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Trump said he would save jobs at Carrier. The layoffs start July 20.

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posted on May, 25 2017 @ 12:18 PM
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Maybe if the rest of the government would help Trump we could keep more jobs on America.
But both sides just want him to look bad so they can go back to business as usual.

Free trade isn't free.




posted on May, 25 2017 @ 12:18 PM
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a reply to: TheScale

Tariffs..they more work they export to increase profits the more the tariffs go up, I'm sure that's a very simplistic thing for me to say, but that is my off the cuff 1st thought.
I agree with you on automation..I don't know the solution, it's going to be a huge problem.



posted on May, 25 2017 @ 12:23 PM
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Eventually robots will replace factory workers anyway. Look at the billions and billions capitalists invest in the development of robots.



posted on May, 25 2017 @ 12:24 PM
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originally posted by: vonclod
a reply to: TheScale

Tariffs..they more work they export to increase profits the more the tariffs go up, I'm sure that's a very simplistic thing for me to say, but that is my off the cuff 1st thought.
I agree with you on automation..I don't know the solution, it's going to be a huge problem.


yup i agree with that aswell. i also think there are other options like easing the taxes and fees that are driving companies to move their operations outside the US. for example there used to be a hershey plant in my area but when they imposed hefty sugar taxes they up and hopped the border to mexico where those taxes didnt exist. so our own legislation pushed them to make that decision. its a tough cookie to crack and im just not sure how we stay competitive when the biggest cost is everything associated with employing workers.



posted on May, 25 2017 @ 12:26 PM
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a reply to: TheScale

I think you're confused because the article in the OP is talking about Carrier moving manufacturing to Mexico, you said in response to that that governments shouldn't be able to dictate how companies run their own business.

I don't think automation was even part of the discussion until you brought it up in defense of me pointing out Trump's 35% tax on Ford.

You're the one who brought automation into this when the topic had nothing to do with it.
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posted on May, 25 2017 @ 12:26 PM
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a reply to: TheScale

we shouldn't be doing business in countries that are paying their employees next to nothing, using slave labor, or don't care about how badly they are polluting the environment. to argue differently is like saying we should have a race to the bottom.

automation is really a completely different problem and one that I kind of agree with you, it probably can't be answered without some sort of socialist remedy.. I mean, why have a bunch of machines producing a ton of products if there is no one with the funds to buy them because the machines took their jobs.



posted on May, 25 2017 @ 12:28 PM
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a reply to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1

thanks for the source



posted on May, 25 2017 @ 12:29 PM
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originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
a reply to: TheScale

I think you're confused because the article in the OP is talking about Carrier moving manufacturing to Mexico, you said in response to that that governments shouldn't be able to dictate how companies run their own business.

I don't think automation was even part of the discussion until you brought it up in defense of me pointing out Trump's 35% tax on Ford.

You're the one who brought automation into this when the topic had nothing to do with that.


i think u need to reread the OP's quotes. it specifically states that the business and plant is not moving outside the US. they are replacing the workers with robots.



posted on May, 25 2017 @ 12:29 PM
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a reply to: TheScale

I hear you..It seems though, even when corps get breaks they still leave, maybe not right then but a not far down the road.
I guess it's capitalism at the core..increase profits for shareholders..and in return biiiig bonuses for CEO's. They just don't have the best interest of workers at heart.
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posted on May, 25 2017 @ 12:33 PM
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a reply to: TheScale

You're right, my mistake. Either way you look at it though jobs are being lost, whether by relocation or automation (in this case both), something Trump promised wouldn't happen.
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posted on May, 25 2017 @ 12:34 PM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t

In fairness, 632 jobs cut is a lot fewer than the 1400 jobs they were planning to cut. Outside of nationalizing industries, there's nothing any politician can do on a cmpany to company basis to block them from managing their utilizations and employee numbers. They can only work on making an environment hostile to outsourcing and welcoming to fuller employment, the rest is up to each individual company.



posted on May, 25 2017 @ 12:44 PM
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originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
a reply to: TheScale

You're right, my mistake. Either way you look at it though jobs are being lost, whether by relocation or automation (in this case both), something Trump promised wouldn't happen.


