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Tax the rich to fund a huge increase in spending on education and health care

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posted on May, 16 2017 @ 12:44 PM
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originally posted by: Shamrock6

originally posted by: whywhynot

originally posted by: dfnj2015

I wish Bernie won.


I'm pretty glad that he didn't win, we don't need a First Lady on trial for bank fraud.

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Hey come on, she was just trying to "redistribute" some money from people that had it to people she deemed in need of it. That's all.


I will say I won't judge her until she is found guilty, I don't know a lot of details on the case.

But I find it funny that those who want to redistribute wealth are often very wealthy themselves. The same with the environment, the ones loudest about climate change often live lavishly and contribute more to it than others.

Sp for Bernie to be living it up it his beautiful houses while I struggle to live in a garbage house to tell me how much I need to do is ridiculous.

I am so tired of these do as I say, not as I do wealthy people who pretend to be holier than thou.




posted on May, 16 2017 @ 12:48 PM
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originally posted by: Shamrock6

originally posted by: whywhynot

originally posted by: dfnj2015

I wish Bernie won.


I'm pretty glad that he didn't win, we don't need a First Lady on trial for bank fraud.

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Hey come on, she was just trying to "redistribute" some money from people that had it to people she deemed in need of it. That's all.


Good one, LOL. They are both regular Robin hoods, Bernie with his three homes and killer book deal that magically occurred after he dropped out of the primary and her with her "settlement " after decimating the financial health of the university where she was president.



posted on May, 16 2017 @ 12:50 PM
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a reply to: Grambler

Oh I'm certainly not judging her either, but the irony is entirely too rich to pass up on.

@ whywhynot - agreed! Good people to know, so long as it's not your money they're after I suppose.



posted on May, 16 2017 @ 12:56 PM
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Rich person 1: "Hey Bill (name of secretary), they just raised my taxes by 20%. Go ahead and bump the tuition costs by 25% and raise prices for fees and books as well."

Rich person 2: "Ok, I called this regency board meeting to figure out how to cut costs for the hospital because all of our taxes just skyrocketed. I was thinking that we would stop offering treatment other than for emergencies for insurance carriers and only take cash or cashier's checks. Also we need to downsize our payroll. We will increase shift times and fire everyone on third shift, put those pink slips out tomorrow. Ok, meeting adjourned."

Yeah, I just don't see that working out too well for anyone but the rich.



posted on May, 16 2017 @ 01:10 PM
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What happened to businesses training people to work and they used to pay them a decent wage while they were learning. It used to be that you would be up to full wage and up the ranks within five years when you worked somewhere and they had full benefits. Gee, now you have to go school and pay to learn for five years just to start at the bottom.

There are jobs where you do need specialized training to do the job, but that is only maybe about ten percent of the jobs out there. Most job training could be done by the business. I do not believe in those unpaid internships either, they have made that up to get free or cheap labor. An apprentice in the trades gets a living wage, why do these computer companies pay crap to their interns? This country has turned into a big scam, maybe the young should talk to their grandparents about how it used to be in the sixties and seventies, even the early eighties.

The new Technology employers are much worse than the factories that used to supply work to the people. Maybe this generation does not fathom that, they are happy when the technology company gives them a gym on site. Talk about brainwashed.



posted on May, 16 2017 @ 01:12 PM
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Bafflingly the people of England are going to vote for the party that is destroying the NHS and wrecking the economy instead. But go figure.



posted on May, 16 2017 @ 01:17 PM
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a reply to: rickymouse
Jordan Peterson (who I love) has an interesting podcast with Joe Rogan (one of the best I have seen)

In short he is a professor in Canada fighting their stupid gender pronoun laws.

He claims that eventually someone is going to come up with tests for all major job areas (engineering, accounting, biology, etc.) and this test will be hard enough that only a small amount of people can pass. If you pass, you are accredited.

Employers will know that because the test is so difficult, anyone who got accredited by passing it would have the skills needed for the job. This will eventually phase out universities, as people will be able to spend far less money to study to pass thios test. It will also weed out all of the hyper liberal indoctrination of universities today, and the give everyone an A mentality that exists in these schools.

