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originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: Indigo5
You don't need much imagination to understand what these two guys are thinking..
Yet that's all you have.
originally posted by: UKTruth
originally posted by: Indigo5
originally posted by: desert
a reply to: D8Tee
Israel. Yes, that now seems to be the case. Love 'em or 'not, one does not f*** with Israeli intelligence.
Israeli Official: Trump Sharing Intelligence With Russia Is "Worst Fears Confirmed"
www.buzzfeed.com...
"Israeli official"... "buzzfeed".
Liberals trying to regain some some credibility. hint.. it's too late.
originally posted by: UKTruth
originally posted by: Indigo5
originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
Meanwhile, classified information leaked by unelected bureaucrats, unaccountable, unelected ...
Oh wait.....So it was classified? I thought Trump was sticking with the story that legally, when he shares something it becomes un-classified...classification authority and all..
ya know...Classified when he shared it...not after he shared it and the debacle was leaked to the press?
But hell..I will go with your reasoning. That means Trump should be charged under the Espionage Act, like any congress person would be if they had done the same while chatting with the Russians.
The President is not bound by classification. A leaker is. Simple to understand.
originally posted by: Indigo5
originally posted by: UKTruth
originally posted by: Indigo5
originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
Meanwhile, classified information leaked by unelected bureaucrats, unaccountable, unelected ...
Oh wait.....So it was classified? I thought Trump was sticking with the story that legally, when he shares something it becomes un-classified...classification authority and all..
ya know...Classified when he shared it...not after he shared it and the debacle was leaked to the press?
But hell..I will go with your reasoning. That means Trump should be charged under the Espionage Act, like any congress person would be if they had done the same while chatting with the Russians.
The President is not bound by classification. A leaker is. Simple to understand.
???
That was an odd thing to make up.
Yes a President is bound by classification.
He can also declassify anything he likes at any time.
He can not share one thing publicly (or with the Russians) on a whim ...but at the same time decide anyone else who repeats it can be prosecuted.
Intel is either classified or it is not. Can't be both.
Trump can maintain that the intel he shared is not classified, cuz he is the President and shared it.
Or he can claim it remains classified and he shared it with the Russians.
The latter would make him guilty of Espionage.
Since he chose to declassify it by sharing it with the Russians...the leakers were not leaking classified information.
originally posted by: Indigo5
originally posted by: UKTruth
originally posted by: Indigo5
originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
Meanwhile, classified information leaked by unelected bureaucrats, unaccountable, unelected ...
Oh wait.....So it was classified? I thought Trump was sticking with the story that legally, when he shares something it becomes un-classified...classification authority and all..
ya know...Classified when he shared it...not after he shared it and the debacle was leaked to the press?
But hell..I will go with your reasoning. That means Trump should be charged under the Espionage Act, like any congress person would be if they had done the same while chatting with the Russians.
The President is not bound by classification. A leaker is. Simple to understand.
???
That was an odd thing to make up.
Yes a President is bound by classification.
He can also declassify anything he likes at any time.
He can not share one thing publicly (or with the Russians) on a whim ...but at the same time decide anyone else who repeats it can be prosecuted.
Intel is either classified or it is not. Can't be both.
Trump can maintain that the intel he shared is not classified, cuz he is the President and shared it.
Or he can claim it remains classified and he shared it with the Russians.
The latter would make him guilty of Espionage.
Since he chose to declassify it by sharing it with the Russians...the leakers were not leaking classified information.
originally posted by: dragonridr
originally posted by: Indigo5
originally posted by: UKTruth
originally posted by: Indigo5
originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
Meanwhile, classified information leaked by unelected bureaucrats, unaccountable, unelected ...
Oh wait.....So it was classified? I thought Trump was sticking with the story that legally, when he shares something it becomes un-classified...classification authority and all..
ya know...Classified when he shared it...not after he shared it and the debacle was leaked to the press?
But hell..I will go with your reasoning. That means Trump should be charged under the Espionage Act, like any congress person would be if they had done the same while chatting with the Russians.
The President is not bound by classification. A leaker is. Simple to understand.
???
That was an odd thing to make up.
Yes a President is bound by classification.
He can also declassify anything he likes at any time.
He can not share one thing publicly (or with the Russians) on a whim ...but at the same time decide anyone else who repeats it can be prosecuted.
Intel is either classified or it is not. Can't be both.
Trump can maintain that the intel he shared is not classified, cuz he is the President and shared it.
Or he can claim it remains classified and he shared it with the Russians.
