conor mcgregor vs floyd mayweather . bad fight for floyd

you ever see the breathing exercises that rickson did? crazy diaphram control. kron does it as well. i dont have a video of nate but there is a picture on his instagram right now of him doing this...



not many dudes breathe like this then smoke a bowl and hit up a triathalon just for #s and gigs.

a major part of why i never root against nick or nate is their cardio.
its hard to handle a dude that just does not get tired

nick is a bad mofo man.
he frustrates people cause he just stands right there and will take a hit and it dont phase him...then he will start talking # and start peppering them...they get frustrated and then try to take him down and that is a huge mistake.

5 year suspension for smoking weed. talk about some bull#




oh and that sick ass gogo that diaz stuck gomi with was changed to a no contest cause diaz tested positive for the green

a reply to: TinySickTears

You're saying the most dominant of dominant in the UFC has been grapplers? I'd say that the most dominant were Hughes (a stretch to call him a grappler), BJ Penn (striker), GSP (wrestler is as close to grappling as you could call
Him), Silva (matrix-like striker), John Jones (completely unorthodox striker with decent wrestling but far from a grappler), Mioic (Gooden gloves boxer), Mighty Mouse (striker with excellent wrestling but far from a grappler), Woodley ( striker with heavy wrestling base). We can disagree on "who's the best" but the suggestion grapplers are the ones who
have dominated is out of touch with reality of MMA, particularly the UFC.

originally posted by: BeefNoMeat
a reply to: TinySickTears

You're saying the most dominant of dominant in the UFC has been grapplers? I'd say that the most dominant were Hughes (a stretch to call him a grappler), BJ Penn (striker), GSP (wrestler is as close to grappling as you could call
Him), Silva (matrix-like striker), John Jones (completely unorthodox striker with decent wrestling but far from a grappler), Mioic (Gooden gloves boxer), Mighty Mouse (striker with excellent wrestling but far from a grappler), Woodley ( striker with heavy wrestling base). We can disagree on "who's the best" but the suggestion grapplers are the ones who
have dominated is out of touch with reality of MMA, particularly the UFC.

well i said grapplers have dominated the sport across all promotions....they have
bj penn is a jitsu black belt...7 wings by knockout and 6 by submission
now youre calling matt hughes a striker?
you mean matt hughes the njcaa hall of fame wrestler? the ground and pound specialist with 18 wins by submission and a #load of wins by stoppage due to ground and pound?
jon jones the guy who has won the junior greco roman championship? the njcaa college champ?
anderson silva the jui jitsu blackbelt? anderson silva the judo blackbelt?

those not grapplers you talking about?

i said every now and then a pure striker comes along and tears it up but for the most part the sport is dominated by grapplers or guy that at the very least are competent on the ground...
that statement is true

so go ahead and try to refute what i have said but you cant....
you mention a few guys as strikers but some of the guys you mention are jitsu black belts and were high level ollege wrestlers....
funny post man...

a reply to: TinySickTears

And don't forget that BJ Penn is called "The Prodigy" because it only took him about 3 years to learn BJJ (got his black belt from Ralph Gracie) and become the 1st American to win the World Jiu-Jitsu Championship in the process. And it's funny that "Mighty Mouse" was mentioned as a striker because I think his base is catch wrestling and/or pankration wrestling.

a reply to: BeefNoMeat

I think a lot of those guys might seem like "strikers" because their ground games are so good that people try not to take the fight to the ground. That or they know enough grappling to neutralize opponents on the ground, so the only "action" appears to happen in the standup.

For example, Anderson Silva typically uses his black belt BJJ for defensive purposes & has some of the best defensive BJJ in MMA. And Chuck Liddell, who was known as a striker, has a wrestling base which he used defensively. Even renowned MMA "striker" Vitor Belfort has black belts in both BJJ (under Carlson Gracie) and a black belt in Judo, though he seems to panic when his striking doesn't work.

I'm just curious what criteria you're using to label fighters as "strikers" as opposed to "grapplers"? Because out of all of the guys you mentioned, only Miocic and Silva wouldn't be considered "grapplers" or don't have grappling bases. And Silva still has black belts in 2 "grappling" martial arts, though I personally consider Muay Thai "kickboxing" to be his base.

a reply to: enlightenedservant

i dont really get where he is coming from either.
he mentioned only the ufc and only recent fighters.....and the ones he mentioned are sick grapplers too
hahahaha

im looking at the ufc hall of fame right now
royce gracie-jui hitsu
dan severn-wrestling
ken shamrock-pancration
randy couture-wrestling
mark coleman-wrestling
matt hughes-wrestling
chuck liddell-primarily striking but also ncaa division 1 wrestler
tito ortiz-wrestling
pat miletich-3rd degree black belt in jui jitsu
bas rutten-muay thai and catch wrestling/pancration
noguiera-jui jitsu
don frye-boxing, wrestling
maurice smith-striker...he is the one i think of when i think pure striker
bj penn-jui jitsu
urijah faber-wrestling, jui jitsu

here is a list of ufc champions.....'modern day'
theyre 95% grapplers with a few strikers sprinkled in so yeah....

en.wikipedia.org...

list of pride champions

notice the lack of strikers yet?

en.wikipedia.org...

originally posted by: enlightenedservant
a reply to: MagnaCarta2015

You sure about that?

