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originally posted by: buster2010
originally posted by: oddnutz
The removal of George Washington statues?
He was a slave owner, get ready.
Old George didn't commit treason against America like Robbie did now did he?
originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: Kali74
Is this a right/left thing? I didn't get the memo.
Funnily enough, I agree with your opening sentence as it applies to the federal gov't!
originally posted by: pirhanna
a reply to: JoshuaCox
Thats a very northern point of view. The confederacy was dead wrong about slavery, but the war was one of northern aggression, branded as a war against slavery midway through. Defending ones home, and what could have been seen as country, was entirely American. It could even be construed that the northern states violated the contract of the land, and thus were the un-American ones. It really depends a lot upon ones point of view in this case.
originally posted by: JoshuaCox
a reply to: strongfp
The real problem I have with all the confederate stuff is 2 fold..
A) from an americans pov it is glorifying treason...
If the plaque read..
"Rebeled against his native country leading to the deaths of thousands of US service members, while being a pretty damn good tactician ..except for that whole gettysburg fiasco .. he totally blew that..."
That is patriotically remembering your history..
However that's not what we have here.. which leads me perfectly into ...
B) if you look at the dates on all these schools, monuments and parks "creation date" or date of the name change..
They ALL started and usually can be directly traced to the push back from civil rights..
No one glorified the confederacy before then.. they had just rebelled leading to tens of thousands of deaths..
As a middle finger to segregation and civil rights you had revisonist history statues and monuments pop up like weeds..
So there isn't a glorious history to protect.. it is protecting a very specific FU meant to tell the world they will not intergrate quietly.
originally posted by: strongfp
I am not sure how I feel about this. But, the statue in New Orleans of removed, the final of , a very controversial subject in today's world. Especially American life.
Anyways. From what I know. loved homeland of Virginia, and would do anything for it.
with intentions of protecting his home state, and got caught up in a situation and legacy.
A letter to wife:
What say you ATS. Please, leave current politics out of this.