originally posted by: wildespace
A moving wall of what? What creates it, where does it travel from, and in which direction?
A moving wall of water (a wave) is made of water. In between the earth and the sun and the moon, all surrounding, is 'some type of stuff'. Water is
'some type of stuff', the walls on a trash compactor is 'some type of stuff', wind is 'some type of stuff'.
The physical reason the Earth revolves around the Sun, the Moon around the Earth, is because 'some type of stuff', pushes it to, forces it to.
We cant see this stuff (look at the night sky and its just black). We cant see air. And perhaps a fish cant see water.
But there is stuff there, a heck of a lot of it. Because if there was not 'a heck of a lot of some type of stuff' there, then the Earth could not
orbit the Sun.
And this stuff must have the ability to be 'strong' enough (heavy enough, forceful enough) to push/steer/corral a planet.
Think of how heavy a planet is. In order for the Earth to not travel in a purely straight path, this 'wall of some type of stuff'/curve/warp like
wind, like a water wave, like the wall of a trash compactor, must be able to hold its weight as it pushes/guides Earth around the sun.
Something crucial to consider is the angle at which the planets orbit the sun. Classical simple models being looking down on it flat like rings, but
I am not sure if that is the case. If that is the case what I state above may not be entirely accurate.
The elements of my thoughts on gravity, is that the Suns rotation might play a major role. A massive body rotating among 'a particular type of
stuff', causing the stuff itself to orbit the sun now.
If you are standing in water and start spinning around the water around you near your body would start moving in those directions.
So one aspect, is this effect, that the planets potentially ride on this 'treadmill' effect, created by the suns rotation. This whirlpool effect.
The second is what I was trying to describe wall like. The water example was considering the surface, but below the surface may be rotating too.
Where we are in the universe it appears we would not speak about the surface of 'the some type of stuff that allows the action of gravity to occur'.
So this stuff is a 3d medium (like under water, like among air).
So imagine a ball traveling through a 3d medium that the ball can pass through (like air, or water). (its also thought the sun is traveling very
fast, and is very massive)
As it is traveling through the medium, it is displacing the medium. The space the ball/sun occupies cannot entirely be occupied by 'other stuff', if
it was, there would be no ball/sun only other stuff.
So wherever the sun goes, the stuff that exists at point B, when the sun is at point A, must not exactly exist as it did at point B, once the sun is
exactly at point B.
Just as water is displaced when you enter it.
So within the 3d medium, submerged if you will, the sun is constantly displacing the medium (warping), as if moves forward (and rotates, if thats
Now its troubling that I dont know the characteristics of the 'stuff' that composes the medium.
Different stuff acts certain ways. There is a different reaction on the surrounding medium by spinning in circles in air, as in water, in a fast food
ball pit, in mud, in marbles, in magnetic marbles, so we can only go on the clues of how the planets do react to attempt to understand any
characteristics of the stuff of the medium, of the medium.
So the component of the 'wall' theory, is that once the medium is displaced, it is undisplaced.
If you dive into a pool, your body submerged is displacing the water, as you go from a to b to c to d to e to f to g, non displacement, displacement,
non displacement, displacement, non displacement, displacement
The water seals back up, the 'hole' your body leaves in it.
It might be that the 'hole'/warp/displacement the sun creates as it darts through the medium is sealed up by the medium, (also the suns rotation might
be spinning this medium near the sun (like a whirlpool)), it might be a combination of these things that keeps the planets circling around the sun.
The 'action of sealing' (returning to equilibrium), may be a force, and the suns rotation causing the medium rotate, causing much smaller mass bodies
to be caught up in the tide/wake/river/whirlpool may be a force. Of gravity, which forces these bodies to orbit the sun.
A main challenging thing is, still, how are the planets at such distances from one another, (and the sun), and So, locked in place.
Imagine just the simplest 3d medium that would allow for the things I am saying, a body moving through it while rotating. locally causing the medium
to rotate, (the, or a key, of course is knowing, which I cant claim I do, at what angle the planets orbit the sun, parallel to perpendicular) and the
displacement. Consider the potential difference of the interaction between the sun and its 'ever nose' (even though it rotates, this ever nose would
not rotate with it, but is just a conceptual idea to consider the sun is traveling a forward direction), and the medium at that nose, and its ever
tail, and the medium at its tail.
The simple 2d representations of gravity mass warp, usually show an even perimeter of warp all around the body, but I dont think that would be so in
light of what I have said. Because the sun is moving forward, how could it make an even extended impression on the material ahead of it, if its nose
has not touched that material yet (there are 2 reasons I suppose...I will say after the reason I thought it could not). Like consider a motor boat
traveling on the sea, it does not create a circle of wakes all around it, it does not create waves out infront of it, because its nose is always only
ever touching the new space it gets too. Like wise a submarine (maybe) effects the water in front of it as it moves differently than behind it.
The 2 reasons it might be different. The rotation as I suggested. The rotation could allow the space in front of the sun to be effected before the
sun itself gets there, by having the medium whirlpool around it wherever it goes. The 2nd is the possible way of displacement, and if this really
gets to the heart of the meaning of warping. If there really is x amount of 'medium stuff', and the sun has y mass and takes up z amount of square
space, that y and z of mass and space (and density) the sun takes up, is all displaced away from that space (as I said, this is the idea of
displacement, if there exists objects R,T,Y,U at point A, and there is a massive body Q, and Q is placed exactly at point A, then R,T,Y,U cannot
possibly exist at point A. So in that sense perhaps, the 'medium stuff', is semi evenly displaced around the sun (warped).
Why is the 5th closest planet to the sun stay so locked where it is, and then there is 6, 7 and 8th. Considering what I have said, what about any
possible medium, that set up, could keep the 5th planet from ever drifting (well that was entirely what my musings were attempting to explain). That
is what any deep theory of gravity attempts to explain. How is the sun effecting the medium in such a way that keeps the planets locked in position.
This as I have said is key to know the alignment of orbit (what degree, parallel to perpendicular in relation to suns forward direction of travel)