointing to the UCR and talking about how it shows an increase over the last year.


It shows an increase from 2014 to 2015, as noted.


The UCR for 2016 isn't even out yet


No, it isn't. I'd like to see it when it is out.


Your own source refutes your argument.


No, it doesn't. While from 2013 to 2014 certain instances were in fact less, from 2014 to 2015 they were in fact more.

The last data available shows an increase in hate crime against minorities.



posted on May, 27 2017 @ 05:36 PM
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originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: Shamrock6


Not really. The UCR shows that about half of hate-crime offenders are white, and it's been that way for years.


When lets say 20 black people are killed in Chicago over a weekend by other blacks what do you call that?


Irrelevant, in a word.



posted on May, 27 2017 @ 05:38 PM
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a reply to: Liquesence

K.

Bottom line: the percentage of hate crimes has gone up. Got it.

The percentage of said crimes committed by whites has gone down. Which is a) suppprted by the data and b) a direct refutation of your claim that it's going up.

No amount of interpretation on your part changes any of that.

ETA - you're shifting your statements ever so slightly in pursuit of being able to claim victory. Your initial claim was that hate crime perpetrated by whites is on the rise. Hate crimes in general has gone up, yes. Completely agree. However, the percentage of it committed by whites has gone down. I'm not denying that hate crimes have gone up, so there's no need whatsoever to go down that road of discussion. However, that was not your initial claim. Your initial claim is not supported by your own evidence.

You're ignoring the fact that percentage of white offenders has gone down and claiming that an increase in general, across the board, is evidence of whites committing more hate crimes. Despite the fact that the source both of us are using shows the percentage of white offenders has gone down while the percentage of black offenders and "other" offenders has gone up.


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posted on May, 27 2017 @ 06:02 PM
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Meanwhile gangs murder each other at an unrelenting pace in Chicago ....SINCE THIS BLACKS KILLING BLACKS ... you don't care. You choose to race bait in this political forum .... same old # different klan of kluckers ..... Heyjackass
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posted on May, 27 2017 @ 06:04 PM
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a reply to: fnpmitchreturns

That's an impressively sized straw man you built yourself there.



posted on May, 27 2017 @ 06:05 PM
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a reply to: Kali74

Where is your proof he was no longer anti-trump?

He was still pulling for Sanders and Stein in late January.




Sanders/Stein 2017!!! Let's stop these pipelines and reign in the Prison/Military Industrial Complexes!!!We the People have the right(As enshrined in our Constitution)to change any government by any means necessary!!! If Not Today Then Tomorrow!!!

www.facebook.com...

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posted on May, 27 2017 @ 06:08 PM
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a reply to: Deny Arrogance

Bottom of the OP link...

"If Trump is Hitler, I'm joining his SS army..."



posted on May, 27 2017 @ 06:10 PM
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a reply to: Kali74

If if if.

Guess what.

Trump is not Hitler and never will be.



posted on May, 27 2017 @ 06:12 PM
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Please.....


Stay on topic, don't resort to bickering.


You are responsible for your own posts.
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and, as always:

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posted on May, 27 2017 @ 06:15 PM
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a reply to: Deny Arrogance

Oh come on dude, we all have bad people among our own. Whether he supported Bernie or is now a Trump supporter... does it change what he did? He had a massive amount of hate in heart for Muslims and snapped, killing two innocent people.

Your hatred of anything Left has visibly poisoned you, so bad that you have to turn everything you perceive as bad in the world into something Leftist.

We're not bad, neither are you.


(post by The3murph removed for a manners violation)

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