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Trump said he would save jobs at Carrier. The layoffs start July 20.

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posted on May, 25 2017 @ 11:40 AM
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originally posted by: dukeofjive696969

originally posted by: knowledgehunter0986
a reply to: olaru12

Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events and small minds discuss people.


I'll let the readers discern that for what they will.



Hahah great minds, a trumptards acting smart.


And you don't see the irony in that comment?




posted on May, 25 2017 @ 11:41 AM
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originally posted by: Flatcoat

originally posted by: dukeofjive696969

originally posted by: knowledgehunter0986
a reply to: olaru12

Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events and small minds discuss people.


I'll let the readers discern that for what they will.



Hahah great minds, a trumptards acting smart.


And you don't see the irony in that comment?


I don't do ironing, i dont wear suits.



posted on May, 25 2017 @ 11:41 AM
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originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
a reply to: TheScale

Didn't Trump say he was going to penalize Ford (maybe another car company?) for manufacturing their vehicles in Mexico. I think he was talking about charging them a 35% or so tax for manufacturing outside of the U.S.

ETA: Yeah, he threatened Ford with a 35% tax if they manufactured outside of the U.S.


yes but thats abit different then just laying off workers. i cant read the full article cause im not going to pay them for their news so if they are just laying off the workers then u cant do much about that. imposing a tax on companies who move their operations out of the country is an entirely different thing and im all for that actually. ive seen far to many large manufacturing companies in the city and state i live in move to mexico to reduce costs. some were from our own feds doing like imposing a huge sugar tax thus they moved to mexico to avoid that tax. so in those cases im all for punishing them.



posted on May, 25 2017 @ 11:42 AM
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a reply to: shooterbrody

Trump would slash EPA 31 percent, cut 3,200 jobs

And please, if you're planning on calling this fake news save it for someone else.



posted on May, 25 2017 @ 11:42 AM
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a reply to: JAY1980

Ya, if he was really trying he would be talking tariffs for companies that abandon home turf and workers..jm2c.
The art of the deal indeed.
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posted on May, 25 2017 @ 11:42 AM
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originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: Krazysh0t
i think it is bad when americans lose jobs
no matter WHO is in office

I never said this was a good thing. I'm just laughing at Trump's incompetence. That's why I put the thread in the mud pit. To laugh at Trump.



posted on May, 25 2017 @ 11:43 AM
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a reply to: TheScale

Oh ok, government shouldn't get to dictate what a company does unless Trump says otherwise, in that case they can dictate what a company can or can't do all they want.

Gotcha.

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posted on May, 25 2017 @ 11:47 AM
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originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
a reply to: TheScale

Oh ok, government shouldn't get to dictate what a company does unless Trump says otherwise. Gotcha.


you dont seem to understand the difference. companies moving out of the US to avoid US taxes imposed by the govt is only a way for them increase profits. now maybe the govt shouldnt impose such hefty taxes that make it less feasible for our own american companies to do business putting them at a disadvantage on the global market and making them less competitive to the point that they will go under without doing such things. but theres a huge difference between a company laying off workers for automation versus up and moving out of the country
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posted on May, 25 2017 @ 11:49 AM
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a reply to: TheScale

But people are losing their jobs in both cases so I'm not following your logic. Seems to me like you're trying to wiggle yourself away from the contradiction I pointed out.



posted on May, 25 2017 @ 11:50 AM
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a reply to: TheScale

Give me an f'n break..it's greed and nothing more, I wonder how much the CEO and upper management makes per year?



posted on May, 25 2017 @ 11:56 AM
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originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
a reply to: TheScale

But people are losing their jobs in both cases so I'm not following your logic. Seems to me like you're trying to wiggle yourself away from the contradiction I pointed out.


only u think its a contradiction. atleast in this case they are still staying in the us and paying taxes on the goods they deliver. if they were in mexico they are avoiding those taxes altogether while paying into a foreign countries coffers. now companies that are automating more and more is something i dont like but thats a different issue that needs to be addressed maybe by more taxes which ties into imposing heavy fees against a company that tries to move outside the us, so they dont just move out of the US to a country that doesnt have such fees on automation.
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posted on May, 25 2017 @ 11:57 AM
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originally posted by: vonclod
a reply to: TheScale

Give me an f'n break..it's greed and nothing more, I wonder how much the CEO and upper management makes per year?


