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Is The Universe Discrete Or Analog

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posted on May, 26 2017 @ 07:57 AM
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Many people love the analogy that the Universe is one giant computer executing the laws of physics according to a discrete clock pulse. The problem with this way of thinking is reality is just as much a wave as it is particles. A physicist name Julian Barbour thinks if you look at time objectively it doesn't exist. Time is an abstract concept created by man with two arbitrary points that only mean something because someone says it does.



Julian Barbour's solution to the problem of time in physics and cosmology is as simply stated as it is radical: there is no such thing as time.

"If you try to get your hands on time, it's always slipping through your fingers," says Barbour. "People are sure time is there, but they can't get hold of it. My feeling is that they can't get hold of it because it isn't there at all." Barbour speaks with a disarming English charm that belies an iron resolve and confidence in his science. His extreme perspective comes from years of looking into the heart of both classical and quantum physics. Isaac Newton thought of time as a river flowing at the same rate everywhere. Einstein changed this picture by unifying space and time into a single 4-D entity. But even Einstein failed to challenge the concept of time as a measure of change. In Barbour's view, the question must be turned on its head. It is change that provides the illusion of time."

Time is a measure of change. Time is purely a delusion created by man. Man creates two arbitrary points and claims it's meaningful. And that's the point. It's arbitrary, and therefore, delusion. There is no clock in the universe. Man created the clock. The universe doesn't have one.


Popular Science article: There Is No Such Thing As Time

So it seems to me the Universe is analog with every piece of existence connected to every other piece. The Universe is one giant continuous wave of existence with no beginning and no end.

So which is it? Is the Universe a giant computer?



Or is the Universe a giant voodoo ritual?



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posted on May, 26 2017 @ 08:10 AM
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The universe is your mom ...jk Or am I? Because the truth is the universe is anything we want to believe it is. The answer to this question may be unknowable or at least unknowable to humans at this point in history.



posted on May, 26 2017 @ 08:16 AM
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a reply to: scraedtosleep

Maybe our moms are sleeping together! Oh boy.

Check out the guy in voodoo pictures with the poisonous snakes coming out his mouth and nose. I was trying to make a point and when I found those picks I thought they were awesome!



posted on May, 26 2017 @ 08:18 AM
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I go with.. we are living inside an giant organism. Think about it. All adds up.



posted on May, 26 2017 @ 08:23 AM
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originally posted by: Pandaram
I go with.. we are living inside an giant organism. Think about it. All adds up.

What if you look it the other way?
Everything is appearing in you - think about it. It adds up.



posted on May, 26 2017 @ 08:34 AM
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a reply to: Pandaram

I live in New Jersey. So I have a pretty strong feeling about which part of the organism I am closest to!



posted on May, 26 2017 @ 08:38 AM
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I never get in these time discussions, because in my small common sense type brain, I've made enough sense of it.
Time is change, as the big brain above has put it. But more so, it is the human brain which creates time through memories.
I left work and now I'm home. How many memories do I have between the two? I heard a couple songs, made a phone call. It was not very "time consuming" or "distance between memories". Now if I say, I graduated high school, then came home this morning from work, we are talking 27 years of memories.
The question then is, does a tree recall being a sapling, do stars know how long they have been burning? We are always watching the past looking at the stars, because light has a speed (change/motion). We also time travel by watching tv/home videos/ CCTV.
Which brings an idea I've had for a while now about a thread, book, movie, or probably just right here! Haha
If the whole planet is being filmed by CCTV and satellites, then haven't we become able to time travel to past already? Just unable to change the past?



posted on May, 26 2017 @ 08:48 AM
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originally posted by: TexasTruth
I never get in these time discussions, because in my small common sense type brain, I've made enough sense of it.


I've never been able to have common sense. I've always been attracted to the most obscure way of looking at everything.



posted on May, 26 2017 @ 09:37 AM
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originally posted by: dfnj2015
a reply to: Pandaram

I live in New Jersey. So I have a pretty strong feeling about which part of the organism I am closest to!


Lol.

We are basically neighbors! Hello from PA.


originally posted by: Itisnowagain

originally posted by: Pandaram
I go with.. we are living inside an giant organism. Think about it. All adds up.

What if you look it the other way?
Everything is appearing in you - think about it. It adds up.


LOLLOLLOLLOL.

Thank you for being you, Itisnowagain.

Love always,
Louise.



posted on May, 26 2017 @ 10:22 AM
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a reply to: dfnj2015

Yes. I.e., both discrete and analog.

I believe the Buddhist logicians Dignaga, Dharmakirti, Vasubandhu and others already have the correct answer to this problem, which is, anything that can be thought, or is a thought itself, is binary (which for example means, philosophically based the law of the excluded middle, and mathematically, on set theory). Everything else is analog, except of course the notion of "analog" itself which is "binary" because, eg., the mathematical construction of the basic idea of "analog" requires calculus to be understood and manipulated.

At the end of the day, for the aforementioned logicans, anything "binary" is false, all else is real. Go figure.
edit on 26-5-2017 by Namdru because: Both



posted on May, 26 2017 @ 03:28 PM
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originally posted by: TexasTruth
I never get in these time discussions, because in my small common sense type brain, I've made enough sense of it.
Time is change, as the big brain above has put it. But more so, it is the human brain which creates time through memories.
I left work and now I'm home. How many memories do I have between the two? I heard a couple songs, made a phone call. It was not very "time consuming" or "distance between memories". Now if I say, I graduated high school, then came home this morning from work, we are talking 27 years of memories.
The question then is, does a tree recall being a sapling, do stars know how long they have been burning? We are always watching the past looking at the stars, because light has a speed (change/motion). We also time travel by watching tv/home videos/ CCTV.
Which brings an idea I've had for a while now about a thread, book, movie, or probably just right here! Haha
If the whole planet is being filmed by CCTV and satellites, then haven't we become able to time travel to past already? Just unable to change the past?


Time is like the idleness of particular regions of the universe. If there is less mass, then time runs faster. If there is more mass, time runs slower. If something moves faster, then time for that object runs slower, because that object is moving through more areas of space. The more subatomic interactions there are, the less chemical reactions occur and then time appears slower.

The quantum foam that atomic particles float around in, is 10,000 times smaller than a proton. That allows for photons to be like particles and waves at the same time.



posted on May, 26 2017 @ 10:15 PM
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One vote for Voodoo ritual.

I have no clue as to why, it just sounds cooler.



posted on May, 28 2017 @ 08:30 PM
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a reply to: stormcell

This theory I have a lot of questions. As in the movie "interstellar".
If this all works out on a chalk board, I get that. But how does the human mind perceive time on Bil Ol' Mass planet. With all that mass don't you have the extra gravity and get squished. Are we sure the time calculations are not just representative of the gravity?
Again, a simple approach to something WAY over my head. Take scuba diving. Your entire world changes from floating in a different atmosphere. You can't move as fast, but time/memories stays a constant. I know I was under for 30 minutes and not days just because I moved slower while under.



posted on May, 28 2017 @ 10:16 PM
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a reply to: Namdru




Everything else is analog, except of course the notion of "analog" itself which is "binary"


Anything discreet or binary is an approximation of an analog process.



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