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DOJ Appoints Special Counsel In Russia Probe

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posted on May, 17 2017 @ 06:21 PM
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a reply to: Indigo5

I was thinking the Hanging Judge myself.




posted on May, 17 2017 @ 06:21 PM
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Finally.



posted on May, 17 2017 @ 06:23 PM
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Contrary to the language Democrats are using Mueller is a special counsel and NOT a special prosecutor. A Special Prosecutor comes about when crimes have been committed and someones being prosecuted.



posted on May, 17 2017 @ 06:23 PM
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originally posted by: carewemust

originally posted by: Xcathdra

originally posted by: carewemust
OMG..ANOTHER INVESTIGATION??? House and Senate committees just got royally bich-slapped!


Not really.. Their purpose is strictly oversight. They have no authority to bring charges. All they can do is refer their conclusion to the FBI for criminal charges.

Mueller has all the authority of a US attorney... So he can empanel a grand jury, use one already sitting, issue subpoenas, warrants etc.


Thank-you! So who will Mueller utilize to conduct this investigation... What personnel? Will he use the Senate/House/FBI files and findings, so as to not spend 10 months reinventing the wheel? Hope so!



Mueller gets to keep the FBI team currently working on it or pick and choose as well as add new members.
Traditionally they rent a separate DC Office.

He will have full, independent Subpoena powers and can follow any lead or avenue of the investigation he chooses.

He does have to lean on the FBI for resources, that would be the only potential bottle-neck.



posted on May, 17 2017 @ 06:24 PM
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Of course, folks should also keep in mind that this step was recommended by the same Rosenstein whose recommendations were a big final nail in Comey's coffin.



posted on May, 17 2017 @ 06:25 PM
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originally posted by: Indigo5

originally posted by: mtnshredder
What really ticks me off is the ungodly amount of tax dollars that is funding all this nonsense.




In the scheme of things, a small price to pay to find out if our President is a full on treasonous criminal or just dangerously stupid.



And that's the only two options you see? Hmmmmm K.......at least you're keeping an open mind.



posted on May, 17 2017 @ 06:26 PM
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a reply to: Indigo5

As far as resources go he has close to an unlimited budget and can request resources as he sees fit without having to play 20 rounds with why he needs he. He wants resources, he will get the resources. He does not answer to the DOJ nor the White House.



posted on May, 17 2017 @ 06:26 PM
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Trump statement out now. Pretty vague, looks forward to concluding this "quickly"

Safe to say, that's magical thinking and definitely not Trump's own words. LoL!
WH must be in hunker down mode. I wonder if he can make it through the night without a rage tweet? Also, Toobin just said Mueller could subpoena Trump's tax records. LMAO!
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posted on May, 17 2017 @ 06:26 PM
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originally posted by: Xcathdra
Contrary to the language Democrats are using Mueller is a special counsel and NOT a special prosecutor. A Special Prosecutor comes about when crimes have been committed and someones being prosecuted.


NOPE..

"Special Counsel" was a name change from "Special Prosecutor"...But same exact thing..



A special prosecutor (or special counsel or independent counsel) is a lawyer appointed to investigate and possibly prosecute a specific legal case of potential wrongdoing for which a conflict of interest exists for the usual prosecuting authority.

The terms "special prosecutor", "independent counsel" and "special counsel" have the same fundamental meaning, and their use (at least at the federal level in the U.S.) is generally differentiated by the time period to which they are being applied.

The term "special prosecutor" was used throughout the Watergate era, but was replaced by the less confrontational "independent counsel" in the 1983 reauthorization of the Ethics in Government Act

en.wikipedia.org...

Same thing


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posted on May, 17 2017 @ 06:29 PM
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Nope - A special prosecutor can do just that - prosecute.

While Mueller has the authority to bring charges he does not have the authority to prosecute his case. Secondly if you read what you quoted you would see there is a difference. Not sure how you missed it.
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posted on May, 17 2017 @ 06:31 PM
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originally posted by: kosmicjack
Trump statement out now. Pretty vague, looks forward this concluding this "quickly"

Definitely not Trump's own words. LoL!
WH must be in hunker down mode. I wonder if he can make it though the night without a rage tweet?


Reporting is that Rosenstein gave the WH a 1 hour notice before signing the papers on Special Counsel this afternoon.

Trump didn't see it coming...



posted on May, 17 2017 @ 06:32 PM
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a reply to: Indigo5

Why would he? It was Rods decision completely since the AG recused himself.



posted on May, 17 2017 @ 06:32 PM
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a reply to: Xcathdra

No, I am pretty sure it's an FBI investigation because the girl was in North Carolina while Weiner was in NY.

There are some articles referencing the FBI investigating the sexting case:

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posted on May, 17 2017 @ 06:35 PM
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originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: Indigo5

Nope - A special prosecutor can do just that - prosecute.

While Mueller has the authority to bring charges he does not have the authority to prosecute his case.


in 1983 with the re-authorization of the Ethics in Government Act, the "Special Prosecutor" was renamed "Special Counsel"..

I can see you are on the verge of a flat-earth bender...



The jurisdiction of a Special Counsel shall also include the authority to investigate and prosecute federal crimes committed in the course of, and with intent to interfere with, the Special Counsel's investigation, such as perjury, obstruction of justice, destruction of evidence, and intimidation of witnesses; and to conduct appeals arising out of the matter being investigated and/or prosecuted.

en.wikipedia.org...



As special counsel, Mueller will have the legal authority to prosecute crimes. (An independent commission, which some Democrats have also called for, would not.) However, Mueller can still be dismissed at any time by Rosenstein, who can in turn be dismissed by Trump.



As Vox’s Jennifer Williams explained, the special counsel “is appointed directly by the attorney general (not an independent three-judge panel, like before) and — this is the important part — is thus directly answerable to the attorney general.

This person can pursue criminal indictments in grand jury investigations, but the attorney general can fire them at any time and overrule any decisions they make when it comes to investigating or prosecuting the case.”

www.vox.com...

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posted on May, 17 2017 @ 06:38 PM
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Yeah that law no longer exists.. Only the AG (or Dep AG in this case since recusal was used) can appoint a special counsel. The authority is spelled out by the Dep AG in this case. Mueller can NOT prosecute, he can only bring the charges.

You hold on to that outdated info though if it makes you feel better.

Also you may want to use a source that is not anti Trump.
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posted on May, 17 2017 @ 06:40 PM
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Honestly, there are plenty of articles calling Mueller a Special Prosecutor.

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(There are others, too, if you want to google.)


Potato/Potahto


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posted on May, 17 2017 @ 06:41 PM
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originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: Indigo5

Yeah that law no longer exists.. Only the AG (or Dep AG in this case since recusal was used) can appoint a special counsel. The authority is spelled out by the Dep AG in this case. Mueller can NOT prosecute, he can only bring the charges.

You hold on to that outdated info though if it makes you feel better.


See my post above...all experts and lawyers disagree with you...

You are claiming something that reality debunks..



posted on May, 17 2017 @ 06:42 PM
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a reply to: avgguy

It didn't happen because of trump either.

Oh wait well in a way it did.



posted on May, 17 2017 @ 06:43 PM
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a reply to: Deny Arrogance

Bad news, bud. Special Counsel is the 21st century PC term for Special Prosecutor.

lol



posted on May, 17 2017 @ 06:43 PM
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Well, regardless of whether he can prosecute, can we all agree this is the best movefor the country?



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