The Path to Impeachment...

... from a 'conservative' point of view.

Below is a link to the online version of a Podcast by Sam Harris.

www.samharris.org...

It is Podcast #76.

Sam Harris, a conservative I listen to religiously (pun intended - for those who know him), put this podcast out in the middle of the week, last Thursday 5/18/17, which in itself is unusual. But he wanted to discuss the possibility and consequences of a Trump Impeachment.

He is definitely 'right of center' and his areas of expertise tend more to science and philosophy. Politics is only a side issue but he considers Trump a threat to our National Security and an existential threat in many ways. The two women he interviewed/discussed this topic with are experts in their own right on security, government and Russia.

It's a very interesting discussion and well worth the effort (it is an hour long). But using the online link you can work or play and listen to it easily - but do pay attention.

The sound bite (one of many) that may appeal to this audience is "Country before Party" or, as I would paraphase "Country before Ideology" (at about 3/4 of the way through said by Juliette Kayyem).

www.samharris.org...

a reply to: FyreByrd

Sam Harris is a conservative???

a reply to: FyreByrd

This country survived 9/11. We will survive Trump.

originally posted by: toysforadults
a reply to: FyreByrd

Sam Harris is a conservative???

Yes a true conservative - not an member of the Alt-Right or the Christian Right or the Business Right or the libertarian Right or the Trump Troop.

He is a conservative of 'good-will', reason, research and thought.

a reply to: FyreByrd

Is he a socialist?

originally posted by: dfnj2015
a reply to: FyreByrd

This country survived 9/11. We will survive Trump.

Change that to "we survived Obama for 8 years" so this country can survive anything...

I don't see Sammy as a conservative either. Book sales, blog... interesting thought.

Sam Harris a conservative ? Right of center ?
WTH ?

I guess , like beauty , conservatism is in the "eyes of the beholder" ?

Center might just cover the area. I admit, beyond the link, it's new to me.....


Doi yoi yoi ....that was some diversion, still there is a great deal President Trump is doing well. This was just chronic with 0bama, so we should expect it...


Oh yea remember, they are draining the swamp. Lots of vermin and reptiles...

Clinton deserved it. So far, The POTUS has not. Now that the worm Comey has been returned beneath the rock the he crawled out from, the illegal activities of Hillary will be revealed. If found guilty, the socialist empire that they built will be exposed. This will no doubt shake our nation. The tentacles of the clintons have had decades to embed themselves into the fabric of the once glorious Democratic party (and I don't mean the one that held the hands of the KKK). Once the Democratic Party reforms. Once it rejuvenates with the hard working and intellectually honest people that formed the backbone of this country, the GOP will have a legitimate force to recon with.
GOD Bless The USA.


eta; I'm all out of stars and flags to give

Would you define what a conservative is please?

a reply to: FyreByrd



Controlled Confirmation and Controlled Opposition at the same time.

In general -

1) Nobody has had time to listen to the podcast at this point except those that follow Sam Harris.

2) How do you define a conservative?

3) Are you stating your own, well researched and thought out, conclusion on Sam Harris' ideology or just repeating something you heard about him without doing your own work.

4) This is an important discussion - saying "we survived XXXX" is disingenous bordering on criminal - that's how important this is.

5) Stay on topic please - this isn't about other people or situations - to state clearly the topic is

The possibility and consequences of an Impeachment of Donald Trump

a reply to: FyreByrd

Well you conveniently forgot about the 2 guests.

One is a CNN analyst and one is a WashingtonPost columnist.

A simple cursory search provided what we have all seen in Dictionary definitions:

"1.holding to traditional attitudes and values and cautious about change or innovation, typically in relation to politics or religion."

Who is that ..... may be a bit more difficult to pin. Republican comes to mind. Me comes to mind, a lot of boomers comes to mind.
Post war America comes to mind also..... duck and cover...