It also has the advantage of allowing people to study relevant material for their career, instead of having to take liberal arts electives about how straight white men are evil.

Hopefully this system comes along sooner rather than later.



posted on May, 16 2017 @ 01:33 PM
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a reply to: Painterz

I hate the Tories with a passion but Corbyn is not the answer.
He's an open borders moron who forgets how mobile the rich folk are these days.
He claims to have costed all his proposals but I bet he hasn't factored in the additional costs of a larger population and a dwindling pool of rich people to tax.

Personally it will hurt me to vote for May but there is no realistic alternative.



posted on May, 16 2017 @ 01:37 PM
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a reply to: Grambler

That would work great, they could have free internet college classes and we already have lots of available information on the internet. The cost would be a fraction of the cost of sending somone to college. You can actually take tests to get accreditation here in some fields, they are not real degrees though. I can't remember what they are called off hand, it just means you know what you are doing. The problem is you might know what is on the tests and just study that, or like me, I study all sides of issues involved with medicines, food chemistry, and alternative medicines. Now which is right, all have relative properties and all have limited applications. I actually think some of the alternative chemistries are better with less side effects than the medicines, and I know lots of this crap.

But when it comes to a test, I would not do good because the only thing that medical is interested in is their version of reality, treating diseases, not curing diseases or preventing the disease form ever happening. All these are possible. WE do not even have to get sick.

So why would I want to take a test in medicine to get accredited when I am trying to find ways to make slight dietary adaptions to stop a person from getting sick at all?



posted on May, 16 2017 @ 01:39 PM
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a reply to: Tulpa



I hate the Tories with a passion but Corbyn is not the answer. He's an open borders moron who forgets how mobile the rich folk are these days. He claims to have costed all his proposals but I bet he hasn't factored in the additional costs of a larger population and a dwindling pool of rich people to tax. Personally it will hurt me to vote for May but there is no realistic alternative.


Could not agree more...this is pretty much word for word my exact opinion as it stands



posted on May, 16 2017 @ 02:07 PM
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originally posted by: Grambler
a reply to: rickymouse
Jordan Peterson (who I love) has an interesting podcast with Joe Rogan (one of the best I have seen)

In short he is a professor in Canada fighting their stupid gender pronoun laws.

He claims that eventually someone is going to come up with tests for all major job areas (engineering, accounting, biology, etc.) and this test will be hard enough that only a small amount of people can pass. If you pass, you are accredited.

Employers will know that because the test is so difficult, anyone who got accredited by passing it would have the skills needed for the job. This will eventually phase out universities, as people will be able to spend far less money to study to pass thios test. It will also weed out all of the hyper liberal indoctrination of universities today, and the give everyone an A mentality that exists in these schools.

It also has the advantage of allowing people to study relevant material for their career, instead of having to take liberal arts electives about how straight white men are evil.

Hopefully this system comes along sooner rather than later.


That will work until a minority group claims the test is biased...



posted on May, 16 2017 @ 02:11 PM
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originally posted by: Edumakated

originally posted by: Grambler
a reply to: rickymouse
Jordan Peterson (who I love) has an interesting podcast with Joe Rogan (one of the best I have seen)

In short he is a professor in Canada fighting their stupid gender pronoun laws.

He claims that eventually someone is going to come up with tests for all major job areas (engineering, accounting, biology, etc.) and this test will be hard enough that only a small amount of people can pass. If you pass, you are accredited.

Employers will know that because the test is so difficult, anyone who got accredited by passing it would have the skills needed for the job. This will eventually phase out universities, as people will be able to spend far less money to study to pass thios test. It will also weed out all of the hyper liberal indoctrination of universities today, and the give everyone an A mentality that exists in these schools.

It also has the advantage of allowing people to study relevant material for their career, instead of having to take liberal arts electives about how straight white men are evil.

Hopefully this system comes along sooner rather than later.


