Loud Bangs heard in Manchester UK

a reply to: Grambler

I think the same thing. Hell I know exactly what you're saying. That's why it bothers me when serious issues get spun for politics and partisanship.

It's a very subtle art in itself and very effective when used consistently and over a long period of time. It's a very evil practice though and is literally only used to create enemies out of others.

The dailycaller post is making Liberals into Terrorist sympathizers. But it only works because there is already a narrative that it's developed where Muslims = Terrorists. Because of this it can print in a negative way the idea that one group of people are concerned about another group of people. Which on the surface would normally be a good thing. It also works as a shield if anyone calls them on it because you can always say that it isn't what is being said at all, but we all know it is.

originally posted by: TruthJava
a reply to: UpIsNowDown Prayers go out for all the people at the concert. This is such sad news. As a conspiracy person, I see where right before everything attack that has happened in recent years - there has always been a "terrorism drill" right before the incident. And the drill is always EXACTLY like what happens. Well, out of curiosity, I googled "terrorism drills, manchester, england, 2017. This is the first thing I saw: There had been a drill (looks like in 2016 though) about a suicide bomber in an event in an arena-like event!! Here is the link to the short article: [url=http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk...]

Because 2016 is the same as 2017?

originally posted by: randomthoughts12
a reply to: burdman30ott6

This question still has not been answered. I was hoping Kali would try as I am eager to see anyone try to answer that question.

Jihad - Often described as Holy war however the actual meaning is simply to struggle and can be used for a lot of different areas.

Suicide - Quran forbids suicide / suicide bombers - verses 21: 107, 34: 28, 17: 105, and 25: 56

Murder - Murder of a person, which all are created by God, is forbidden - Qur’an 6:151. The ten commandments are actually distorted on this topic as its often said "Thou shall not kill". The correct translation is "Thou shall not murder". All religions / their texts make killing in some circumstances acceptable.

Conversion to Islam - The Quran forbids forced conversion of non Muslims to Muslim - The Cow, 2:256. Conversion must be voluntary. Anything less is forbidden.

Warfare - The Quran forbids aggressive warfare. If the enemy desires peace then so shall Muslims. If the enemy attacks Muslims then Muslims may respond but Islam can never be the aggressor - The Cow,” 2:190, 8:61

Killing non combatants / civilians - Forbidden.

The killing of innocent non-combatants is forbidden. According to Sunni tradition, ‘Abu Bakr al-Siddiq, the first Caliph, gave these instructions to his armies: “I instruct you in ten matters: Do not kill women, children, the old, or the infirm; do not cut down fruit-bearing trees; do not destroy any town . . . ” (Malik’s Muwatta’, “Kitab al-Jihad.”)

Terrorism (hirabah) - Forbidden by Islamic law / Quran - Surah al-Ma’ida 5:33–34 -

brigandage, highway robbery and extortion rackets– any illicit use of fear and coercion in public spaces for money or power.

Justice -

The Qur’an demands of believers that they exercise justice toward people even where they have reason to be angry with them: “And do not let the hatred of a people prevent you from being just. Be just; that is nearer to righteousness.”[5:8]

Christians / Jews -

The Qur’an assures Christians and Jews of paradise if they believe and do good works, and commends Christians as the best friends of Muslims.

- Quran 5:69 says (Arberry): “Surely they that believe, and those of Jewry, and the Christians, and those Sabeaans, whoso believes in God and the Last Day, and works righteousness–their wage waits them with their Lord, and no fear shall be on them, neither shall they sorrow.”

Just touching on a few points.

The issue revolves around religious leaders issuing their own interpretations of Islam to suit their agenda.

There is just as much stupidity in the Jewish and Christian religions as there are in the Muslim religion.

As an example Westborrow Baptist lunatics.

ISIS is to Islam as the KKK is to Christianity.

a reply to: UpIsNowDown

this is a deliberate attack and at a convenient time before June 9th elections.. need I suggest it could be black ops?

Most people here in the UK have no idea what awful news awaits them when they wake up today.

a reply to: Xcathdra

If that is all accurate what you just posted then why is it considered Religious Terrorism??

Seem that the Religion forbids Terrorism???

a reply to: FamCore

That's kinda what I was getting at earlier but everyone seems to think it's simply Islamic Terrorism because they hate non muslims. Period. Nothing more complicated at all.

But I'm with you in what you're thinking too. But I have no evidence to support the hunch at all.

originally posted by: Cropper
Most people here in the UK have no idea what awful news awaits them when they wake up today.

Did they put all those car stopping things that guy in NYC ran into the other day up in the UK?

a reply to: mOjOm

purely speculation, of course

originally posted by: mOjOm
a reply to: Xcathdra

If that is all accurate what you just posted then why is it considered Religious Terrorism??

Seem that the Religion forbids Terrorism???

I believe the answer to that question would be the people doing this, regardless of religion, are not truly representing the religion they claim to be. They are using religion as an excuse to further their own goals.

You tell me - If your agenda is power and control, and in order to achieve that, you have to slaughter innocent people, would you broadcast that fact or would you find a justification, like using a religion and distorting what it says to fit your agenda, as an excuse / cover?

Another radical Muslim terrorist obviously,MSM still whining over Trump and Comey.This country has been a mess sense Obama and Hillary.
No sense of understanding we are at war with radical Muslims.

When you are at war,never tell your enemy where and when you will attack.This youth generation is a confused mess from social media lying about so much stuff.

a reply to: Xcathdra

Ok, so if KKK is to Christianity what ISIS is to Islam.

Do you consider the KKK to be Christians???

Do you consider ISIS to be Muslims???

Because the answer should then be the same for both shouldn't it??

Fox News is reporting that a lot of Hotels in Manchester near the incident have opened their rooms to the kids. People missing loved ones may want to check in those places.

originally posted by: mOjOm
a reply to: Xcathdra

Ok, so if KKK is to Christianity what ISIS is to Islam.

Do you consider the KKK to be Christians???

Do you consider ISIS to be Muslims???

Because the answer should then be the same for both shouldn't it??

The Klan has been dead for 50 years. They probably number less than a thousand and 900 of them are FBI informants.

originally posted by: Jobeycool
Another radical Muslim terrorist obviously,MSM still whining over Trump and Comey.This country has been a mess sense Obama and Hillary.
No sense of understanding we are at war with radical Muslims.

If only Hillary and Obama didn't start a war in the Middle East, huh???

Oh wait......

This isn't all on one side dude.

originally posted by: mOjOm
a reply to: Xcathdra

Ok, so if KKK is to Christianity what ISIS is to Islam.

Do you consider the KKK to be Christians???

Do you consider ISIS to be Muslims???

Because the answer should then be the same for both shouldn't it??

The KKK is not representing Christianity anymore than ISIS is representing Islam. Like ISIS the KKK used Christianity to justify their agenda.

I dont consider terrorists to be representing any religion - Muslim, Christianity, Judaism etc...

a reply to: The3murph

That isn't what I asked though is it???

I'm not asking for a report on the KKK.

a reply to: Xcathdra