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originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin
OP what do you want???
A Travel ban would not have stopped this because the bomber was a British national.
Do you understand then how utterly stupid it is to say that a travel ban would have prevented this??
I really hate how after something like this happens ATS descends into a racist cesspit. And yes in the context of UK law quite a bit of this would be arguably racist.
The only way you will ever 100% stop terrorists is if you lock up the entire population 24/7 with no access to the outside world.
This stupid argument of "Send them all back to their own countries" is so stupid i cannot believe it even exists.
And its not a left vs right issue is a right vs wrong issue terrorism is wrong and terrorists dont give to shakes of a cats tail if you vote right or left.
originally posted by: Wayfarer
a reply to: Tempter
Holy crap, you're saying accidentally killing some kids is OK? Well, I applaud you for your honesty Mr. Monster.
Of course, when we accidentally kill those kids, everyone who loved them should be cool with that and not angry at us and definitely not want to kill us or our kids right?
News flash: We don't just bomb Mosques, we bomb hospitals, schools, and some times we just shoot people for being in the wrong place at the wrong time (regardless of their affiliation). If this is all OK by you then how are you any different from the terrorist who thinks killing our innocent children is a worthwhile endeavor to further their cause?
You are the same thing you're railing against. I suggest if you want to see what kind of person a terrorist is that could kill innocent children, you need only look in a mirror.
originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus
I just wanted to say that I am very happy that there isn't a partisan hack thread trying to exploit the deaths of children for political purposes. Thanks for keeping it classy ATS!
originally posted by: UKTruth
I see your thinking and I actually think it would have been a good route maybe 30-40 years ago.
One problem now is that your solution will take decades to 'come out of the oven', but more importantly you are assuming that these terrorists think like you do.
You seem to believe that they will care if they can justify themselves to the world community. That's a big flaw in your solution in my view. What the root cause of the initial animus was is almost irrelevant now. The motivation right now is religious fanaticism. That is not going to change if we pull out of their countries or stop buying their oil or trading with them.
IN terms of the military, how can they just be at our borders? Are you saying that organisations like NATO should not be able to deploy joint forces on foreign lands? No trade and no military coordination sounds like isolationism to me.
There is a clear and present danger to deal with.
You are playing the long game, I see that, but you can't possibly have any substantiated confidence that it would solve the issue. In the meantime innocent people, including citizens of this country, are going to die.
Immigration restriction, deportations
and tougher sentencing would still apply as a short term set of measures, even if the long game was appropriate.
Your intelligence solution sounds like complete and total access to our information... I don't think that is needed. Rather I would deploy it to the Muslim community as that is where the problem lies.
originally posted by: Tempter
originally posted by: Wayfarer
a reply to: Tempter
No sir, you and people like you are the reason we are in this mess. I'll bet you believe it best to hit kids who hit other kids to teach them hitting is wrong, eh?
And he wasn't apologizing for Muslims, he was stating that we have done and continue to do awful things to these people (killing them in far greater numbers) and sicko's like you think that's jolly good and justified.
"Doing awful things" like:
1) eradicate murderous leaders and their regimes
2) Sacrifice our own lives to help train theirs to police and secure
3) Try to bring about a democracy so they can have peace and prosperity
We're so awful!
It's not our fault these DESCENDANTS and FRIENDS of terrorists go on to fight like their murderous parents.
If you can't see a difference in what we do with good intentions VS the INTENTIONAL murder of innocent children, you are lost.
originally posted by: queenofswords
Multiculturalism only works if it's slow, methodical, careful, and controlled.
Second generation muslims who have citizenship seem to be the ones easily targeted and manipulated. Perhaps their parents have resentments that they are passing on to their children. Or, maybe infiltration (trojan horse) takes a couple of decades to come to fruition and now, mixed with a brand new influx of mass immigration from these regions, you have a kettle of seething hatred just waiting to spill out on western grounds.
originally posted by: introvert
I think this thread is a new low in how we conduct ourselves on ATS.
originally posted by: DBCowboy
For some, this attack may have hit closer to home than others. We've had years, decades of "talk" about solutions, but people still die at the hands of these vile cowards.
People respond to stress in many different ways. If you're expecting rational calm and a deeper understanding of the "needs" of these putrid cowards, then you're in the wrong place.
I'm angry. I'm pissed. Every god damned time I see this sh#t.