no worries. he promised to work at keeping jobs in the US. so far there hasent been enough time for us to gather the real numbers and for the legislation to be passed before jumping to conclusions. wait till his first 4 years are up and compare them to the previous couple decades then if the numbers dont work out we can have that conversation. as it is hes for imposing hefty tariffs on companies to try and keep them in the states. so if that all comes to fruition we may see things swing the other direction.



posted on May, 25 2017 @ 01:11 PM
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originally posted by: Bluntone22
Maybe if the rest of the government would help Trump we could keep more jobs on America.
But both sides just want him to look bad so they can go back to business as usual.

Free trade isn't free.

Oh. So it's liberals' fault that Carrier is moving those jobs out of the country breaking Trump's promise then?



posted on May, 25 2017 @ 01:14 PM
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a reply to: burdman30ott6

Well see if Trump had humility and didn't brag that his plan was going to save the company and all that other stuff I wouldn't be pointing this out. But Trump had to gloat and brag about saving jobs. He insulted the union president who TOLD him this was going to happen. Then it happened. This is ALL Trump's debacle. 100%.
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posted on May, 25 2017 @ 01:21 PM
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I don't think it really matters who is president. The American people get screwed no matter what.



posted on May, 25 2017 @ 01:43 PM
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originally posted by: TheScale
im curious why anyone thought any president has the power to dictate what a private company does in the first place? do u really want the govt up in a companies business dictating what they do at that level?


A lot of people sure seem to think he does, and want the government all up in business' business. It should be patently obvious by now after all the hollering about the insanely high, counter-productive import tariff hikes some folks want (and refuse to consider the fallout of)

FWIW regarding tariffs, I'm in favor of modest increases from current figures, not going full retard & making companies point, laugh & make up the difference in foreign markets after pulling out of the US entirely. Which they are of course free to do, because money talks & a LOT of people are going to look at new, higher prices on imported products and think "Screw this, too expensive."

Ain't capitalism & consumerism finicky bitches?



posted on May, 25 2017 @ 01:44 PM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t

1. Jobs were saved, though. Again, 632 is less than 1,400. In fact, it is significantly less than 1,400... While the number of jobs saved did not reach the 1,000 or 1,100 Trump spoke to, 768 jobs saved is nothing to sneeze at. Even based on the 1,100 number, that's 70% of the stated goal. Further, the company will only be laying off 338 in July. The rest have been told they will be laid off in December. That actually means Trump's promise was met for this fiscal year. Beyond that, NO business commits to employees, period. That is just a simple truth of the workplace in America. If you have security in your job that last for 1 calendar year, then you're way better off and more secure than the vast majority of private sector employees.

As far as the union issue goes, if the workers' union hadn't pushed for more and more and still more, then there would be less impetus for the company to move any manufacturing jobs out of the country. It is sad that many in the US learned nothing from the Detroit debacle. Cranking bolts with a GED in your hip pocket simply IS NOT worth $20 or $30 an hour just because you've been cranking the bolts for 10 years and have your union chief on speed dial. If a minimally educated and trained worker can do your job at an equal level of production, then you should probably be thrilled to death to get anything above minimum wage.



posted on May, 25 2017 @ 01:52 PM
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a reply to: burdman30ott6

And if the rest of those jobs meet the axe next January instead, is that not just moving the goalposts around a bit, like a slightly more drawn out & complex sleight of hand trick at a magic show?

In other words, no real accomplishment -- same numbers gone, just done over a longer period to fool the audience.

Time will tell. It's just a sneaking suspicion on my part, but I'd bet money on this very early next year. They'll eek it in one way or the other.



posted on May, 25 2017 @ 02:00 PM
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a reply to: Nyiah

...I don't know about you, but I'd consider losing my job right now a fair sight worse than knowing I'll lose it in a year.



posted on May, 25 2017 @ 02:01 PM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t

Curious: Did Trump campaign on this?

Could it be he really did try, and it wasn't even politically motivated (as in to win an election)??

Perhaps you're a vegetarian, and dogs are never to be thrown a bone?



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