i didnt say it wasnt. you seem to be assuming alot from me saying that laying off workers is different from moving out of the country. you seem to have a different issue which i share, and thats with automation and it destroying american jobs. how would u propose to fix that? i outlined one way above this post. do u have a better idea? id love to hear it cause the more ideas we have the better the chances of coming up with a good solution.



posted on May, 25 2017 @ 12:01 PM
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a reply to: TheScale
companies get millions of dollars in tax credits, grants, and other "gifts" (bribes) to keep or create a few jobs.... often if you break down the amount of money/job, you are talking about a hundred thousand or so dollars per job!! while they are whining that they can't keep up with the competition overseas, their competitors in the area are left in a disadvantage compared to them and might even end up seeing their tax burden increase because the local and state gov't has to make up for the millions they just gave up to save, create a few jobs!... might end up having to lay off are few jobs... or might even end up shutting down.

all it is is this person has friends in high places and wants to make more money and the friends in high places want to give them a way to get more money!



posted on May, 25 2017 @ 12:06 PM
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originally posted by: dawnstar
a reply to: TheScale
companies get millions of dollars in tax credits, grants, and other "gifts" (bribes) to keep or create a few jobs.... often if you break down the amount of money/job, you are talking about a hundred thousand or so dollars per job!! while they are whining that they can't keep up with the competition overseas, their competitors in the area are left in a disadvantage compared to them and might even end up seeing their tax burden increase because the local and state gov't has to make up for the millions they just gave up to save, create a few jobs!... might end up having to lay off are few jobs... or might even end up shutting down.

all it is is this person has friends in high places and wants to make more money and the friends in high places want to give them a way to get more money!






and since we live in a capitalist market thats going to go on. greed drives it i agree. at some point u reach a tipping point with taxation though and a company is no longer feasible globally and we are at a point where a majority of goods have to compete on the global market. u cant expect people to pay 10x something thats US made if they can get something thats made in a foreign country for far cheaper. so we as the consumer are part of the problem. but whats the fix? personally i dont think that the govt should be handing out the grants and such which really amounts to a small amount of the money made in taxes. should the govt dictate an upper limit on income? i dont feel like thats right either. you may be surprised but i actually feel like where were going in the world with automation will require some sort of socialist system since the human worker is becoming obsolete.
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posted on May, 25 2017 @ 12:07 PM
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originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: underwerks
I'm sure this is still a win for Trump supporters somehow. That part of his narcissism has been sold to his followers and they've lapped it up along with every other con device Trump's sold them for a ticket on the Trump train.

Yeah. Aren't you reading the thread? Trump wins for trying. Apparently the Presidency is the same as kindergarten these days.

Funny don't right wingers whine about everyone getting an award when they didn't earn it? Here again we have the usual Trump failure and the usual excuse makers crying give him credit he tried.



posted on May, 25 2017 @ 12:10 PM
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So I'm guessing you libtards will pile up and accept you were wrong when the labor market is good down the road.... Nah! didn't think so.



posted on May, 25 2017 @ 12:11 PM
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a reply to: TheScale

So Carrier shouldn't be penalized for moving manufacturing to Mexico but it's ok to penalize Ford for doing the same thing?

Either you are against the government interfering with how a business runs itself or you're not. You can't have your cake and eat it too.



posted on May, 25 2017 @ 12:14 PM
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originally posted by: manuelram16
So I'm guessing you libtards will pile up and accept you were wrong when the labor market is good down the road.... Nah! didn't think so.


Doin what amigo....

Pickin strawberries and fruit for when the Mexicans have all been deported?

Bus boys and hotel cleaning ladies, Pluckin chickens for Peyton?

MAGA, MAGA, MAGA
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posted on May, 25 2017 @ 12:14 PM
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originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
a reply to: TheScale

So Carrier shouldn't be penalized for moving manufacturing to Mexico but it's ok to penalize Ford for doing the same thing?

Either you are against the government interfering with how a business runs itself or you're not. You can't have your cake and eat it too.


no u need to reread my post. like i said i couldnt read the whole article and from what was qouted they are just laying off workers and automating the system while "staying" in the US. ive said over and over again that if a company is going to move outside the US they should have a hefty penalty imposed on them for doing so. which btw is what Trump has been for since he campaigned. so if u agree then u agree with trump
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posted on May, 25 2017 @ 12:14 PM
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delete it double posted
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