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I'm using MMCC and CC interchangeably.
originally posted by: Krazysh0t
originally posted by: eXia7
I'm pretty sure that using "global warming/climate change/chicken little syndrome" to scam people out of money, and shame them for something that they may or may not be causing is a valid point.
Lol. More unscientific bull#.
There have been many bold claims based on climate change/global warming/[insert next big disaster here] over the past decade, and most of it hasn't happened.
You do realize that Katrina and Haiti are said to have been super disastrous because of climate change right? The superstorms and weather patterns are already hitting us and you are pretending like they aren't here.
Wild reindeer and black-and-white cats Norwegian whalers introduced reindeer to the Antarctic island of South Georgia between 1910 and 1925. The animals were shot for food and were also hunted for sport by the whalers who were stationed on the island. Yoccoz is planning a research stay on the French island of Kerguelen in the Antarctic because the island was used as one of the whaling stations, where whaling boats came with their catch for processing. The French who lived on Kerguelen Island followed the Norwegian example and also released Swedish reindeer. Yoccoz says these reindeer have now become wild, and impossible to remove from the island. He would estimate that there are about 3,000 to 5,000 animals on an island that has never had mammals before, but they still don't have exact numbers.
originally posted by: eXia7
Lol, I live in Florida dude, close to the beach. We haven't had a major hurricane in the last 11 years or so.. ever since this climate change/global warming/whatever BS has been running. I haven't seen the coast change at all. We haven't had "mega super ultra deadly storms" We always experience a drought every 5 yrs or so, and we currently aren't under drought.
Hurricanes happen. Tornadoes happen. Rain happens. Cold happens. Heat happens etc etc.. Just because you blindly follow science doesn't mean you are superior to people who question it. There are scientists on both sides of the argument, and you are getting mad at people who choose to side with the scientists who question it.
Science can be bought and paid for, information can be controlled. Don't act all high and mighty because you choose to champion a theory that some people might not wish to blindly believe.
A little unhinged are we? If you clicked the link you would had seen the article. It had two pictures on it. The first and most predominant was this one from Antarctica 100 years ago.
originally posted by: jjkenobi
Humans are more likely to destroy/hurt the planet by putting in drastic measures to attempt to prevent or reverse "man-made" climate change rather than just letting the planet go on its natural course.
Antarctica has been ice free before just look up: Viking Antarctica Map, the ancients mapped the continent with no radar.
The “97 percent” statistic first appeared prominently in a 2009 study by University of Illinois master’s student Kendall Zimmerman and her adviser, Peter Doran. Based on a two-question online survey, Zimmerman and Doran concluded that “the debate on the authenticity of global warming and the role played by human activity is largely nonexistent among those who understand the nuances and scientific bases of long-term climate processes” — even though only 5 percent of respondents, or about 160 scientists, were climate scientists. In fact, the “97 percent” statistic was drawn from an even smaller subset: the 79 respondents who were both self-reported climate scientists and had “published more than 50% of their recent peer-reviewed papers on the subject of climate change.” These 77 scientists agreed that global temperatures had generally risen since 1800, and that human activity is a “significant contributing factor.” A year later, William R. Love Anderegg, a student at Stanford University, used Google Scholar to determine that “97–98% of the climate researchers most actively publishing in the field surveyed here support the tenets of ACC [anthropogenic climate change] outlined by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change.” The sample size did not much improve on Zimmerman and Doran’s: Anderegg surveyed about 200 scientists.
Read more at: www.nationalreview.com...
Meanwhile, the US House of Representatives Committee on Energy and Commerce had independently commissioned a study from Edward Wegman who is chairman of the NAS Committee on Applied and Theoretical Statistics and a Fellow of the Royal Statistical Society. The Wegman Report states "Overall, our committee believes that Manns assessments that the decade of the 1990s was the hottest decade of the millennium and that 1998 was the hottest year of the millennium cannot be supported by his analysis. It also states "In general, we find the criticisms by [the McKitrick and McIntyre papers] to be valid and their arguments to be compelling. We were able to reproduce their results and offer both theoretical explanations (Appendix A) and simulations to verify that their observations were correct. The study also studied the social network of the group of scientists who publish temperature reconstructions. The study found that they collaborate with each other and share proxy data and methodologies, so that the "independent" studies are not independent at all. See the Wegman Report here.
Both of these reports were public six months before the IPCC began the release of the Fourth Assessment Report; however, the 4AR makes no mention of the Wegman Report, gives only one citation of the NRC Report, and ignores the findings and recommendations of the reports.
David Holland wrote a comprehensive history and discussion of the hockey stick affair. See Holland's paper - "Bias and Concealment in the IPCC Process: The 'Hockey Stick' Affair and its Implications" published by "Energy & Environment", October 2007 here.