That will work until a minority group claims the test is biased...


So what, let them. The test will be privately owned and recieve no tax money unlike universities. If people want to claim its biased, leave them.

If the employers are happy with the employees they get as a result of hiring people that pass the test, they will keep hiring them.

The employers that are shamed into not using the test will get inferior employees and fail.



posted on May, 16 2017 @ 02:18 PM
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originally posted by: dfnj2015

originally posted by: Vasa Croe

originally posted by: dfnj2015
"The socialist leader of Britain's main opposition party wants to hike taxes on businesses and the rich to fund a huge increase in spending on education and health care."

"Britain's Bernie Sanders wants huge tax hike to make college free"

money.cnn.com...

I wish Bernie won. We need this in this country. America first! Time to close our 700+ foreign military bases and make our people better!

We need to stop straddling our students with so much debt. We need to take care of sick people because it's not like they are faking it.


I just don't understand the mindset of those that want to make taxation heavier on those that have made more money....


Taxes can't be too bad because every year the rich get richer and richer. Wealth inequality is at all time highs. Taxes need to be higher.



The facts simply do not support your way of thinking.


Rich get richer because they do things that rich people do. Poor people do things that make them poor. First world countries have never been more equitable. Class mobility is still very high. 90% of the people who are in the lower quintile of income don't stay there.

One can also argue that the poor have never been wealthier. Cell phones. Clothing. Air conditioning. Cars. Televisions. Food. Most of the "poor" in America live better than the upper middle and wealthy in many countries. There isn't a poor person in America who lives in the type of squalor you'd find in say a favela in South America.

Capital is fluid. Taxing the wealthy never works. The truly wealthy will find ways to hide their money and assets. Usually what happens is you burden the working rich or upper middle class - doctors, lawyers, managers, etc. There is a world of difference between say a Partner at a law firm or a surgeon making $750,000/yr working 70-80 hours a week and a billionaire or even an actor making $20 million a movie. Both are certainly part of the one percent but neither has anything in common.

Our government collects enough so that we could have healthcare for all but we spend way too much money on other stuff. We can't subsidize illegal immigration. We spend too much fighting wars and playing police force around the world. We pay too much money out to other countries for no good reason.

Most people don't mind paying taxes. The issue is seeing our money get pissed away by the government. My household income is typically in the 1 to 1.5% range. We don't live extravagently and make all kinds of sacrifices. To have pissants saying I am not paying enough when I already pay about 40% of my income in various taxes is ridiculous especially when half the population already isn't paying any income taxes.

We have way too many takers and not enough makers.



posted on May, 16 2017 @ 02:22 PM
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Trump goes against the grain and has a hard time getting any support to get things done, but hey, Bernie wouldn't have that problem. Lol

And how do you expect the rich to pay for all this when everybody says the rich don't pay taxes?
Wouldn't this just be another tax they don't pay?



posted on May, 16 2017 @ 02:43 PM
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originally posted by: Grambler

originally posted by: Edumakated

originally posted by: Grambler
a reply to: rickymouse
Jordan Peterson (who I love) has an interesting podcast with Joe Rogan (one of the best I have seen)

In short he is a professor in Canada fighting their stupid gender pronoun laws.

He claims that eventually someone is going to come up with tests for all major job areas (engineering, accounting, biology, etc.) and this test will be hard enough that only a small amount of people can pass. If you pass, you are accredited.

Employers will know that because the test is so difficult, anyone who got accredited by passing it would have the skills needed for the job. This will eventually phase out universities, as people will be able to spend far less money to study to pass thios test. It will also weed out all of the hyper liberal indoctrination of universities today, and the give everyone an A mentality that exists in these schools.

It also has the advantage of allowing people to study relevant material for their career, instead of having to take liberal arts electives about how straight white men are evil.

Hopefully this system comes along sooner rather than later.


That will work until a minority group claims the test is biased...


So what, let them. The test will be privately owned and recieve no tax money unlike universities. If people want to claim its biased, leave them.

