a reply to: Disturbinatti
Text So Ishmael was a member of Isaac's Covenant, inherited from Abraham by rite of circumcision, so who cares if it was established through Isaac, it
doesn't void Ishmaels initiation, so to speak, as ordered by God in the first place, it just makes Isaacs special.
No that is wrong again. The covenant of circumcision was not Isaac's covenant, as you have stated in your above statement. It was Abraham's covenant
with The Most High EL. You just cannot seem to grasp the facts. You need a good teacher is what you need.
By the way here is another reason that you do not seem to understand. Your problem is that you are not educated in biblical understanding of both
oral and written Torah.
It seems that you have accepted Pirke de R. Eliezer as one of your sources. Once again I see your dishonesty as I read in chapter XXX of Pirke de R.
Eliezer the portion that you either overlooked or simply hid from the ATS members to cloud the truth.
Pirke de R. Eliezer
Chapter XXX – [page 216 in my copy]
Rabbi Jehudah the Prince said: In that night the Holy One, blessed be He, was revealed to him. He said to him: Abraham ! Doest thou not know that
Sarah was appointed to thee for a wife [from her birth] from her mother’s womb? She is thy companion, and the wife of thy covenant; Sarah is not
called thy handmaid, but thy wife; neither is Hagar called thy wife, but thy handmaid; and all that Sarah hath spoken [to thee] she has uttered
truthfully. Let it not be grievous in thine eyes, as it is said, “And God said unto Abraham, Let it not be grievous in thy sight.”
Abraham rose up early, [in the morning] and wrote a bill of divorce, and gave it to Hagar, and he sent her and her son away from himself and from
Isaac his son, from this world and from the world to come, as it is said, “And Abraham rose up early in the morning, and took bread and a bottle of
water “ [ibid 14]. He sent her away with a bill of divorcement, and he took the veil, and he bound it around her waist, so that it should drag
behind her to disclose [the fact] that she was a bondwoman. Not only this but also because Abraham desired to see Ishmael, his son, and to see the
way whereon they went.
The reason in showing this is that you are not honest and in being dishonest as well as rude you turn to one who has no credibility whatsoever.
Oral Torah does not change written Torah but only expounds written Torah. You do need teaching and to quit your bragging like a fool.
In the OP you stated the following ---
“Ishmael was at his father's funeral and had no issue with Isaac as an adult. He was 14 when he laughed at Isaac and never tried to harm him. Pirke
de R. Eliezer and Sefer ha Yashar state he went to live with Abraham late in life.”
And in so doing, I used the very Pirke de R. Eliezer that you use as a source. So if Pirke de R. Eliezer is part of your sources then you have to
accept this portion also. Either learn or stay ignorant.