I was talking about this with a friend of mine. That some souls on earth are here for 100's of years and keep there knowledge in the old part of the brain. I have sometimes the feeling when i speak with someone that he is a young soul, because of the level of openmind'edness (spelling?) and other things i cant put my finger on it. Does this make any sence???

bas

My friends have a four year daughter who is an old soul. Just by looking at her you can see that she has an old soul.

[edit on 4-2-2005 by Seeking Nirvana]

Most all souls are old souls, there are very few, if any "newer" souls.......many children just are natural at remembering past information. It ususally fades as the child ages.

Most all souls are old souls, there are very few, if any "newer" souls.......many children just are natural at remembering past information. It ususally fades as the child ages.

I agree with you. You just don't find very many "new" souls.

I don't want to dismiss this totally but upon my research, ... I've found that alike most drugs; emotions are 'keys' that unlock chemical doors within our head, which in turn open doorways into our dna which holds all information. The problem with dna is much like someone who has a DVD but only a CD Walk-man to play it, We have the material but nothing to get the material in a easily catagorized, fully detailed book or movie, IMO I believe the only way is through emotions, and even then it's a daunting task because its mostly symbolic or more or less very difficult to explain. Currently I'm undergoing some work in that specific field, results are scheduled for completion in approx. 1 year due to lack of participants.
Now what I'm getting to here is...
Although and since emotions are the key, sometimes the tables turn and the system works in reverse and we have young people who seem to have a better handle on life and its inner-workings because the days we are living in are increasingly more and more emotional, at one time children were blind to that side of life but now-a-days with television and just our society at large we have children who are exposed if not directly, indirectly to extremes in emotions that in the past have not been present. Then when you mix these high emotions with children who have high levels of chemicals floating around in your brain you get individuals(kids) who are very observant, highly opinionated [for the most part unbiasly] and probably more intelligent than the older generations who now lack that increase in chemicals.

My claim is that old souls are simply the results of emotional and chemical variables

[edit on 4/2/05 by dnero6911]

I have this wacky theory about old and new souls. When babies are born, many spend their first days with their eyes closed and sleeping alot, however some babies are extremely bright eyed and seem very much aware of their surroundings. IMO these babies are the ones with the old souls, you can tell in their eyes that they have been here before and during their early years of life, they seem to have a deeper interest and connection to the world than others.

In my own family, I feel my oldest son was here before and my younger son seems to be the newer soul. There are remarkable differences as to how they look at and approach life. My oldest boy is extremely sensitive and has close bonds with relatives he should barely know, not alot impresses this kid, but the younger one everything impresses him, he approaches people and situations as it is his first everytime.

whether or not they're old souls or new ones, I don't know, but I do recall my grandmother visiting me in the hospital when my first was born and after holding him, stated rather matter of factly that he has been here before.

Thank you for posting this thread! I've been thinking of this quite a bit, partially because of personal experiences.

I often feel that I am ancient. Not simply old, but very ancient. Ever since I was a small child, I've felt this way, never really understanding what this interesting sensation could mean until I became interested in the paranormal.

Ever since I was small, I've felt radically different from almost everyone around me - somehow, most people I have met in my life always seem shallow and "small" to me.

I find many people disappointing, because of their preoccupation with the mundane side of life, their inability to see beyond the illusions and delusions of modern society, and their helpless selfishness. Whenever I feel this disappointment, it is always followed by guilt - why should I be thinking that? Who am I to judge them? How am I qualified to make such assessments about people? And yet, I cannot help but feel this way. Many people feel like children to me - they are still struggling and learning things I have already accepted and integrated into my being.

Ever since I was a very small child. I've been interested in UFOs, the paranormal, conspiracies, etc. It is my conscious life purpose to evolve and grow as much as I can during this lifetime. I cannot really fathom how people can perceive the universe without considering such factors as universal consciousness, the soul, and invisible beings and realities.

