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originally posted by: AgarthaSeed
a reply to: Disturbinatti
So. You're taking one scroll ( The War Scroll ) out of a collection of material and using it to characterize the Essenes.
This is how trouble starts..
originally posted by: Disturbinatti
a reply to: AgarthaSeed
I take it you are not very familiar with the Qumran community but they were actually more like Zealots than the peaceful Essenes of Philo.
Which is where Hippolytus comes in.
Try following along.
And for the record I didn't invent the Essene theory.
But the War Scroll proves they weren't pacifists.
Like the Ebionim of the same source are the Ebionites, "Poor Saints" of Jerusalem as Paul puts it, "Men of James" as the Ebionites claimed themselves, and hated Paul, said he was not Jewish but a Greek convert who sought a woman and/or a high position, was rejected and that is why he hates Circumcision and Judaism.
Like Poleme of Josephus book XX Antiquities.
Where Saul the Pharisee is mentionied. And one Pallas who wrote epistles to incite the Jews of Syria (Christians of Damascus??).
Seems like they knew something and got it from Josephus because all that is in the same chapter James and Jesus are mentionied (pbut).
The Essenes are a mystery, the Talmud doesn't know of them even, not even the Palestinian Talmud.
Side note we were talking about Nag Hammadi scriptures and Islam and I wanted to say that I have read all of them and P.S. and that I see G.I.S. as Allah, the exegesis of Genesis so critical of "Adam where are you" is a common one in Islam as is the blaming of Eve more than Adam, which differs from the Sethian exegesis but many of the criticisms of Catholicism/Christianity in Gospel of Truth, you quoted from it, like vicarious atonement, we share as well.
Revelation of Peter perfectly explains the Qur'an version of the "crucifixion", better than anything written and is not actually Sethian or demiurgic Gnostic in character either, if it didn't contradict the Gospels it could be Orthodox.
The Acts of John…97
I, then, when I saw him suffer, did not even abide by his suffering, but fled unto the Mount of Olives, weeping at that which had befallen. And when he was crucified on the Friday, at the sixth hour of the day, darkness came upon all the earth. And my Lord standing in the midst of the cave and enlightening it, said: John, unto the multitude below in Jerusalem I am being crucified and pierced with lances and reeds, and gall and vinegar is given me to drink. But unto thee I speak, and what I speak hear thou. I put it into thy mind to come up into this mountain, that thou mightest hear those things which it behoveth a disciple to learn from his teacher and a man from his God.