For those who don't know, Sylvia is a former 2 time UFC Heavyweight Champion & Mercer is a former Heavyweight boxing champ. Trying to outpunch a legit world boxing champ in the cage is suicidal. That's why Couture immediately took James Toney down.

Lol well yeah if you go in with a monumentally stupid gameplan that tends to happen. I should have probably accounted for that.

a reply to: MagnaCarta2015

No worries. Though fighters do dumb stuff like that all the time. For example, Fedor is notorious for trying to beat opponents at their strength. When it worked, it made him look like a genius. When it failed (like against Werdum), he lost too.

originally posted by: enlightenedservant
a reply to: MagnaCarta2015

No worries. Though fighters do dumb stuff like that all the time. For example, Fedor is notorious for trying to beat opponents at their strength. When it worked, it made him look like a genius. When it failed (like against Werdum), he lost too.

to be fair age and wear and tear on the body probably had a lot to do with that.
fedor was undefeated for like 10 years..he was doing combat sambo the entire time too. training at red devil. helping to train his brother...

i think thats more of what got to fedor

a reply to: TinySickTears

Fedor's the guy I place as the best MMA fighter of all time. So it's not that I'm doubting him. But in the loss that broke his streak, he deliberately jumped in Werdum's guard when he thought he'd hurt him. Werdum is probably one of the best BJJ practioners in UFC history and it turned out that he was just baiting Fedor. Fedor probably thought it would be similar to when he annihilated Nogueira in his guard, but instead he got instantly tapped out even though his standup was way better than Werdum's.

Fedor himself said after his more recent fight against Maldonado that he had wanted to face him at his strong point. So he tried to strike against the striker, got obliterated in the first round, and the fight should've been stopped (though I'm glad they didn't stop it).

The only point I'm really making is that multidimensional fighters can still lose if they let their egos get in the way of smart game planning. Sometimes fighting someone at their strength seems cool &/or honorable, but it isn't usually the smartest path. I see it like trying to hunt a lion with 2 knives in order to make it a "fair fight", then being shocked when the lion mauls and eats the "hunter". lol (ok, it might not be that bad but you know what I mean)

a reply to: TinySickTears

Been on vacation.... so it's been a minute...I see exactly where we are crossing signals; I was given the impression grapplers were exclusively of the submission only wins variety - i.e. exclusive to judo and, namely BJJ. Yes, Hughes, Jones, and Daniel Cormier are 'grapplers' by its definition, but they're not catch-wrestlers where submissions are a primary means of winning (read: Josh Barnett). Silva, choked out Lutter and Sonnen with a nasty triangle; beat Henderson via RNC. HOWEVER, he dropped both Lutter and Henderson with strikes before tapping them. If you are suggesting anything but Anderson Silva being the greatest striker the UFC has ever seen, I hope you recondsider.

Tito Ortiz was a middle of the road Division II wrestler who gave us true GnP. Hughes, St Pierre, Couture, JBJ, (I could go on with other wrestlers [technically a grappler]) just mastered it. Sure they all have submission wins, but only Hughes has more submissions than knockouts (18-17); St Pierre (8 knockouts, 5 submissions); Couture (7 knockouts, 4 submissions); Jones (9 knockouts, 6 submissions). And The Spider...wait for it...wait...20 knockouts, 6 submissions.

And it stands to reason, given its MIXED MARTIAL ARTS, a dominant contender/champ/whatever would at least be competent on the ground. I can't believe I read that, but you did say it. At any rate,...

Funny post (the one you referring to), but dead, solid, and perfect.


And just more fodder: The Prodigy, 'baby Jay' Penn, had 7 knockout wins and 6 submission wins. Freddie Roach described his as the 'best boxing in MMA'. He was a great jits guy under Pedenerias, but he still knockout wins more than submitting.

just watched conor vs nate 1 and it was a great fight

i was impressed with conor's striking. better than i remember
nate chopped him up a bit too but when conor took him down nate just worked him quick
conor made a mistake by taking him down but he kind of had to

i will say it again if nick or nate fights i will not bet against them ever

i want to see conor vs nate 3

nate by submission

watching that fight again also solidifies my opinion that conor needs to work on his ground game cause he has absolutely no idea what to do

originally posted by: Alien Abduct

originally posted by: pirhanna
Mayweather is a boxer. We can probably assume that his fighting skills outside of that narrow discipline arent very good. He would win a boxing match. He loses any kind of full fight against McGregor.

Theres probably 10-15 angles with 6-7 other striking points that boxers dont train against. (Not including ground game fighting) Which is not to say boxers cant be very difficult to fight against. Just that on that level having an incomplete approach to martial arts usually means you lose.

Right. Boxing rules the OP put it Floyed 9 out of 10? Is that a joke? Mayweather would spank.....to put it short Mayweather would win very easily. MMA rules well that's a whole different ball game as most of us know. However, as much as I like Conor, he would be hard pressed to even shoot Mayweather quick enough for a take down and that's his only chance.