I am also proficient nearly equally in many disciplines and arts, as well as being highly effective with people. For example, I am currently an undergraduate student in the field of International Business, but I often consider switching into either Pure Mathematics or applying to an art school. These fields hold equal interest to me, despite their seemingly unrelated nature. My friends regularly come to me for advice, and there are many of their various secrets I have sworn to never talk about to anyone else.

In summary, I feel that I am somehow a vastly powerful being, and that I am only beginning to realize these abilities. I also feel a deep responsibility to Earth and humanity - almost like I am here to babysit the little child sometimes, and help prevent him from hurting himself by accident. I feel that I have the responsibility to evolve faster than everyone else, and help them through - I am spending vast amounts of my time trying to understand how the world and teh universe really work, and how I can apply this knowledge. I meditate, am learning energy body manipulation, and planning to study astral projection (as soon as I can afford the book).

Perhaps I am an old soul - but then, I must be deeply ancient, because that's how it often feels. I've met only two, maybe three other people like myself during this lifetime - but we are incredibly close together - it's almost like we read each other like a book sometimes.

Has anyone ever felt the same way?!?! I find more kindred spirits on this message board than anywhere else, so if there are any other people on Earth who understand what I have felt all my life, they will be here!

I know the feeling. Ever since I was very little, I have been told that I am very mature, and that I have a different outlook on life. Your post kind of puts into words how I feel quite often. I also feel worn out on the inside. Not depressed or upset, per se, just...like I've been through a lot.

I wasn't exactly sure what all of it ment until a little over a year ago when I met someone who was sensative, you know, could see energy and the whole bit. He explained to me that I was a very old soul, and I guess that it fits.

I live in a liberal college town which has certain advantages to it, Namely head shops and weird people. Several year’s back a speaker was coming to town for a series of lectures and classes dealing with enlightenment and he had a very old soul. It said so right on the flier’s that were posted all over town. I signed up and couldn’t wait for the classes to begin.

Finally the day arrived for the first class and everyone sat thru a lecture that lasted about an hour and was actually quite interesting. After the lecture the floor was opened for questions and the great teacher began pointing to those he would take questions from. It took awhile but he finally got to me.

“You said that all souls are eternal, which means they have always been and will always be.” At which point he smiled kindly and nodded to me.

“So if all souls are eternal why is it that you have an old soul and I don’t? Shouldn’t every soul be the same age? Were all one forever old.” I thought it was an honest question and wasn’t trying to be a smarta$$ either.

He stared at me for a solid minute not saying a word, his eyes bored into my very being as I began to think that I should have asked something else. I was getting concerned.

Finally he began to speak of the journey of souls and that some choose the harder paths early on and therefore learn quicker and grow more disciplined. It was a pretty good answer and got a round of applause when he was finished. I was happy with it.

When the lecture was over and everyone was leaving I was called into the managers office, my money was refunded and I was told not to come back.

To this very day I’m still trying to figure out just what the hell happened that night. Oh well,

Love and light to each of you,

Wupy

I would also like to add to my previous comment that our dna is somewhat of a sponge I would say obtaining new information through the generations and passing it on, therefore resulting in the ability to unlock previous happenings. With the chemicals in our heads though almost any scenario and anything absolutely, is possible.

I believe that souls are all the same age but I also know of this old soul feeling. I have it. I have always had it. People have even described me as an old soul.

So how is it possile for there to be "old souls?" I think that maybe reincarnation or length of time spent here in human years in previous lives may make some souls older in human life years than other souls who maybe have not been here yet. Maybe it takes souls different lenght of time to be born and that makes some souls ( who maybe have been here before as humans) older than other souls.

I like to think of it as two baseball gloves, hats, or pairs of boots. One has been used a lot and broken in, the other is still new. Both were made at the same time.

Originally posted by mrwupy
When the lecture was over and everyone was leaving I was called into the managers office, my money was refunded and I was told not to come back.

Thats...really peculiar. Almost like you were touching on some areas that the establishment doesn't like brought out into the open.