The latter would make him guilty of Espionage.
Since he chose to declassify it by sharing it with the Russians...the leakers were not leaking classified information.
Wrong the president can decide what is called need to know. He deemed the Russians needed to know he didn't decide the press did.
The President is not bound by classification. A leaker is.
originally posted by: UKTruth
originally posted by: Indigo5
originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
Meanwhile, classified information leaked by unelected bureaucrats, unaccountable, unelected ...
Oh wait.....So it was classified? I thought Trump was sticking with the story that legally, when he shares something it becomes un-classified...classification authority and all..
ya know...Classified when he shared it...not after he shared it and the debacle was leaked to the press?
But hell..I will go with your reasoning. That means Trump should be charged under the Espionage Act, like any congress person would be if they had done the same while chatting with the Russians.
The President is not bound by classification. A leaker is. Simple to understand.
Glad you are at least focused on the real story though - even the staunchest liberals are embarrassed over this latest bout of fake news.
originally posted by: reaganero
originally posted by: UKTruth
originally posted by: Indigo5
originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
Meanwhile, classified information leaked by unelected bureaucrats, unaccountable, unelected ...
Oh wait.....So it was classified? I thought Trump was sticking with the story that legally, when he shares something it becomes un-classified...classification authority and all..
ya know...Classified when he shared it...not after he shared it and the debacle was leaked to the press?
But hell..I will go with your reasoning. That means Trump should be charged under the Espionage Act, like any congress person would be if they had done the same while chatting with the Russians.
The President is not bound by classification. A leaker is. Simple to understand.
Glad you are at least focused on the real story though - even the staunchest liberals are embarrassed over this latest bout of fake news.
fake news. Nothing to see here comrades.
originally posted by: AnonyMason
a reply to: UKTruth
The President is not bound by classification. A leaker is.
You say that. But was it not the President himself who just leaked classified intelligence to an adversary?
Russia is not an ally in the fight with ISIS. They fight ISIS for different reasons. Usually to support Assad.
McMaster: There are no leaks.
Trump: Definitely leaks.
McMaster: No harm done.
Israel: Definitely harm done.
Are we seeing a pattern here?
WASHINGTON — Intelligence showing that the Islamic State is developing a bomb hidden in portable electronics spurred the United States and Britain on Tuesday to bar passengers from airports in a total of 10 Muslim-majority countries from carrying laptop computers, iPads and other devices larger than a cellphone aboard direct inbound flights, two senior American counterterrorism officials said.
originally posted by: MysticPearl
Sharing intelligence, classified or not, is not espionage. That's one of the dumbest statement I've ever read on ATS.
Governments share classified intelligence every damn day with one another across the globe. Think is CIA and MI6 don't share classified info on terrorism?
This whole discussion and MSM talking point is beyond foolish. It's no different than when Obama shared classified intelligence with Russia on Syria. Standard operating procedure. This just once again boils down to "I hate Trump".
originally posted by: MysticPearl
Sharing intelligence, classified or not, is not espionage. That's one of the dumbest statement I've ever read on ATS.
Governments share classified intelligence every damn day with one another across the globe. Think is CIA and MI6 don't share classified info on terrorism?
This whole discussion and MSM talking point is beyond foolish. It's no different than when Obama shared classified intelligence with Russia on Syria. Standard operating procedure. This just once again boils down to "I hate Trump".
originally posted by: AnonyMason
a reply to: UKTruth
Except that we aren't a democracy.
Colin Kahl, former Vice President Joseph Biden’s national security adviser, and Hal Brands, former special assistant to the secretary of defense for strategic planning, wrote last February in Foreign Policy that Russia’s “overarching goal, and one that it has been fairly successful in achieving, is to fortify the Assad regime in power and thereby protect Russia’s strategic position in Syria and the broader Middle East.”
Jim Townsend, Obama’s former deputy assistant secretary of defense for European and NATO policy, told me he adamantly disagreed with the current administration’s belief that Moscow would be willing to become a more energetic partner in the ISIS fight. “NO!!!!!” he said in a written exchange with me after I asked whether if Russia is an ally in the anti-ISIS fight. “Whatever they do against ISIS is done to protect themselves or to support Assad,” he said. “It's a different kind of fight for them.”
In a press statement, Sen. John McCain (R-AZ), the chair of the Senate Armed Services Committee, said, “the time President Trump spent sharing sensitive information with the Russians was time he did not spend focusing on Russia’s aggressive behavior” or stopping its “slaughter of innocent civilians and targeting of hospitals in Syria.”