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originally posted by: mOjOm
a reply to: Agit8dChop
Couldn't the edit's online also be from people trying to keep this conspiracy theory going though???
Some fanatics who want to try and sell this story for dishonest reasons???
I mean why would the DNC kill this guy anyway for what you're saying he allegedly did??? Why not just fire him??? Ruin his career a bit or something??? Going so far as to murder the guy doesn't seem a bit much to you???
originally posted by: theantediluvian
There are four Seth Rich related threads on the front page of ATS as I write this. Two of those threads are based on claims reported by Fox News, allegedly made by a Fox News regular of more than a decade named Rod Wheeler.
Trumpkins are understandably eager to eat up anything Seth Rich related — which is deemed "real" news — while Dear Leader is dealing with a barrage of unfavorable developments, sourced to unknown leakers, appearing in a number of MSM outlets. Going through the It's-fake-news-oh-never-mind-it-was-the-deep-state Cycle several times without some interruption is probably mentally taxing.
What better way to ignore reality than to escape into a new alt-fact reality of your preferred propaganda source's devising? The Seth Rich red herring has it all:
* Not a hack but a leak
* No hack, no Russian hack
* No Russian hack, no collusion
* DNC/Clinton assassination
* Assange not a sketchy propagandist using the murder of Seth Rich to further his agenda
I'm often met with sanctimonious blathering (usually online) when I criticize the crap that is taken as "real news" by Trumpkins. As it pertains to this Rod Wheeler disinfo debacle, I pointed out more than once, that Mr. Wheeler had a history of making outlandish claims that turned out to be untrue. One of these was several years ago when he appeared on O'Reilly spewing some horses# about lesbian gangs with pink guns overtaking the country.
It's called credibility people. Rod Wheeler is lacking it. Our President and his administration are certainly lacking it (please, ask me for details!). On the other hand, what major news piece from NYT about the Trump administration has turned out to be false? Yet, there are authoritarian Trump muppets yammering about imprisoning media critical of Trump.
The problem isn't the media, the problem is the lazy public that judges whether to believe "news" according to how it resonates with them emotionally and fits their preconceived views because keeping track of what turns out to be confirmed and what is bulls# isn't something most people care enough to do.
Anyway, enough ranting. Government censorship is bad. Rod Wheeler is not credible. So here were the claims in the original Fox 5 News article which has now been edited to include several "clarifications." The article,
Family's private investigator: There is evidence Seth Rich had contact with WikiLeaks prior to death, sources an on camera interview. The claims:
* Rod Wheeler was hired by the Rich Family to run a parallel investigation.
* The FBI had Seth Rich's laptop.
* The FBI had discovered evidence of communication between Seth Rich and a WikiLeaks contact.
* The FBI was not cooperating with DC Homicide.
* The investigation was possibly being stalled by the Mayor's Office, at the behest of the DNC.
None of these are true. Rod Wheeler wasn't hired by the Rich family. In fact, his services were offered to them and paid for by an outside source. One very important condition of the family accepting his "services" — if one can call them that — is that Wheeler was not authorized to speak on behalf of the family. The updated Fox News 5 article:
Since Rod Wheeler backtracked Tuesday, FOX 5 DC attempted incessantly to communicate with him, but he didn't return calls or emails.
On Wednesday, just before our newscast, Wheeler responded to our requests via a telephone conversation, where he now backtracks his position and Wheeler characterizes his on-the-record and on-camera statements as "miscommunication."
When asked if Wheeler is still working for Seth Rich's family, Wheeler told FOX 5 DC the contract still stands-- ties have not been severed.
We reached out once again to the Rich family, and through a spokesperson the Rich family tells FOX 5 DC, "The family has relayed their deep disappointment with Rod Wheeler's conduct over the last 48 hours, and is exploring legal avenues to the family."
Also at the bottom:
FOX 5's Melanie Alnwick spoke with D.C. Police on Tuesday and was told that Wheeler’s assertion that a source inside the department told him that detectives were instructed to stand down regarding the Rich case was false.
It gets worse. I'll cite the Daily Caller, founded and owned by Tucker Carlson, because I know Trump supporters like him.
FBI NOT Investigating Seth Rich Murder
The report, which cited an unnamed federal investigator, said that an FBI report on Rich’s laptop revealed he had transferred 44,000 DNC emails to WikiLeaks.
FOX 5 DC originally said Monday night that private investigator Rod Wheeler knew of a connection between Rich and WikiLeaks. On Tuesday, Fox News published an extended report that seemed to corroborate Wheeler’s claims with the information from the anonymous federal investigator.
“I have seen and read the emails between Seth Rich and WikiLeaks,” the federal investigator told Fox News, alleging that the FBI had done a report on Rich’s laptop within 96 hours after the murder.
However, Newsweek discovered that there is no FBI investigation into Rich’s murder, meaning there would not have been a scan of his laptop.
Furthermore, Wheeler seemed to walk back on his claims that he knew there was a WikiLeaks connection, saying the Fox report was misleading and that all of the information he was aware of came from the federal investigator.
To Newsweek, Wheeler claimed that he'd never seen anything personally. He's not the only one:
Rich’s family spokesperson also denied the report Tuesday, calling the claims “unsubstantiated.” “As we’ve seen through the past year of unsubstantiated claims, we see no facts, we have seen no evidence, we have been approached with no emails and only learned about this when contacted by the press,” Braud Bauman, the family’s representative, said.
In case you missed it, everything that Rod Wheeler claimed was complete bulls#. Stop falling for bulls# just because it's the bulls# you want to hear. It's been quite a lot of post without any images. So here's an funny Donald Trump image because... sedition!
Except the statement put out on behalf of the family is from a DNC crises manager. Here are his parents.
The Dallas-based financial adviser, Ed Butowsky, a Fox News regular who has written articles for Breitbart News, contacted the parents of Seth Rich and urged them to hire a private investigator to look into the death of their 27-year-old son, who was shot and killed last July in what police say was a robbery gone wrong. Butowsky offered to cover the fees and connect them with an investigator, according to Brad Bauman, a spokesman for the family.
The Rich family hired the detective who had been recommended, Rod Wheeler, a former D.C. homicide detective who is also a Fox News contributor and who last month tweeted a photo of himself at the White House captioned, "Doing my part to Make America Great Again!!"
Butowsky initially denied that he played any role in the Rich case in an interview with NBC News. "I'm not involved with any of what you said," Butowsky said when reached on his cell phone Tuesday.
But hours later, he confirmed his involvement to CNN and acknowledged he had withheld the truth from NBC News. Butowsky, who attended President Donald Trump's inauguration, has highlighted the Rich story on social media.
Meanwhile, a current FBI official and a former one completely discount the Fox News claim that an FBI analysis of a computer belonging to Rich contained thousands of e-mails to and from WikiLeaks.
Local police in Washington, D.C., never even gave the FBI Rich's laptop to analyze after his murder, according to the current FBI official.
And a former law enforcement official with first-hand knowledge of Rich's laptop said the claim was incorrect. "It never contained any e-mails related to WikiLeaks, and the FBI never had it," the person said.
“We know where Seth’s personal computer is. We know where his DNC computer is. Neither [Rod Wheeler] nor anybody else has it,” Brad Bauman, who is representing the Rich family, told The Daily Beast.
The Metropolitan Police told The Washington Post that “there is nothing that we can find that any of [Wheeler’s story] is accurate” on Tuesday.
I knew Seth Rich. I know he was the @Wikileaks source. I was involved.