All I know is, I was born with no memories of past events. I was in awe of all of what I was witnessing around me as a child without any notion that I was something old. Everything was new to me. I suspect this is mainly to do with not having an old soul, or more specifically, no soul at all. Simply a young brain eager to soak in all around it.

[edit on 5-2-2005 by Frith]

I have to say that on numerous occasions I have been told that I have a very old soul, I constantly am seeked out for advice from men and women who are double my age and older (I'm 20) as well like an earlier responder was saying about her sons I am not very easily impressed nor scared. I also feel like I've never really fit in with my age group I tend to have my best conversations and am most open when I can sit and have actual discussions about life itself. I mean I like to have fun don't get me wrong but it just doesn't hold any value for me to be doing what some people my age group do almost like I've been there done that.

I don't view souls as being younger than others... It doesn't make much sense to me since I believe life forces to be eternal, while everchanging.

But it does make sense to me to consider some souls newer to this particular bandwidth of existence. For whateve reason, I think some people return to this planet, and this form of existence (human or closely related) several times in succession, or with few interruptions.
Being more attuned to the types of situations, dynamics and sensations available to, say an Terrestrial mammal, some of us simply seemed more at home here for having spent more time here...

I don't think this is any sort of judgement in terms of worth, skill or merit. I consider the things to be learned via existence to be like a huge collection of free electives in college. Just because you are doing better than most in one course or feel more at home in it, does not equate into the same performance in another. And the person I might consider to be a younger soul than me might be far mroe experienced than I am in relation to realms I have not visited as recently as he or she has.

For this reason, I prefer it when people refer to some people having been to Earth before, rather than to 'old souls'.

M.

i have been giving this subject some thought lately and have concluded that the journey of life is the forging of the everlasting soul. the creation of what you will carry over to the next realm of reality, it is the personal duty that you create and manifest your soul to your liking in accordance to your beliefes so as to strengthen and solidify your place in the super universe. also i believe that once your soul has been realesed (death) you will travel along side space and time in the current realm, transpeircing the singular universe. flowing with time as we do in our day to day lives.

dneros comments on DNA suggest advanced evolution, creating a stronger bloodline, so that you can manifest your soul more efficiently.

Plato believed the souls had a beginning, but will not have an end. He claimed souls were created in a certain number and, in a classical way, come to the world to evolve and release themselves from which is not pure. The day the last soul would get perfect would be the day of the end of corporeal life.

I, somehow, share the basis of this theory. The physical world as a school for souls, not to get purified, but to learn to be happy, or, most likely, to recognize happiness; ultimate happiness.

I also believe to discover the true spiritual happiness people must have a minimum of material comfort; how can someone discover any happiness in life (a lower representation of the ideal happiness, IMO) when they have their children dieing with hunger? When they are suffering from having lost a leg in war? - I’m trying to be neither idealistic nor materialistic, but that is the truth. When people are suffering they cannot contemplate the wonder of the world. Of course there are some exception... there are those who can discover the real purpose of living even in the hardest moments. But those peoples have no common souls... their higher than the rest. Many times they become what we call "saints", "guardians"... .

In the most "advanced" (if we could call it to ourselves, which I doubt we can) civilizations there is a phenomenon taking place: with the improvement of the quality of life, normally, we should expect families to get larger because there is more wealth to sustain the family community. However, we can see the opposite is occurring. Every year there is a decrease in the number of births.

May we be going straight to the point Plato has referred? Are the souls progressively reaching the goal for which they have born in earth?

If that is so, I just can see one reason to exist the barrier between rich and poor people. Rich people, those who live in rich countries, who have a better material life and can more easily be satisfied, and therefore, can easily reach happiness, must help the opposite part... those who are poor, giving them what they need materially so they can no longer extreme needs who avoid them from discover the positive face of life.

This approach is probably too much moralistic for some people, but that is not what I intent to be. I just want to present the duality as an element for evolution. The balance is required or progress will stop.

I know there are other factors, like work, which are directly responsible for the decrease of births. But, I also think the main reason why this happens is because people don't feel the natural need to bring more souls to world (egoism... maybe! but where is it based on? - even the most egocentric societies have some kind of moral code).