If the employers are happy with the employees they get as a result of hiring people that pass the test, they will keep hiring them.

The employers that are shamed into not using the test will get inferior employees and fail.


That test already exists to some degree. Most people just don't realize it. This is why the wealthy and upper middle class focus on gaining acceptances to top universities. Going to certain schools and universities acts as a recruiting screen for employers. The opportunities you get coming out of Harvard or similar schools are vastly different than a community college.

Most jobs don't require college but when you have more supply than positions then you can be choosy.

Our public school system needs to address the supply imbalance of college students but the issue is that liberals are so enamored with college, they can't understand not everyone should be going. They've created this culture where white collar jobs are perceived to better than blue collar or trades positions.



posted on May, 16 2017 @ 02:44 PM
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The top 20% of earners in this country already pay almost 90% of the taxes while the bottom 60% pays less than 4%. If the top 20% are considered “rich” (most of them are not), how much more should they pay in taxes to fund liberal programs?

We’re already reeling from leftist boondoggles like the Great Society, and most recently, the massively-failed Obamacare scheme. We have set a future generation up for a massive financial default that will bring down the entire economic system on this planet. I’ll be dead, but my guess is that happens somewhere around 2075 – 2100.

Almost like it was planned long ago…

I have written about this several times before, but it’s worth repeating again. Many of the people the Left thinks are “rich” are really just small business owners who have to maintain a certain balance sheet to stay in business.

In my case, I am in land development. If the net value of my LLC and personal net worth isn’t adequate to leverage against the cost of a project, I cannot obtain favorable financing to do that work.

If that “wealth” were confiscated by the liberal thieves who seem to think they can lay claim to what is not theirs, I would not be able to do what I do, and that would cost dozens of contractors – themselves small business owners – work and opportunities they need to stay in business.

Of course, I’m a relatively little fish in a big pond. There are billion dollar corporations who do big projects worth tens of millions at a time. But I provide something most of them don’t: about 60% of the property I develop is converted to single family home sites purchased by local builders, themselves small business owners.

This is the reality of the relationship between business, capital, and the economic activity that spurs growth and jobs that the liberal thieves never get.



posted on May, 16 2017 @ 02:58 PM
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a reply to: Vasa Croe

You understand what you just opened the door for ... right?

If some moron can eat crap all his life and sue McDs for his bad eating habits, then someone can get shot and sue the gun manufacturer too, someone can get run over and sue the car manufacturer, etc.



posted on May, 16 2017 @ 03:11 PM
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a reply to: rickymouse

Part of it is that we have spent so much time pushing college that now a college degree has become a pre-req like your high school diploma used to be.



posted on May, 16 2017 @ 03:51 PM
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originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: rickymouse

Part of it is that we have spent so much time pushing college that now a college degree has become a pre-req like your high school diploma used to be.


I would rather train a high school graduate to work than a college graduate. Although I haven't tried a new graduate, maybe they are just as smart now as people out of high school are. I find the attitude of these college graduates unappropriate for a construction worker, they seem to make things way harder than they are. They are trained to make things complicated.

I trained quite a few workers in my life, some college graduates, some high school graduates, some were even seventeen years old, on summer break from high school. Hiring school kids has always been a little complicated, I actually quit having the underage kids about twenty years ago, my workers comp became an issue with the younger kids. I had two kids, one each summer, they were really eager to work. I only had them part time, usually on jobs where it was all ground work like decks and first floor window replacement and runner boys for siding and soffit.

People must be getting dumber now since they need to pay for four years of college to do work now instead of being capable of work right out of high school.

edit on 16-5-2017 by rickymouse because: (no reason given)



posted on May, 16 2017 @ 03:55 PM
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a reply to: rickymouse

You aren't the only one noticing the attitude of new college grads. Husband has been noticing and he's in corporate America.

They have what are called "max objective" meetings where you are supposed to meet and work out goals to achieve professionally in the coming year to help achieve your raise and bonus percentages, and most grads are uninterested because they don't see how it helps them get more money right away.




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