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originally posted by: Raggedyman
originally posted by: DeathSlayer
originally posted by: Raggedyman
a reply to: DeathSlayer
If the Jews had have been a light to the Gentiles then maybe the Gentiles would have understood what the Messiah was about
As it was, most of the Jews didn't know what the Messiah was about
If the Jews hadn't have failed so badly at their chosen purpose (being a light to the Gentiles) then Jesus could have effected the Gentiles, as it was, the Gentiles had no idea about Judaism, other that they were arrogant tosses
And now look, the christian church have become arrogant tosses as well
God is love, your teachings don't indicate that God is love
The Jews have done exactly what God wanted and yet you place blame on them. Is that the love you talk about?
What hanging Him on a cross
Making up laws
Are you a calvinist, that would make sense if you talk non sense
The Jews have done exactly what God wanted
but He knew Jesus would be rejected because of their expectations of The Messiah would be . God didn't make it exactly clear in the Old Testament because like Paul wrote in the New Testament " Had they of known ,they would not have crucified Him" . Paul was referring not to the humans but to the Spiritual Powers ,ie the Devil and his fallen Angels .
The rejection Of Christ and his crucifixtion has opened the door to the world through the Jewish people.
And without the Jew we would have no salvation....
Let me ask you a question ...Have you read the whole Bible ? ...
One vague reference after another. What does this even mean, and how does it relate to comments I responded to or the questions I asked. It's always the same with religious folk, always pushing the same random soundbites, parroting scripture or some religious leader, "died for our sins" bla, "salvation" bla, random bible passage bla. Never making any sense when asked for an explanation of their drivel.
If it was not for the Jew we would not have Jesus.
Thank God for the Jew and when the Jew needs to be defended, than I will stand next to him and fight for/with him and judge him not....for salvation came through the Jewish race....
If You want to quote me then please do . Don't put words in my mouth I did not say . If you ask a simple question like I did ...Have you read the whole Bible ...and you wont or cant answer that then we really have a problem communicating . You may think some of the terms or quotes members are vague but lets face it if we are not on the same page or maybe not even in the same book we have a problem .
And yet another vague reference. "you see, the reason you don't get my random drivel is because you didn't study the bible hard enough....." Why are you guys unable to answer simple questions that are directly based on the stuff that you are typing?
So you do not understand how the Jews are involved with salvation?
Jesus was a Jew, a descendant of King David, the messiah, "The Annointed one", "The Christ" that whoever believes in him (meaning what he taught) will not see death.
Want to join up?
" Salvation " is simple in that it takes the punishment due to the believer (which is death) and is placed on Jesus . It fulfils Gods demands of righteousness . He wont just wink at sin and must punish the sinner's sin . He does this by placing that punishment on His Son Jesus . That is a short explanation ... But you may know that if you read the Bible .that is why I asked .
originally posted by: Josephus
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise. Galatians 3:28-29
Death should be understood as a spiritual separation from the God of life .Physically dying is one part of the journey into eternity . Salvation through the belief in Jesus takes care of sin on the other side of this life and has some effects on the person on this side . The Jews or Hebrews or Israelite's were used to bring down to us today the Old and New testaments . They were very good at keeping records and have peculiar traditions (celebrations) that God used to convey His story of man to man .
How does Jesus' death in specific save me? People have died and die all the time. What does it have to do with Jews?