Well... just a thought I have for some time.

I really think there are souls older than others... not because they have been created first, but because they have come to the world more times than others.

What I mean is:
Our Souls were all created at the same time, its not like this is a race or anything and our piece of God that we have had boughten for us is akin to a mouse in one of those mazes, sometimes we choose dead ends, then we respectively sit back and contemplate our adventure. You could almost say we are all the same person (GOD) and that we have put ourselves into a situation where there are many US's. As if God thought of many different scenarios yet lives a set amount of them out at the same time. An interesting theory... but its symbolism helps explain some problems.

I'm quite happy that this subject was brought up. This is a thread that I truly feel I can shed some light on. The topics I will bring up in this post will probably seem very familliar to some of you, completely alien to others, and as total bunk to the rest of you. It matters not to me what people think of what I am about to say, but only that I may have helped someone else on the path to transcendence by my words.

From my first memories of this world, I've always known that there was something special about me.... something ancient.. something with experience that I should not have possessed by mortal standards. Growing up, I found it difficult to relate to most people, and as such, I never really had many friends. It wasn't until I was 16 that I finally had the revelation that I needed to explain why I felt as I did.

When I was 16, I had my spiritual awakening. Mine was vastly different from all but a few of the other stories I've heard of others' awakenings. One night, in the summer of 1991, I woke up in a cold sweat. My dreams that night had consisted of vast amounts of imagery entering my head, flashes of times past, flashes of knowledge.... just an insane amount of things flowing into my head. I woke up screaming, feeling like I had just absorbed billions of years of information. This is, in fact, what had happened. I didn't know it at the time, but that night... the flash of knowledge entering my head would be the basis for everything I was to know in the future. When it happened, I didn't know what to make of it. I had all these things swimming around in my head... total chaos. Honestly, it was so overwhelming that I truly began to doubt my own sanity, and was contemplating having myself committed. It wasn't until I found a spiritual guide/teacher a week or so later, that I was actually able to start sorting these things out. Within a month, I had surpassed him in ability, and was pointing out what he was doing wrong. His foundation, however, formed the basis for me to finally decipher all this information swimming through my head. About a year later, I finally realized what it was all about. I knew the history of my soul. I knew my father (my spiritual one, not my mortal one), and I knew my grandfather. I knew what I was. I realized that the reason I had always felt so much different from everyone was because I *was* different from everyone. I realized that I am the grandson of one of the Council of Thirteen. The great creators... those who created everything. I learned that it was my generation that had fathered those that were to become known as the ancients. My role in the universe was to act as a protector for the Council, as well as a protector to the souls that branched from my line.

Souls can be created and destroyed. Our souls are nothing more than masses of energy inhernet within the universe, and given sentience by its creator. When we are born, we are given sentience. When we are destroyed, that sentience is revoked, and our energies are returned to the universe. Soul creation is something that most ancients are capable of, however, soul destruction is something that has been reserved for my generation or older (and even my generation has highly limited use of the ability). New souls are still being created. It's quite possible that some of you reading this have a soul who is living for their first time. Souls gain wisdom through life. It it from the lessons of life that we are able to evolve as souls. There are lessons that every soul must learn, and once a soul has learned all of their lessons, they are able to transcend, or no longer have use of mortal life, and forever live in the realm of the souls (the Hindu concept of Nirvana describes this transcendence pretty accurately). A soul cannot die of natural causes. There must be a reason that one of the guardian generation or older has deemed a soul in need of destruction. Souls that currently have a living body, or have not yet learned all of life's lessons will usually never be destroyed. There is always another chance for a soul that has not transcended.

Anyway, a little about the generations of the otherworld...

The Council of Thirteen. As I stated previously, these are the creators. Their origin is something I have not been made privvy to, as many of them don't remember it, and those that do, don't feel the need to explain it. They are, almost always have been, and always will be. They are the administrators of the universe. They do not control it, but they do oversee it, for it is their creation.

