Faced with an urgent shortage of workers California farmers are desperate to be heard

originally posted by: seasonal
a reply to: olaru12

It is not new. The wealthy are exploiting the poor. This is why unions and trade groups formed.

and....a lot of the produce in California supermarkets right now, are from south of the border

a reply to: seasonal

It doesn't matter how big the operation is. If we want to ensure workers are treated and compensated fairly, we have to have regulations in place and enforce them.

That cost will be paid by the taxpayer and the end purchaser.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: seasonal

And this is why farmers usually use illegals. They actually WANT to do the work.

Such an elitist you are!

Yes, make those dirty foreigners do hard work for cheap labor so millions of Americans can live of of the government with no labor.

What a humanitarian!

a reply to: jimmyx
Yep we are all under the impression that the pickers are happy to barely make ends meet so we can save 5 cents a pound of tomatoes.

The system is a bubble. If the pickers ever get together they could literally make us all very hungry in 2 weeks.

originally posted by: jimmyx

originally posted by: seasonal
a reply to: olaru12

It is not new. The wealthy are exploiting the poor. This is why unions and trade groups formed.

and....a lot of the produce in California supermarkets right now, are from south of the border

I believe almost 60% of our veggies come from Mexico, and 40% of our fruit.

a reply to: introvert

Correct, by the same token if they are paid a fair wage would they still be on govt ass?

originally posted by: seasonal
a reply to: introvert

Correct, by the same token if they are paid a fair wage would they still be on govt ass?

Depends on your definition of a fair wage? Are we going to dictate through government mandate that these people must be paid a wage that is above the requirements for assistance?

If so, why wouldn't we do that in general for all of the people in the US that are working, yet still have to get assistance to live?

In that scenario, you're going to take the money we spend on welfare and send it to the businesses in the form of higher product costs.

No matter what, we have to pay.

originally posted by: jimmyx

originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: jimmyx

Bet ya can't prove any of that drivel.

the information is publically available in agricultural reports, California farm bureau, voting data of agricultural congressional districts, etc....see for yourself

Bet it ain't.

I live in California and let me tell you if it wasn't for the Illegals I would have never been able to afford to remodel my house, If I call a contractor he hit's me with a ton of Money and then goes and hires the illegals and has them work for him So bypassing the Contractor saves a ton of cash- I even ask them why don't you just get citizenship so you can get your contractors Lic. They try but the Lawyers charge like 12 grand .

originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: jimmyx

originally posted by: seasonal
a reply to: olaru12

It is not new. The wealthy are exploiting the poor. This is why unions and trade groups formed.

and....a lot of the produce in California supermarkets right now, are from south of the border

I believe almost 60% of our veggies come from Mexico, and 40% of our fruit.

Guess who owns the corporate farms in Mexico. hint....it ain't the Mexicans.

Outsourcing doesn't just apply to manufacturing...

originally posted by: Gargoyle91
I live in California and let me tell you if it wasn't for the Illegals I would have never been able to afford to remodel my house, If I call a contractor he hit's me with a ton of Money and then goes and hires the illegals and has them work for him So bypassing the Contractor saves a ton of cash- I even ask them why don't you just get citizenship so you can get your contractors Lic. They try but the Lawyers charge like 12 grand .

Yep I am on mobile or I would link a thread I did about this very thing.

All of the moral preaching about how we need this illegal labor is all just a scam, a sort of indentured servitude so that wealthy people can live off of the labor of poor foreigners.

originally posted by: Grambler

originally posted by: Gargoyle91
I live in California and let me tell you if it wasn't for the Illegals I would have never been able to afford to remodel my house, If I call a contractor he hit's me with a ton of Money and then goes and hires the illegals and has them work for him So bypassing the Contractor saves a ton of cash- I even ask them why don't you just get citizenship so you can get your contractors Lic. They try but the Lawyers charge like 12 grand .

Yep I am on mobile or I would link a thread I did about this very thing.

All of the moral preaching about how we need this illegal labor is all just a scam, a sort of indentured servitude so that wealthy people can live off of the labor of poor foreigners.

It's capitalism....you want socialism? Is that what you expect from Trump?

Who do you think built that phone you are using? See your disconnect?

a reply to: introvert

Correct, the cost of vegetables/fruits/meats do indeed cost something. Right now it is artificially low because of farm subsidies, illegal pickers-farm hands-and I'm sure there are many more.

I think we need to let the market take care of this one, while following the letter of the law.

originally posted by: seasonal
a reply to: Krazysh0t

You think the average field worker is offered $22 an hour? The people who pick the tomato on your hamburger get paid 2 cents a pound.

From your OP:

Goehring is among the growing number of agricultural businessmen in California who have tried a number of strategies to lure workers. From putting ads in the paper to offering benefits- such as health insurance and 401(k)s, Goehring has even increased pay on certain jobs up to $22 an hour.

I'm just going off of the information you provided.

a reply to: Gargoyle91

$12,000 for what?

originally posted by: Grambler

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: seasonal

And this is why farmers usually use illegals. They actually WANT to do the work.

Such an elitist you are!

Yes, make those dirty foreigners do hard work for cheap labor so millions of Americans can live of of the government with no labor.

What a humanitarian!

I'm not making anyone do anything. If I had my way those illegals would be legalized and be given real benefits.

a reply to: Grambler

Not only the rich, the average person is saving pennies every purchase. But the big money is going to the corps, they need to increase their profits every quarter and they couldn't give a sh if it hurts or helps.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

Are you under the impression that there is not a standard way to become a US citizen?

a reply to: olaru12

This is not capitalism- it is corporate fascism.

For your viewing pleasure.


$50 to pick 2 tons (4,000 pounds) of tomatoes. Sounds fair right?

originally posted by: seasonal
a reply to: Krazysh0t

Are you under the impression that there is not a standard way to become a US citizen?

Of course I know there is a standard way. I just don't like it and think it is WAY too restrictive and expensive.