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originally posted by: Seede
a reply to: firefromabove
All the verses cited by op are the writings of Paul, a man whom Jesus never met during his life on earth
How do you know that Saul/Paul never met Jesus? Can you prove that statement?
originally posted by: Matrixsurvivor
a reply to: chr0naut
Why, then, are you not taking advantage of this amazing business proposition?
You're funny. Ha.
The truth is that the Christian Churches have been the major sponsors of health, human welfare and education, in the absence of governmental and societal support, for thousands of years.
Yea....lots of folks in churches or who are believers, do much good out there. It's also true that there are many unbelievers in the Bible or just plain simple folks who try to what's right....who also do for others.
Oh, but they are destined for hellfire for eternity if they don't accept Jesus as their "lord and savior". You know..cause Paul say's so.
And less you forget that even up until recently tens of thousands of Americans died unnecessarily each year merely because they did not have the right insurance cover (ObamaCare was an attempt to redress that fact). So it is plain that non-governmental charitable organisations, such as those of the Christian Churches, are still an essential for modern society.
LOL...that's hilarious. You are kidding right? Most churches don't do squat unless you are a member, OR willing to listen to the "gospel of Paul" and be saved.
Seriously. I've experienced it first hand...many times. (when I was a Christian)
Or, for balance, look to the governments that have actually closed down religious institutions, like Communist, Socialist, anti-Christian and Extreme Right Wing Humanist governments. Look how they have never raised the standards of living of their subjects, every one of them has been a humanitarian disaster!
You should honestly read a little history.
You shouldn't ASS-U-ME, Chronaut.
I've studied more than you know. Have you? Spanish inquisition, witch hunts, etc?
... and Paul's message is not different than that of the Gospels, a fact that has been maintained as self evident truth by the the Christian churches for two thousand years.
It's very different....just ask Chester.
Show me how they are the same. Seriously.
originally posted by: Akragon
a reply to: chr0naut
We acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins.
Doesn't Paul say that it was "one death for the forgiveness of sins"?
More or less?
Just sayin..
paul had a knack for bragging about "christ"... IF he actually met Jesus while he was alive, or even saw him for that matter, he would have most definitely written about it... They never met...
Text The religion is designed so people with accept the authority of the government without question. This is why Christians do not protest all the killing that occurs in war. Because criticizing the killing done by the state would be the same thing as criticizing God even though it is supposedly immoral to kill other people.
originally posted by: Jay-morris
Also this debate over a man (jesus) who probably never existed in the first place. We know that a lot of stuff in the bible is just recycled stuff from older religons , so that fact alone should tell you that you are following, not the word if God, it the word of men.
Hence the reason why it all sounds primitive and silly.
Many refuse the AV as authoritative
That there existed a person called Jesus and who founded Christianity is very well attested historically. While most of the proofs of His existence were snapped up by believers, there exists writings and unquestionable historical details attesting to His existence and to the legacy of His existence, which were recorded by eyewitnesses, contemporaries or near contemporaries of Christ. The evidence for the existence of Jesus Christ is greater than for the existence of the Caesars, classical poets and philosophers of the first Century. For 2,000 years Christians have accumulated everything pertaining to Jesus, a broader and more comprehensive evidential assemblage than exists for any single personage in history.
a reply to: Jay-morris Hence the reason why it all sounds primitive and silly.
originally posted by: ChesterJohn
a reply to: Jay-morris Hence the reason why it all sounds primitive and silly.
Sound more like you do not know the Bible well enough to really make rational comments about it. Come back and comment after you have read it and studied it for 10 or more years. I know you would have a different view than the recycled words of other men.