The second generation, the generation of my father. It is members of this generation that are often called the watchers. They watch the results of the creations set forth by the Council, and keep tabs on it. They do not interfere, but instead simply keep an eye on things, reporting to the Council as asked. Occasionally, one of them will find themselves in mortal form, but more often, they tend to remain in the spirit world. My father was one known as "The Lost One." He is a wanderer. He is not actually lost, but rather one who wanders... travels to different aspects of creation, and watches. Once he has gleaned enough current information, he moves on. To quote a bumper sticker popular in the alternative communities, "Not all who wander are lost."

The third generation, fathers of the Ancients, my generation. The entities that have been equated with gods in ancient times are often members of my generation. We are ones that have often taken an active role in the creations set forth by the Council. I do not claim to be a god by my previous statement. However, most "gods" of the world are members of my generation. The difference between myself and them is that they took an active role in mortal life before many of us, gleaned followers through their seemingly miraculous action and knowlege, and were thus elevated to godly status. There are supposedly several thousand members of my generation, and from what I have learned, at least a few hundred of us in mortal form upon the earth at this time. More than has been at any previous time in history (more on the significance of this later). Some of you may have seen some of my previous threads in this forum, and this statement my shed some light onto my involvement in the forms of paranormal entities that I have encountered in my past/present. I myself am simply a guardian. Some of you reading this may be of my charge. I can usually detect them, though on this mortal plane, it's typically by physical meeting. Most of my charges are under my protection through spiritual means. Those of my generation that occupy this earth often have a duality in our nature - one that lives mortally, and one that lives spiritually. Often, I am not aware of the actions of my spiritual side, as they occur when my mortal side is more wrapped up in mundane life. Just know, if any of you encounter in the otherworld a humanoid golden eagle (human form, eagle head, eagle wings), it's probably me. Most likely, I have found you or you have found me for protection.

The children of my generation are the ones known as ancients. Many of these ancients are still existing in mortal form, and while they have great experience, have often not learned everything, and still, therefore, have need of mortal life. Ancients are certainly ones to look towards for knowledge, as they have it in abundance. Those of you reading this that identify as ancients, please realize that you have a duty to this world. You are the ones that truly lead those less experienced towards enlightenment. You may not realize it, but you have valuable lessons to teach to those less experienced, and are probably doing it, even if you are unaware of it. Live life as you will, and teach as you feel is right. There is no good or evil in the eyes of the Council, only a balance of forces. You, as ancients, are the ones that truly help keep that balance among the mundane world.

The children of the ancients make up the rest of us, new and old alike. Just because you may be younger doesn't mean that you are worth any less. What you learn from your life lessons is what makes you the soul you will become. Be it your first life or your last, you are the balance that sustains this universe. Live as you will, do what you want, and be who you are.




Finally, more on my previous statement of there being more of my generation on Earth than ever before. This is a time of great importance here, and something massive is brewing just on the horizion. I'm not going to delve into my theories on it, because I don't have enough information to truly say what is happening. What I have learned from the council, however, is that in the near future will be a great test for all those who dwell here. It could be war, it could be "first contact," it could be any number of things, but the fact that there are many more guardians here (as well as a few watchers [second generation] that I have found) that suggest there is some great event about to happen within our lifetimes. I have been told that I am here to serve a specific purpose, part of which is awakening others of my generation, but the rest is as yet unknown. I know that this is my last lifetime here, and I know that I am here to protect against something. Once I have completed my tasks, I can finally transcend, thus I have no fear of death. I won't die until it is time, and when it is time, I have great reward coming.

Having said this, I'm sure that I am as anxious as you to find out what it is that lies on our horizon.

I know this has been a long post, and if you've gotten this far, I thank you for reading. As I said when I began, I feel some of you will find this all familliar, others will find it alien, yet interesting, and the remainder will find it to be complete bunk. Whatever stance you have on it matters not to me. I just hope that I have been able to help at least one person start to sort things out. Thank you for reading.