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originally posted by: The3murph
originally posted by: fleabit
So we can find man-made tools over 1 million years old, but we can't find any remnants of what had to have been a civilization at least as advanced as ours, from 7000 years ago? No screws, lawnmowers, rubber or plastics, no weapons, bullets, rotors or engines or any of 10s of thousands of man-made objects that would be simple to find in droves (let alone structures and buildings and highways and such), if such a civilization every existed?
They must have had a heck of a recycling plan, that's all I know!
I grew up in a city that has been fought over since its founding in 1670. We spent our leave time from The Citadel with metal detectors on the battlefields outside of the city searching for relics. The buttons, bullets, belt buckles etc that we found from the Rev War were and are much more degraded than the things we found from The War For Southern Independence. I don't know if you realize that over thousands or millions of years all evidence would be degraded.
originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
originally posted by: IgnoranceIsntBlisss
I dont buy these ancient epoch tales of todays tech. We'd have unearthed endless bits of milled stainless steel, titanium, etc, by now. I would have myself even!
Actually that assessment would be wrong. Metals that would be in the open would decay easily by the ravages of nature, meanwhile stone would last far longer for tens of thousands of years. In fact, stone would be the only surviving proof of such civilizations after thousands, or tens of thousands of years, because metals would have rusted, decayed and the winds would have carried away most of the rusted metal dust.
originally posted by: The3murph
originally posted by: WhyDidIJoin
a reply to: anonentity
It must've been an extremely small and lesser civilization, because there's not really much for evidence in terms of what it would take to sustain a technologically advanced civilization, we've mined the hell out of this planet, doesn't look like anyone else did.
Extremely old gold mines have been discovered in South Africa. Maybe as old as 100,000 years...
originally posted by: anonentity
a reply to: scraedtosleep
Ok none of this will go main stream simply because most historians and anthropologist are payed not to shake the tree.
originally posted by: anonentity
a reply to: ElectricUniverse
At least we have some official archeological digs, in the Azores which have found Pyramids and artifacts.Thats a long way from their were "no people" on the Azores before the Portuguese found the place.
originally posted by: carewemust
originally posted by: toysforadults
Not a cosmic event?
That's what I wonder too. Isn't there anything native to the universe that generates the same signatures as a nuclear blast?
If mankind had not invented a nuclear bomb, how would we interpret these ancient explosion(s) evidence?
originally posted by: anonentity
a reply to: JoshuaCox
Most people wouldn't believe an ancient stainless steel tool if it was put in their hand. Here is a latest find, which seems to prove pre dynastic Egypt had iron tools.These are dated at about 7000 years ago, but they cant be because it wasn't even the bronze age!!!!
originally posted by: anonentity
a reply to: scraedtosleep
Only that the Portuguese Navy was going to investigate the site.
originally posted by: anonentityDuring the last ice age a country the size of Great Britain existed around the Azores archipelago, which might push the accepted version of civilisation to the point of severe shakiness.
originally posted by: jeep3r
originally posted by: saudi
a reply to: jeep3r
Looks like I have some reading to do.
I see that the Mahabharata has over 5000 pages..this should be interesting.
If the quote exists, it should be possible to find the passage without reading the entire pamphlet:
www.sacred-texts.com...
A site search via Google is available directly in the right sidebar of the site. Alternatively, the texts could be scanned for keywords via the browser search function (usually strg + F) when the full text is loaded into your browser window.
Apologies if I'm just pointing out the obvious.
originally posted by: ClovenSky
originally posted by: babybunnies
originally posted by: IgnoranceIsntBlisss
I dont buy these ancient epoch tales of todays tech. We'd have unearthed endless bits of milled stainless steel, titanium, etc, by now. I would have myself even!
Actually, one of the biggest coverups in the world, IMHO, is the cover up among the archaeological community of artifacts that don't match the official timeline of human history. Do a search online about it, there's a ton of stuff out there on this.
So, do you think the ancient Sumerian tablets are correct then? People know and they are covering this up?
Maybe to protect scaligar's chronology of history?
Sometimes it seems the tablets are too perfect, could they be fakes? That means they have kept This secret for a long time now.
