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posted on May, 25 2017 @ 07:50 AM
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Has anyone mentioned the missing 8 ? Were the muslim cab drivers offering free rides home that well intentioned ?




posted on May, 25 2017 @ 08:54 AM
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a reply to: Sheye

I mentioned the possibility of hostage taking in all the chaos but this thread moved so fast its probably buried a few pages back.
Let's just hope they are found safe and well but it is a concern.
He obviously wasn't working alone.

ETA there could be some who are just single folk who are safely at home but don't want to bother the Police by calling in to say they're OK.
edit on 25-5-2017 by Tulpa because: Add



posted on May, 25 2017 @ 09:17 AM
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a reply to: Sheye

The majority of the cabbies were in fact Sikh
They are one often one of the first groups to offer support and help in any disaster



posted on May, 25 2017 @ 09:37 AM
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a reply to: PhyllidaDavenport

That's true and they take a lot of flak which is misdirected.
At least one of the current crop of grooming gangs in court at the moment were using a taxi firm as a means of picking up girls so its something to consider.

Let's just keep hoping that those missing will surface in the coming days.



posted on May, 25 2017 @ 09:38 AM
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originally posted by: PhyllidaDavenport
a reply to: Sheye

The majority of the cabbies were in fact Sikh
They are one often one of the first groups to offer support and help in any disaster


In my experience the Sikh community is this country is one of the most peaceful and helpful of all our communities.



posted on May, 25 2017 @ 10:15 AM
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originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: mersaultdies
a reply to: kerrichin
a reply to: ARM1968
a reply to: UKTruth

I will post this again as I think it is important for people to understand.

We could all quote passages from the Quran. Pick and choose those that support your point of view.

There is no mileage for Muslims to admit the real truth. That is counter productive. Do you deny Mohammed taught subversion? Do you deny he had sexual relations with a 7 year old? Do you deny the teachings that those of other religions are inferior and to be converted or destroyed?

I have lived with a growing population of these people and they are NOT interested in our culture or of being a part of our world. As their confidence and numbers grow so does their outspokenness and bigotry.

Let's all draw a cartoon of Mohammed and see how that pans out. Funnily enough you can make fun of Jesus and no one bats an eyelid. Why?

Jihad - Often described as Holy war however the actual meaning is simply to struggle and can be used for a lot of different areas.

Suicide - Quran forbids suicide / suicide bombers - verses 21: 107, 34: 28, 17: 105, and 25: 56

Murder - Murder of a person, which all are created by God, is forbidden - Qur’an 6:151. The ten commandments are actually distorted on this topic as its often said "Thou shall not kill". The correct translation is "Thou shall not murder". All religions / their texts make killing in some circumstances acceptable.

Conversion to Islam - The Quran forbids forced conversion of non Muslims to Muslim - The Cow, 2:256. Conversion must be voluntary. Anything less is forbidden.

Warfare - The Quran forbids aggressive warfare. If the enemy desires peace then so shall Muslims. If the enemy attacks Muslims then Muslims may respond but Islam can never be the aggressor - The Cow,” 2:190, 8:61

Killing non combatants / civilians - Forbidden.

The killing of innocent non-combatants is forbidden. According to Sunni tradition, ‘Abu Bakr al-Siddiq, the first Caliph, gave these instructions to his armies: “I instruct you in ten matters: Do not kill women, children, the old, or the infirm; do not cut down fruit-bearing trees; do not destroy any town . . . ” (Malik’s Muwatta’, “Kitab al-Jihad.”)


Terrorism (hirabah) - Forbidden by Islamic law / Quran - Surah al-Ma’ida 5:33–34 -

brigandage, highway robbery and extortion rackets– any illicit use of fear and coercion in public spaces for money or power.


Justice -

The Qur’an demands of believers that they exercise justice toward people even where they have reason to be angry with them: “And do not let the hatred of a people prevent you from being just. Be just; that is nearer to righteousness.”[5:8]


Christians / Jews -

The Qur’an assures Christians and Jews of paradise if they believe and do good works, and commends Christians as the best friends of Muslims.



Quran 5:69 says (Arberry): “Surely they that believe, and those of Jewry, and the Christians, and those Sabeaans, whoso believes in God and the Last Day, and works righteousness–their wage waits them with their Lord, and no fear shall be on them, neither shall they sorrow.”


Just touching on a few points.