Personally I like Conor as a person and I dislike Mayweather as a person, and I would love to see Conor win and I'm not saying its not possible, but I think his chances are slim with MMA rules and zero with boxing rules. Reason? (Hint) the fight starts off with both standing

Also, it wouldn't make Mayweather look bad if he lost if it were MMA rules.

HOWEVER, I'm (literally) putting money on Conor if the fight happens.

Seriously? If this was an mms fight, Conor would destroy mayweather, wouldn't even be fair!

Conor's only chance would not be take downs! Conor would control him from distance with a mix of kicks and punches. If it did go to the ground, it's over.

Saying that, i cannot see Conor beating Floyd, one of the greatest boxers of all time. But one thing I have learnt from watching Conor, is never underestimate him.

Cannot wait for the fight

Connor got more POWER, and more STAMINA then Floyd.
I predict Floyd will get surprised in the first round and take some nasty hits
The second round Floyd will be all defense and running away.
Third round.. Connor would get hit a few times.. but Floyd will be sleeping.
Floyd is a old man that is not what he used to be.. and fighting someone like Connor will be the end of him

Fist to skull or body....sleepy-time......rule mean squat.....whoever touches their opponent the most times with power the quickest will win.....IMHO Floyd is going to come out bombing because he nows he must.......and boxers like him dont do well under pressure...they like to be the pressure....but this time for the first time in his life Floyd has to react to someone else....if he fails to come out hunting for a KO then Conor will put him to sleep....if he does come out hunting for a KO he becomes vulnerable and plays into Conors gameplan......which is to put him to sleep ASAP....not box him.....Conor is going to Sandman him......Refs will not get a chance to help Floyd who has been sucking up to the Boxing Commission the entire lead-up to the fight trying to pressure them with publicity about the "rules" .... really just begging them to help him out....but methinks BOXING has had enough of Floyd and his sideshow and they are sacrificing him now to the MMA gods.

Maybe Floyd should just lay down early....eat a flurry and stop-drop-stop......no point in ending up injured permanently when you are Floyds age.....just bow out take the money and run....Conor gave Floyd his most needed payday...his final payday.....why should Floyd give up his long term health when he can simply roll over...tke the money and run....and laugh for the rest of his days.

Only an idiot would open himself up to being mangled by striker like Conor for more than a couple of rounds.

The only thing going deep in this fight is Conors fist into Floyd.....IMHO over by 4 rounds......TKO.....towel will be tossed in by Floyds corner....lol...its the ONLY WAY OUT.

a reply to: one4all

Come on, now. You can't possibly believe what you just typed. Floyd will control this fight from the beginning to the end. If he's generous, he'll carry Conor for a few rounds to let the viewers feel like they got their money's worth. But both Floyd's striking and defense are light years ahead of anything Conor's ever faced.

Let's not forget that journeyman Nate Diaz landed 107 strikes to Conor's head in their 2nd fight while landing 166 of 343 total strikes (in their 2nd fight). And in the first fight, Nate beat on Conor so bad that Conor had to shoot for a takedown to avoid getting knocked out. Remember this?

Floyd's strikes are way faster and way more accurate than Nate's. He'll get boxed up, rocked, and finished after gassing out from so many missed strikes and Floyd's body shots.

originally posted by: Spacespider
Connor got more POWER, and more STAMINA then Floyd.

LOL Conor gassed before the 8th minute in both Diaz fights. Floyd, on the other hand, never gasses even when going 36 minutes.

The second round Floyd will be all defense and running away.

Well, Floyd's a defensive mastermind. Of course he'll do a lot of defense. As for running away, do you mean like this?

Just a head's up, but it's considered a disgrace to turn your back like this to your opponent in boxing. It's also a foul that can result in a disqualification. Mayweather's "running" refers to him constantly dodging his opponent's attacks while refusing to slug it out with them. But Conor actually turned his back to Nate numerous times and "jogged" away from him.

originally posted by: one4all
The only thing going deep in this fight is Conors fist into Floyd.....IMHO over by 4 rounds......TKO.....towel will be tossed in by Floyds corner....lol...its the ONLY WAY OUT.

I just want to quote this for posterity so I can come back and ask you what kind of excuses you'll have when this doesn't exactly end up they way you're predicting.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

I'm convinced that most of the people saying Conor will win are just trolling. The only reason I'm giving Conor even a 1% chance at victory is because anything can happen in a fight. I've rooted against Floyd too many times just to see him dominate each fight & make his champion-level opponents look like a amateurs. My older brother & I are pretty much hoping for a double knockout but we're expecting Mayweather to cruise to an easy victory.

a reply to: enlightenedservant


You pretty much have the same viewpoint as I do. I cant stand Mayweather as a person but I've watched him beat everyone and in many cases, quite handily. Conor can possibly land a solid punch but it isn't like Mayweather has a glass jaw. The fact that this is boxing and squarely in Mayweather's skill set means I wont even bother paying for this or possibly even wasting my time watching.

I would take a Rocky II style ending but it's probably going to end up a unanimous victory for Mayweather if it even gets that far.