This thing may blow wide open yet.
originally posted by: stormcell
Humans with brain capacity identical to modern day humans have been around 40,000 years. We only know what happened back to 4500 years with Sumerian culture, and perhaps China. We know there was an ice age around 12,000 years ago, and that there is evidence for a major radiological event like a nearby supernova that was enough to blast the North American continent with high-energy particles.
originally posted by: Harte
originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
originally posted by: IgnoranceIsntBlisss
I dont buy these ancient epoch tales of todays tech. We'd have unearthed endless bits of milled stainless steel, titanium, etc, by now. I would have myself even!
Actually that assessment would be wrong. Metals that would be in the open would decay easily by the ravages of nature, meanwhile stone would last far longer for tens of thousands of years. In fact, stone would be the only surviving proof of such civilizations after thousands, or tens of thousands of years, because metals would have rusted, decayed and the winds would have carried away most of the rusted metal dust.
Really? Because here's a piece of copper that dates to the time period being discussed - 7k ybp, around the time when this so-called "destroyed city" (which is still standing) was flourishing.
Also, what makes wood more resistant to decay that metal? I mean, these wooden spears are around 400,000 years old. That's older than Homo Sapiens. We found [I]them[/I], didn't we?
Harte
originally posted by: JoshuaCox
originally posted by: Harte
originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
originally posted by: IgnoranceIsntBlisss
I dont buy these ancient epoch tales of todays tech. We'd have unearthed endless bits of milled stainless steel, titanium, etc, by now. I would have myself even!
Actually that assessment would be wrong. Metals that would be in the open would decay easily by the ravages of nature, meanwhile stone would last far longer for tens of thousands of years. In fact, stone would be the only surviving proof of such civilizations after thousands, or tens of thousands of years, because metals would have rusted, decayed and the winds would have carried away most of the rusted metal dust.
Really? Because here's a piece of copper that dates to the time period being discussed - 7k ybp, around the time when this so-called "destroyed city" (which is still standing) was flourishing.
Also, what makes wood more resistant to decay that metal? I mean, these wooden spears are around 400,000 years old. That's older than Homo Sapiens. We found [I]them[/I], didn't we?
Harte
What about the synthetics required..
Diamond drills, tungsten steel and all the random composite and ceramic stuff..
Could we have had multiple early Bronze Age civilizations?? Absolutely..
But one as or more advanced than us??
No chance
originally posted by: Harte
originally posted by: anonentity
a reply to: JoshuaCox
Most people wouldn't believe an ancient stainless steel tool if it was put in their hand. Here is a latest find, which seems to prove pre dynastic Egypt had iron tools.These are dated at about 7000 years ago, but they cant be because it wasn't even the bronze age!!!!
It is quite well known among interested parties - by that I mean people interested enough to bother to learn - that many ancient cultures had iron before the Iron age.
And why not? The stuff falls right out of the sky after all.
Harte
originally posted by: stormcell
After 500 years, all metals would have rusted away, and wood, paper, leather would have decomposed. The only things left standing would be stone carvings and clay tablets.
originally posted by: punkinworks10
originally posted by: JoshuaCox
originally posted by: Harte
originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
originally posted by: IgnoranceIsntBlisss
I dont buy these ancient epoch tales of todays tech. We'd have unearthed endless bits of milled stainless steel, titanium, etc, by now. I would have myself even!
Actually that assessment would be wrong. Metals that would be in the open would decay easily by the ravages of nature, meanwhile stone would last far longer for tens of thousands of years. In fact, stone would be the only surviving proof of such civilizations after thousands, or tens of thousands of years, because metals would have rusted, decayed and the winds would have carried away most of the rusted metal dust.
Really? Because here's a piece of copper that dates to the time period being discussed - 7k ybp, around the time when this so-called "destroyed city" (which is still standing) was flourishing.
Also, what makes wood more resistant to decay that metal? I mean, these wooden spears are around 400,000 years old. That's older than Homo Sapiens. We found [I]them[/I], didn't we?
Harte
What about the synthetics required..
Diamond drills, tungsten steel and all the random composite and ceramic stuff..
Could we have had multiple early Bronze Age civilizations?? Absolutely..
But one as or more advanced than us??
No chance
What diamond drill and tungsten steel would this be?
originally posted by: scraedtosleep
a reply to: anonentity
Why couldn't the explosion have been large clay pots full of gunpowder. China had gunpowder in the 9th century, who's to say other cultures did not have it. There are a lot of things that happened in the past that we will never find proof of.