The issue revolves around religious leaders issuing their own interpretations of Islam to suit their agenda. They twist what supports their lies and ignore the parts they cant twist.

Riddle me this -
If you want power, control and not be questioned and you have to kill anyone who doesnt agree with you how would you go about doing it?

Would you -
A - Be honest and let everyone know who doesnt agree with you that they will be killed just so you can keep power / control etc?
or
B - Find a way to hide that goal behind something that can be used to justify your goal while fooling the people who are following you. Say using a religion, distorting parts to justify your agenda while ignoring the parts that dont all the while claiming God favors your undertaking.

There is just as much stupidity in the Jewish and Christian religions as there are in the Muslim religion.

As an example Westborrow Baptist lunatics.
More examples -



ISIS is to Islam as the KKK is to Christianity



Neither of which represent the religion they claim to be a part of and the religious texts in question dont support the actions / agendas of either terrorist group.



posted on May, 25 2017 @ 12:52 PM
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I will post this again as I think it is important for people to understand.

We could all quote passages from the Quran. Pick and choose those that support your point of view.

There is no mileage for Muslims to admit the real truth. That is counter productive. Do you deny Mohammed taught subversion? Do you deny he had sexual relations with a 7 year old? Do you deny the teachings that those of other religions are inferior and to be converted or destroyed?

I have lived with a growing population of these people and they are NOT interested in our culture or of being a part of our world. As their confidence and numbers grow so does their outspokenness and bigotry.

Let's all draw a cartoon of Mohammed and see how that pans out. Funnily enough you can make fun of Jesus and no one bats an eyelid. Why?

Jihad - Often described as Holy war however the actual meaning is simply to struggle and can be used for a lot of different areas.

Suicide - Quran forbids suicide / suicide bombers - verses 21: 107, 34: 28, 17: 105, and 25: 56

Murder - Murder of a person, which all are created by God, is forbidden - Qur’an 6:151. The ten commandments are actually distorted on this topic as its often said "Thou shall not kill". The correct translation is "Thou shall not murder". All religions / their texts make killing in some circumstances acceptable.

Conversion to Islam - The Quran forbids forced conversion of non Muslims to Muslim - The Cow, 2:256. Conversion must be voluntary. Anything less is forbidden.

Warfare - The Quran forbids aggressive warfare. If the enemy desires peace then so shall Muslims. If the enemy attacks Muslims then Muslims may respond but Islam can never be the aggressor - The Cow,” 2:190, 8:61

Killing non combatants / civilians - Forbidden.

The killing of innocent non-combatants is forbidden. According to Sunni tradition, ‘Abu Bakr al-Siddiq, the first Caliph, gave these instructions to his armies: “I instruct you in ten matters: Do not kill women, children, the old, or the infirm; do not cut down fruit-bearing trees; do not destroy any town . . . ” (Malik’s Muwatta’, “Kitab al-Jihad.”)


Terrorism (hirabah) - Forbidden by Islamic law / Quran - Surah al-Ma’ida 5:33–34 -

brigandage, highway robbery and extortion rackets– any illicit use of fear and coercion in public spaces for money or power.


Justice -

The Qur’an demands of believers that they exercise justice toward people even where they have reason to be angry with them: “And do not let the hatred of a people prevent you from being just. Be just; that is nearer to righteousness.”[5:8]


Christians / Jews -

The Qur’an assures Christians and Jews of paradise if they believe and do good works, and commends Christians as the best friends of Muslims.



Quran 5:69 says (Arberry): “Surely they that believe, and those of Jewry, and the Christians, and those Sabeaans, whoso believes in God and the Last Day, and works righteousness–their wage waits them with their Lord, and no fear shall be on them, neither shall they sorrow.”


Just touching on a few points.

The issue revolves around religious leaders issuing their own interpretations of Islam to suit their agenda. They twist what supports their lies and ignore the parts they cant twist.

Riddle me this -
If you want power, control and not be questioned and you have to kill anyone who doesnt agree with you how would you go about doing it?

Would you -
A - Be honest and let everyone know who doesnt agree with you that they will be killed just so you can keep power / control etc?
or
B - Find a way to hide that goal behind something that can be used to justify your goal while fooling the people who are following you. Say using a religion, distorting parts to justify your agenda while ignoring the parts that dont all the while claiming God favors your undertaking.

There is just as much stupidity in the Jewish and Christian religions as there are in the Muslim religion.