Watching the entire video.... not likely many takers. Still just listening to his oratory and topic lent weight at it being influenced by liberal objectives as well. And had no well defined position beyond perhaps a fence....

originally posted by: FyreByrd
Would you define what a conservative is please?

Since this is YOUR THREAD, would you mind defining what a 'Conservative' is in your reality

You are supposed to give a summary of links you post for those that cant view.

originally posted by: Plotus
A simple cursory search provided what we have all seen in Dictionary definitions:

"1.holding to traditional attitudes and values and cautious about change or innovation, typically in relation to politics or religion."

Okay - that's great but 'what constitutes' Traditional? When I was born, traditional values included honesty, truthfulness, integrity, modesty, service to the community, reason, the list goes on. Today it mostly means government hating troll.

An article from the classically conservative National Review article on this subject:

www.nationalreview.com...

So by the 'traditional' definition - we would still have a king - right? And be a separatist nation not interfering in the affairs of other countries? Traditions change - sometimes quickly sometimes slowly.

For myself I live work origins - in this case the word conserve - specifically to conserve as in resources physical and energetic.

The so-called 'conservatives' of the early 21st century are in fact classical/traditional 'liberals' as noted by the National Review.

Who is that ..... may be a bit more difficult to pin. Republican comes to mind. Me comes to mind, a lot of boomers comes to mind.
Post war America comes to mind also..... duck and cover...

Okay you mean the great government infrastructure building, Gi bill backing, rebuilding (with nationalized health care) Europe and Japan, massive government spending, progressive tax days?

How are the policies of todays 'republican' policies of small government, tax cuts for the rich, destroying other countries rather then building infrastructure and social services for them, selling public assets at pennies on the dollar to big business anything like the 'post-war', Eisenhower (and he made some big mistakes) republicans?

Watching the entire video.... not likely many takers. Still just listening to his oratory and topic lent weight at it being influenced by liberal objectives as well. And had no well defined position beyond perhaps a fence....

I don't believe a rational case can be made. Personally I think it is funny how fixated the Trump Troop is on justifying irrational behavior by their savior.

originally posted by: stosh64

originally posted by: FyreByrd
Would you define what a conservative is please?

Since this is YOUR THREAD, would you mind defining what a 'Conservative' is in your reality

You are supposed to give a summary of links you post for those that cant view.

I did, in the post directly following. Thank you.

Wait... the whole thingwas,

"The Path to Impeachment..."
So.... I'm pointing out we left the tracks... trying to arrive at a definition ...

What about that. 'The Path to Impeachment...' part, I think President Trump is on moral high ground. Continuous attacks will follow him, likely alienating the liberal and conservative divide. My thinking making him a shoe in for a second term. But you know what, he's too old for that, and I think he would like his previous life. Four years takes a toll on every President.

Wait until all his people are in place and the rapid course towards prosperity, shrinking debt. Saudi Arabia siding and entertaining just met with President Trump, an alliance with Israel is sure to cement alliances.
Perhaps by then Baron will be more important in the empire.

Oil' has become almost a non player.

a reply to: FyreByrd

1) Nobody has had time to listen to the podcast at this point except those that follow Sam Harris.

Oh sure, like we all have an entire hour to piddle away listening to somebody a lot of us have never heard of.

It would have been nice had you taken the time (since you already listened to this path to impeachment garbage) to quote some salient words to make your thread more interesting. Instead, it's a 'This guy is a conservative and he had two guests on who agree that Trump is a threat' bait on the hook.

Give us something of substance right off the bat, and stop being so triggered about us not listening to a lot of blah blah blah for a whole hour. If I wanted to give myself an aneurysm, I would just listen to the best of Maxine Waters.

PS....the only important thing I see is a bunch of slobbering liberals trying desperately to depose a man whom, as far as I can see, HAS DONE NOTHING WRONG except try to do his job, but too many crybabies are saying the sky is falling and if we don't get rid of him we're all in a lot of trouble. This podcast is about as important as....well, the extra bit of business my cat did in his box. I'll get around to scooping it out and putting it in the garbage eventually.