As an example Westborrow Baptist lunatics.
More examples -



ISIS is to Islam as the KKK is to Christianity



Neither of which represent the religion they claim to be a part of and the religious texts in question dont support the actions / agendas of either terrorist group.

I don't think you understood frankly. Posting your list is meaningless. It does nothing to negate the truth.

ISIS were not at work in the city where I lived. This was way before the current 'fundamental' terrorism we see now. Yet the increasing aggression of Muslims towards everyone else, including Afro Carribeans and most others, was evident and increasing.

Everyone outside of the Muslim world is looked down upon and despised by them. If you are unwilling or unable to accept that then fair enough.

It must be nice to shift the blame of a belief system into some 'crazy people'. The truth will dawn eventually, maybe too late, but it will dawn.
edit on 25-5-2017 by ARM1968 because: (no reason given)



posted on May, 25 2017 @ 02:02 PM
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a reply to: ARM1968

Dont look now but you are doing the very thing in your post that you accuse Muslims of doing.



posted on May, 25 2017 @ 02:09 PM
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originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: ARM1968

Dont look now but you are doing the very thing in your post that you accuse Muslims of doing.


Throw this @ him , it might help.






posted on May, 25 2017 @ 03:19 PM
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Hear my man Aaron speak ;





posted on May, 25 2017 @ 03:23 PM
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originally posted by: Sheye
Has anyone mentioned the missing 8 ? Were the muslim cab drivers offering free rides home that well intentioned ?


This article says that none are missing.
www.washingtonpost.com... 630



posted on May, 25 2017 @ 03:52 PM
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How am I? By acknowledging the truth?

I am a tolerant live and let live guy. I have worked for several different charities all over the world involving all faiths. I draw no distinctions. Others do and that is the problem.

Until Islam is more mature as a faith it is incompatible with the rest of the world. However I still believe that the root of the problems are the teachings of Mohammed themselves. That is a difficult circle to square.

I'm not talking just about the suicide bombers or the ISIS barbarity. I'm talking about the actual, genuine feelings, desires and goals of the Muslim faith. If you cannot see that then fair enough - eventually you will.

Should they renounce violence and behave with equity to all then I will be delighted. I cannot see it happening.



posted on May, 25 2017 @ 04:19 PM
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Quran (4:89) - "They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks."



posted on May, 25 2017 @ 05:07 PM
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Attacks in Manchester have been orchestrated by the EU in what amounts to a coup attempt to prevent Brexit.



posted on May, 25 2017 @ 05:09 PM
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originally posted by: ARM1968
Quran (4:89) - "They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks."


This is out of context .



posted on May, 25 2017 @ 05:17 PM
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a reply to: Flanker86

eh? and how exactly could it possibly prevent Brexit?



posted on May, 25 2017 @ 05:20 PM
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originally posted by: Flanker86
Attacks in Manchester have been orchestrated by the EU in what amounts to a coup attempt to prevent Brexit.


Considering the stellar record of the EU for getting things absolutely dead wrong, you could be right



posted on May, 25 2017 @ 05:53 PM
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originally posted by: 23432

originally posted by: ARM1968
Quran (4:89) - "They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks."


This is out of context .



Then put it in context for us. That would be helpful.



posted on May, 25 2017 @ 06:29 PM
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originally posted by: ARM1968

originally posted by: 23432

originally posted by: ARM1968
Quran (4:89) - "They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks."


This is out of context .



Then put it in context for us. That would be helpful.


It's talking about a war situation ;

You wouldn't take friends from enemy " ranks " [i.e an army ] ; turned renegades [ from the opposing army ] are slayed because if they betray their own , what would they do to you ? and definetely do not befirend them or get helpers from them .

The story behind this Sura is that bunch of muslims lied to Muhammed and joined up with his enemies to attack a muslim caravan on the way to damascus and muslims of the Caravan hadn't learnt that they were facing ex-muslims ; they thought the people who attacked them were still muslims so they started to debate amongs themselves as to what to do with these people i.e kill them or forgive them .

Sura is not applicable to anyone but a specific grup of people in 7th century Arabia who were deemed Kafir .

Kafirs have always hurt muslims thru out history so this Sura at it's most is applicable to those who wishes ill to muslims and islam .

This is about self defence and pre-warning .

Certainly not a call for muslims to go out and kill innocent people.



posted on May, 25 2017 @ 06:30 PM
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